2011-03-20, 16:44 | Link #3326 |
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Yeah I know he may "die" as in visit Aijmu but that in itself is strange. How exactly is he going to "die" will he just suddenly collasp, will Medaka follow him etc. I mean we're assuming he needs to die in order to visit her which may not neccessarily be the case.
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2011-03-20, 17:00 | Link #3327 | |
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There are 4 new series that aren't currently ranked in the magazine atm so where those 3 manga truly stand is a bit deceptive until the new ones are properly placed. They still exist? Its not really that big a deal especially considering neither Medaka or Zenkichi has a real concept of what romantic love is and more than one character has mentioned it before.
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2011-03-20, 17:07 | Link #3328 |
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Guys we're assuming she want her power back but as far as we know there may be other reasons why she told him to come back to her.
I mean if you think about sha have given a minus to Kumagawa but has taken his original minus Same when she return his original minus back to him. But with Zen she not taken anything from him for give him those eyes ...ok he had lost his view again kumagawa but is still strange. |
2011-03-20, 17:08 | Link #3329 |
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zenkichi after his meeting with ajimu completely forgot what happened, and so he should not remember the request to return after the council battle
but dieing again so soon after he already died not so long ago... he's becoming more unlucky? |
2011-03-20, 17:19 | Link #3330 | |
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umm he remebered just fine. Why do you think he doesn't like using his eyes. It's because he knows they aren't his. |
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2011-03-20, 17:50 | Link #3332 |
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I took what Zenkichi's mom said a different way. They've been together so long that they don't really see things as getting in the way of that. Zen's response to Emukae about eating her miso soup meant just that and only that because he doesn't consider anyone but Medaka. Medaka's response was just her typical jealousy over anyone monopolizing Zenkichi's time other than herself. Though of course that seems different then a romantic love for sure but I don't see what either Medaka or Kumagawa said to be romantic love either.
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Anyway Kumagawa's was probably romatic love since it was essentially the whole love turning to hate and hate turning to love. You could probably say the same for Medaka although it could also be intrepretated as loving humanity. Either way Zenkichi made the most lasting impression on Medaka and is probably the only person you could say was somewhat close to being truly in love, since he was the reason she is the way she is. You could probably call Kumagawa Medaka's first "love" whereas Zenkichi is Medaka's life long "love". Hence Why Kumagawa is pissed at Zenkichi since he essentially stole her away from him. She was given a choice between their ideals and versions of how she should think and she chose Zenkichi. Thinking about I wonder what would happen to Medaka if Zenkichi suddenly stopped believing that her existence in life was to help others. I mean that belief is the sole reason why she is why she is and without it she starts to crumble and doubt herself which is what happened with Medaka II as she was only brought back because of that belief. Without it, does seem to have that much self assurance as she wouldn't have stopped being Medaka II by herself. Wow... I just realised Medaka is so dependent on Zenkichi it's not even funny. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2011-03-20 at 18:16. |
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2011-03-20, 18:40 | Link #3334 | |
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Kumagawa and anyone else will never be the primary male over Zenkichi, I was joking about him being permanent. Also Kumagawa without All-Fiction is still very different from Miyakonojou Oudo so to say that they aren't any better than each other is a disservice to both characters. Their personalities and motives are what define them, not that they both happened to be at odds with Medaka. The "pairings" take a backseat to the majority of the other things going on in this series. Too much attention gets paid to something that is often used for humor or gets a serious mention a handful of times in the manga. Fans were already "pissed off" more than once with this series so its not like anything has changed in that regards. This isn't primarily a romance manga and no pairing is going to be the primary thing that buries it. I've mentioned this before but I could care less who ends up with who pairing-wise. I just get a kick out of seeing the fandom reaction whenever something screws with their golden boy.
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2011-03-21, 00:50 | Link #3335 | |
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2011-03-21, 01:35 | Link #3336 |
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Zen is a boring character and was nowhere near medaka in the character poll.... Lol @ the thought of his fanboys being mad getting the manga in trouble... I really doubt nisio cares about the rankings when it's selling well and is going to more than likely be the next jump anime.
If they wrap this arc up soon I bet an anime will be announced shortly after... Last edited by Westlo; 2011-03-21 at 08:09. |
2011-03-21, 06:54 | Link #3337 |
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I'm still all for Zenkichi leaving Medaka's side and finding his own path, hopefully an evil path, so he can develop as a character. But I came across something interesting while re-reading the last few chapters.
I'm not sure if I have this right, but here goes. When Misogi lost "Book Maker" after killing Ajimu he gained "Hundred Gauntlets". Which, after three years of development, changed into "All-Fiction". So it looks like as the nature of a Minus changes, their power changes too. Imagine Zenkichi, with his "Parasite Seeing". He's a Normal, so I'd say he's probably closer to the mindset of a Minus rather than Plus Abnormal. As most Normal people tend to fail more often than they succeed. Especially in Zenkichi's case, trying his best to protect the one person in the world who is closest to absolute perfection. Constantly being told he's not good enough to be by her side. Being called weak, feeling useless. He'd probably come closer to understanding a Minus because he's been there at some point. Just to to the full extent that a Minus has. If a power can change depending on the mentality of the person who possess it, Imagine what could happen to Zenkichi. He could develop the Abnormality Ajimu gave him into a Minus. Just a thought. |
2011-03-21, 07:39 | Link #3338 | |
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Now if what you suggested came true, and I must admit it seems very possible given the current events. I should not wonder if Zen becomes like Ajimu just that he going to tends more in the minus side. Of course,I not mean that he would have all the abnormalities that Ajimu have, but that the Abnormality that Ajimu gave to him change in order to have both plus and minus, while one eye continues to do its normal function that "Parasite Seeing" have(plus the side)and the other one (the minus side) will have the power to make real the fears of the opponent or to hit the weak point of the opponent. In any case one thing Im fairly sure and is (and Im going to believe this as long the manga itself do not deny this)ithat Zen will be the true final boss of Medaka box . But if is beacuse he becomes evil or just because it creates a third faction that want to stop this war between plus and minus that remains to be seen. Last edited by Soji; 2011-03-21 at 10:27. |
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2011-03-21, 12:25 | Link #3339 | |
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this about the: ability --> understanding --> personality while you seem to only consider the personality --> ability side of it what i'm saying, i think the ability(if he keeps it) will change zen before he can change the ability and what i think the ability lead to is a being who understand all of others and is immune to misunderstandings, which i think is more plus like |
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2011-03-21, 14:13 | Link #3340 | ||
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Especially when its clear that he is the stagnant one and is never going to change/develop into anything I want to see on panel for an extended period of time. Thats been my one knock on this arc if I had to name one. There was far more panel time for Zenkichi. I guess thats only fair though since Medaka's character was heavily developed in the last arc. She's been developed in this one too but not with loads of panel time to match it. And that brings me to my final point, despite the increased showtime he got he is still as boring as before. It took the likes of Kumagawa, Emukae, Hitomi, and Ajimu to make anything going on with him interesting. Stuff mostly just happens to him and I don't care to see Zenkichi being dragged along by the characters that are actually interesting. I can deal with that though because the likes of the characters I named above along with Hinokage and the other Minus make this arc(and manga) entertaining. Quote:
It would be a good spot for the announcement. Just that the series being so condensed in a lot of ways makes me hope that Nishio would have some input on the anime and expand on some things that weren't explored in the manga.
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