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Lacus didn't earn any reputation as a young politician, if ever, she earned a reputation as the leader of a rebel alliance, which is not the way for one to be trying to earn his way into the political big league, isn't it? She never showed any political magic, just some of her Lacus dust spiels. Lacus dust spiels NOT political magic. It takes more than pixy dust to make entire political systems go crashing down just for the hell of it. Unfortunately, most of the so- called "politicians" in the CE universe are just as dumb as the populace who elected them. Quote:
I'd rather be with psychotic, angsty types. They're much more interesting to be friends with. And besides, it's boring to be with the same friend who always stared at the sea for 2 long years... Quote:
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How could you seriously change the world when you try to correct every single person you meet on the street for doing the "wrong" thing to do something?! And contradicting yourself at that, saying they were fighting for freedom, but actually they're fighting so that they could get a hold on the entire universe themselves? A universe that actually kowtows to their every whim? And when they find someone who was doing something "wrong" against what their views as "right", they instantly proclaim him as an evil parasite/beast/whatever that deserves to be cleansed and punished for going against their Infinite God and Goddesshood?! Dullindal's descent to the Dark Side was very badly done, and all those you stated were only revealed to be the truth in magazine interviews and never were shown explicitly in the series. Quote:
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It was but since I never said anything in it I would like to make a short list of what happened that made GSD plopped and why it sucked so badly -Poor writing (blame director's wify for that) -The constant one-sidedness made for poor quality battles. Such as the Windam/Shinn engagments and the Three ships alliance victory -So much time wasted on clip shows and flashbacks -Main charecter switch halveway in the series was quite stupid and unproffesional and even halve-assed. I couldn't even tell if Shinn was the main charecter or not -Usage of recycled animation -The way overpowered gundams There are others but those are some of the main reasons |
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IMHO, GSD failed as a Gundam series because it is basically 12 phase of actual story telling and 30 over phases of fan service.
If Fukuda actually had the guts to kill off a member of the old cast from GS, it might stir things up a little and things might actually have gotten more interesting. But rather, the new cast was tossed aside as named grunts and somebody who seemingly died in GS was brought back from the dead. Yuck! But I still think the 1st 12 phases of GSD was good. If things had gone down another direction from there, it might have turned out to be a better series than GS. |
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GSD pretty much lacked direction, it seemed like the writer had a great idea at the start then suddenly changed it, but didnt work so threw together something to make the deadline......
besides the points that Headspace mentioned another thing that really killed it for me was the fact that there was no meaningful character interaction. Not just between the new caste and old but also among the new caste. the caste was so loosely linked that even if one of them died he/she can be replaced by some no name face and life will go on. Not to mention that some character interactions seem to disappear in the next ep, like when Athrun was talking to Shinn up on the deck of the Minerva after he decked Shinn for disobeying orders. |
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@ Eidolon sniper: A LOT of people earn reputations from changing things from when they were rebels. How about this name: Menachem Begin...
Prime minister of Israel, former rebel against the instated British government there, and to pay hommage to WD's arguments, former selective terrorist, responsible for the bombing on the king david hotel. Still not convinced? George Washington. People liked Lacus Clyne because of her father's reputation. She rode that and built upon that. Psychotic friends are not interesting. They are scary and I would rather distance myself from them. And no, just because I said there are some people that I would relate to Kira doesn't mean they stare at the sea for two years, but moreso, have that gentle demeanor about them that makes you want to be friends with them. Athrun talked to Shinn quite a few times. Episode 16 he tried. Nothing happened really...then after Athrun was shot down, what position did he have to talk to Shinn from? When in Justice, Athrun DID a lot of talking with Shinn. Shinn didn't believe ANY of it until Athrun stopped him from killing the one last living person he cared about. And in the end, guess what? Athrun was right, because if Athrun was wrong, and Luna would have died...well...that'd really suck, wouldn't it? Lacus and Kira trying to get a hold on the entire universe? Hence why Lacus went back to the orphanage and tried to live a completely no-profile lifestyle. Yeah..................right. That's why Kira was sitting on a rocking chair instead of flying around in the Freedom. How can they go against Lacus if she takes no power to begin with? Lacus has always been a more passive type, just providing the tools to the people that will use the tools. She built Kira and Athrun the gundams and let them use the gundams to their hearts' content. Tell me one instance that Lacus gave a direct order to ANYONE she was close with. In fact, when has Lacus EVER said "I am right."? When Patrick Zala wanted to annihilate all naturals? Stir the people up, make them think, okay. Saying "this is the way I do things, and if you don't do it my way, I will bury you?" When has she said that? Oh, and about Durandall...Kira just said "let's not jump headfirst into his alliance, remember that they sent coordinators to kill Lacus" though later, even Kira was doubting his own thoughts, thinking "what if Durandall really is a swell guy and it was just some assholes that wanted to kill Lacus?" A story with all characters being Mary Sues? I had to rewrite it the first go-around due to one of my female leads (my leads are two females) being essentially flawless. Not that I mind someone like Lacus as a main character. She's much better to me than Relena "come kill me Heero" and "the inept princess that surrenders ten minutes before her brother arrives in the wing zero" Peacecraft ever was. Shinn acting doubtful? Great...then he believes complete and utter nonsense. "Athrun and Meyrin escaped to try and defect to LOGOS and blow Operation Ragnarok by giving them Destiny and Legend's specifications and the strategy of Operation Ragnarok!" "Oh." And then when Shinn finally DOES see Athrun above Orb, in THE JUSTICE, NO LESS, he's STILL saying that Athrun betrayed them even though if he had any knowledge of the previous war, he'd know that Athrun was one of the key players in bringing the war to an END. Yep, he's sure thinking there. He was ready to run Lunamaria through with Destiny's palm cannon. Yep, real thinking going on there. The first time Shinn REALLY thought about things while seeing the ENTIRE picture is after Athrun finally figuratively smacked him in the head with the biggest stop sign he can find. By junking Shinn's Destiny Gundam. It was then and only then, when Shinn came off of his power trip of having a powerful gundam at his fingertips was he finally able to just cool off, look at the big picture, both from being that little kid on the ground, to being the nightmare of the most powerful men in existence, to once again, being that one guy on the ground, looking at the world objectively again. In fact, it's ironic, because when Shinn finally actually took the time to think without Darth Gichou controlling his mind, he was able to prove Athrun right when Athrun said that Shinn was worth believing in, and that the guy was fighting for the same dream as the rest of the Clyne Faction. Sure, perhaps the ending WAS a bit of a putdown to Shinn's character throughout the series that he simply takes Kira's hand and says "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full, sir", (I would have written it as Shinn taking Kira's hand, but just saying that while they may be fighting for the same thing, there is still some issues that he still has not settled). but on the plus side, Shinn finally gets to see EVERYTHING. Not just "Freedom is bad, kill it! Justice is bad, kill it!" "Durandall is right! Big Brother Gichou is the only way!" that Rey O'Brien was just filling his head with. And as for Diana >>> Lacus thing, Diana was popular for the same reasons Lacus is: her beauty and charisma. In fact, somehow, I think it was Destiny that Diana had to go X_X. Because she indeed WAS a living Mary Sue. And no, Gil wasn't really evil (I was waiting to reserve that judgment until ep 36) until Fukuda just trashed his character along with the rest of the new cast. |
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GSD tanked for any of the reasons stated here. It had a lot of potential going in; new cast, new situation, how that all connected with the old cast. I even thought the changes they'd made to the old cast, specifically Cagalli and Athrun, weren't so bad, writing it all off as, "Oh, they just survived a war and now they just want to go back to their everyday lives." Or something to that extent.
I questioned the reintroduction of Kira, though, if, for nothing else, his position as the "Ultimate Coordinator" (aka "Uber 1337 pilot") would've thrown off the balance of the whole series. Ultimate = best = no way Shinn could outdo him, or at least, Shinn couldn't, initially. But this whole series tanked for me the moment they shifted the focus from Shinn to Kira. I'd gotten used to the idea that, while Shinn was a bit of an arrogant little prick, he was the main character and that he'd evolve into someone worth respecting. (I actually disliked Kira at first because he struck me as an angsty wimp for the first, oh, 20 or so episodes of GS. But he changed, grew a backbone, and became more respectable in my eyes.) Shinn never got that. The writers seemed to have just scrapped his importance in GSD halfway through the series, at which point, he became an afterthought. Apparently, the writer thought it'd be easier to leave him as Durindal's pawn. But even that paled to them bringing back Mwu. That was just . . . no. It made his "death scene" in GS seem really cheap now. And what about the EA? With the ability to make a ship like the Phantom Pain in the beginning, you'd imagine there'd be more possibilities with that; more opportunities for combat, and of course, to let Shinn shine as the main character. But the only time he really "shines" is in his 1v1 against Kira, and his "signature move" (his charge attack with the sword with Destiny) strikes me as rather bland. That said, couldn't the EA have put up a tougher fight? At the very least, they would've been capable of some very nasty sneak attacks . . . but no, they just wag their tails and lap up Dulindal's little speech about LOGOS being at fault. And the ending . . . my goodness. A friend of mine asked me about the ending of GSD when I'd told him I'd finished watching it. I told him, "If you've seen the end of GS, you've seen the end of GSD." That ending rather lackluster. I was expecting, at the very least, a nice casualty list at the end of that, especially in the "lead cast" area. But their hesitance to kill off cast members bothers me, especially considering how willing they were to do it in GS. And don't get me started on the mecha designs. Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice is really not all that different from their slightly less beefy counterparts, and SF really struck me as an exercise in, "How many guns can we fit on this mecha design?". Legend was basically a rebuild of Providence, at least, externally the two are (more or less) identical. Destiny is effectively a mash of the Impulse equipment sets with increased speed and damage output. And the Akatsuki? While the enemy beam reflection idea is a new gimmick they threw in, as is the protective shield it can create, it's really no different than the Aile Strike, or the Strike Rouge, for that matter. (And besides, it's Cagalli's mech . . . what the heck were they thinking when they decided that Mwu should end up with it?!) I could go on, but I think this means I oughtta rewatch GSD and come up with a fanfic rewrite of it . . . starting with Shinn staying as the main character. ~ Kurama no Miko2003 |
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Then that'd make her really useless then. Thanks for proving my point. Quote:
And if you're someone who'd rather not try talking to a person with such problems and attitudes when underneath all that arrogant, WTF behavior is an actual person crying out for help and isn't asking for more hell than what he's actually experiencing right now...then I can't do anything about it. Quote:
Shinn actually wanted to hear something from Athrun because he actually respected Athrun. Shinn was the one who brought Athrun back to his old self again (well, the start of it anyway) when he talked to Athrun after the Savioring incident. And if you say a couple of sentences is long enough for Shinn to actually understand what Athrun was trying to say in the last 49 episodes...yeah right. Remember the long silence, one liners, and Dully and Rey's poisoning. There's not much a couple of sentences could actually do against this. Which is why Kira's mind raping of Rey is also . Quote:
There's nothing that a mere piece of paper or a talk with all the leaders of the universe could do about what has happened. People are scarred from this war, and the people who caused this war, or took part in this war, should try their best, work for what they had actually tried to accomplish in the last war, and not take some time off in a deserted island saying that she only wanted a no-profile lifestyle, or deserve a break to be with a zombiefied person, or because she just wants to live a completely normal life. The reason why GSD happened is because Lacus ALLOWED it to happen. And that, my friend, is such a big to your belief that Lacus is an actual politician who, above all things personal and whatever, should KNOW that she is needed because the war wasn't really resolved at all. And in she goes back to her full Goddesshood glory like she never really was the cause of all the shit that has happened in GSD, then fights off an "evil" madman, then declares herself Empress and Goddess of the entire universe. She didn't want to take the power? She didn't want to take power with 2 demigods at her side and a powerful country to which she allied herself with at her beck and call? Lacus never wanted any power? That's about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Quote:
Lacus never actually has to say that she is right, because she is already right, and if Fukuda says Lacus is right, then she is right, ditto with all her rabid fanatical supporters, and to the rest of the dumb populace of the CE universe. And besides, her demigods are so intoxicated with her Lacus dust that is why they strike down whoever is in her way of achieving total universal domination. Think about it. Quote:
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Shinn was like "No WAY!" "Athrun?! Meyrin?!" "WHY?!?!?!". He wasn't like, "Oh, OK, all I have to do is kill them off, right?" after he flew off from Carpentaria Base on his spanking new Destiny Gundam. That was just a very retarded thing Dully did, and so adds to my disbelief that Dully's descent to the Dark Side is so badly done. He was questioning Rey, Rey wasn't saying anything, Athrun was trying to talk to Shinn, but Dully and Rey's poisoning already took full effect, and so Shinn decides to stab the blue Gouf or Zaku right through the middle to end Athrun's mindless blabbering. Remember that Athrun was acting so suspicious lately, Shinn was so let down by his performance against the invincible Freedom (which is invincible no more) and he so respected Athrun that is why he was so let down, and Athrun decides to make a run for it without even giving any explanation whatsoever to his other comrades aboard the Minerva (most especially Shinn since I actually felt that Athrun was very worried about him because he knew Shinn was just a misguided soul) which is actual treachery to ZAFT, because Athrun re-enlisted into ZAFT to begin with. Quote:
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Lacus, sadly, doesn't have any of that sort, because you so admitted yourself that she only had her father's name as her passport to being well loved by the people. But she has Lacus dust, which is far more potent than any expert PR man out there on the face if the entire universe, because it intsantly makes the people who ingest it think that Lacus is actually God's gift to humanity and that all the things she does is unbelievably but perfectly right all the time. Quote:
And to get back on topic.... I always thought the Destiny Gundam looked like Deathscythe Hell/Custom...
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Exactly the first few phases were very good and actually quite addictive. But from there the story just seemed to plop worse and worse and worse |
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@ Eidolon: Diana was part of the royal family, as was Lacus. Lacus was loved for her voice and ideals, Diana for her intelligence. That and Lacus had her father's name. I mean honestly, who the hell likes Britney Spears? She has more in common with an old computer than anything else (cheap, white, and plastic!). It was Lacus with her father's name (her father was the gichou) that got people listening to her, and she capitalized. And I really don't think the gundams were unnecessary tools. They were quite necessary or Orb would have gone X_________________________________________________ ____________X.
Also, I'm not talking about before shooting Athrun down, I'm talking about after Shinn Shinn-stabbed the gouf and went back to Darth Gichou that Durandall said "you did the right thing, they were traitors, going to reveal operation ragnarok" and Shinn just stands there and basically says "Oh." Which is why I'm wondering why Shinn didn't just call BULL on Durandall when he saw Athrun in the Justice. I was in a way EXTREMELY surprised that he didn't say "WTF? You went back to Orb?! You have the Justice now? You're not part of LOGOS?" to which Athrun woulda said "no." And about Athrun getting whacked by Freedom, well, that's why ep 34 killed Shinn's character, didn't it? Wasn't until Athrun had to pwn Shinn himself that Shinn finally got his respect back. HOPEFULLY. About Lacus not finishing what she started: she entrusted Eileen Canaver to do that, who later entrusted Darth Gichou to continue the peace. Darth Gichou screwed it all up in his idealistic vision of a humanity without desire. Relena was not stronger than Lacus by any sense of the imagination. Even if she was stupid enough to stick around and meddle with politics in the face of people with far more power than she, Relena always got tossed around, be it by Romefellers, or Treize, or Mariameia or whoever the hell...Heero also nearly died trying to save her ass (oh wait, I forgot, Heero's the most invincible gundam pilot to ever have been created), but either way, he lost his Wing Zero for her. The least Relena could do is have that thing rebuilt as a symbol, but noooooo. The thing with Relena is that Relena might try to stick around personally, but never has any kill-switch ready to pull if anything ever gets screwed up. Lacus has those gundams built SPECIFICALLY to maintain control without ever having to meddle in politics herself (up until now when she DID what you were talking about and goes to be a foreign representative between Orb and PLANT...I guess now she's a people's elected empress...) The difference between Lacus and Relena is that Lacus speaks softly and carries a big stick. Relena speaks loudly and always winds up in trouble for being a loudmouth. Then Heero has to come in with his stick to end all sticks and do a lot of beating (even if he breaks his stick in the process ) A story of complete Mary Sues would undoubtedly be a satire. I had to change my mains around and give them, or focus more on their flaws just to make sure it gets through to readers. Also, for the record, Lacus does not dispense Lacus Dust. It's FREEDOM and STRIKE FREEDOM that dispense Lacus Dust whenever Lacus is around. And ONLY when Lacus is around. |
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Actually, my personal reason FF8 suck is the battle system. Oh my god...drawing magic from monsters? are FF characters so pathetic that they dont have inate magic spells? And using magic as "equipments" seemed interesting, but it gets stupid seeing how the powerful magic shouldnt be used since they are already equiped as stats boosters, which using them in battle would weaken your stats. That is plain stupidity. Also, when you are fighting an important boss, and you realise it has new/important magic that you need to draw, you spend 30 minutes trying to get 3 sets of that magic, and only 10minutes of actual fighting. Where the heck is the strategy? Heh, I didnt even go past disc 1 before I stopped playing. I had more fun playing FF2 than FF8. PERIOD. |
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Actually your right and wrong...the reason Rey and Dully's so-called poison got to Shinn was because there was nothing else to occupy his mind or balance his thoughts...Do you know why? Because Athrun can't talk...People, especially certain Lacus loving people ....They seem to forget that Shinn gave Athrun countless and I mean countless times to talk to him man-to-man...So many times Shinn looked at Athrun as if to say "Spit it out already...What do you have to tell me?", but Athrun, as the wounded fawn he was made out to be could only say, "Shinn" or walk away with his head down, moping about... Shinn is someone who can only respect and understand power(It's the basis of his character based on his family's death)...Athrun being handled by FREEDOM while Shinn not only killed Auel, killed like a 100 Windams and gutted like 5 ORB sea-vessels all with the Minerva under ungodly attack (rightly or wrongly) made Shinn lose respect for Universal-ACE Athrun Zala...Instead of being that strong role model that Athrun had seemed in ep 16, he came back to the ship like a wimp in Shinn's eyes...and upon confrontation by Shinn sounded and acted like one...Shinn being the classic alpha-male type put the responsibility of protecting the Minerva on his shoulders because he had lost faith in the fate of this FAITH-member...Athrun's subsequent actions only made it worse as he still behaved like an apologetic wimp and not a leader...So when everybody freaks out at the fact Shinn didn't listen to Athrun, remember Athrun didn't have the backbone to even talk to the kid...but once he's an established traitor who kidnapped Meyrin NOW he wants to preach to Shinn and talk to him like a man ...As if Shinn should listen now... Athrun has as much fault to bear as Shinn in this relationship...and that goes to the way he was written in GSD as a devolved, wishy-washy character who in the end as usual was totally wrong vs. Kira's ideals eventhough he's the only character that has a shred of realism to him in-terms of his motivations for wanting to fight for ZAFT again...Just another page amoungst countless others in the manual for why GSD fails... Furthermore during "Final Plus" I would have never gotten into I.J.'s hand...Leave me on the asteroid surface and fly away with the rest of your untarnished GUNDAMs...take your win and let me take my lost like a man...and if Luna wanted to hop into his hands let her silly-a$$ go...That's how I think the real Shinn would have acted (angst and pride to the end)...Not the "Pollyanna Asuka" we witnessed that forsaked his entire character and nearly everyone of his fans...The only people you hear being happy or satisfied with Shinn's sudden 360 to the nth power character change are Kira//pro "old cast" fans...I haven't read the comments of one true Shinn-fan being satisfied with that sickening ending...
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What's wrong with GSD is what's wrong is embodied by the finale plus episode. High expectations (this time we expected it to fix what was wrong with GSD... last time we expected GSD to meet up to GS's standards), poor character development, plot holes, vices that are used to protect and shield the characters that have the strongest fan base (Kira/ Athrun/ Mwu God Mode). The fact that instead of focusing on one or two main characters they switch between everyone and make others take a back seat while trying to redevelop characters that have been developed in the previous series. (Kira, Athrun, Cagalli). General Inconsistencies within the characters, storyline, fight scenes. Crappy gundams that take the old popular models and just add flashy decorations (no new concepts). They leave a vast pool of potential untapped and by the end of it you see the potential but because it never takes shape you're left feeling empty and ripped off by an anime you got to see for free. That said I must say that the writers were gutsey. They tried something new and daring (however misplanned it was). Were it maybe 100 episodes (or at least longer than it was with their "time contrants")? I think it actually might have turned out Okay can someone explain to me why it's not stupid that Rey shot Gil in the end quoting "I'm sorry Gil, but he wanted to live" |
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The thing is, WD, I think that Athrun fully understood Shinn only understands and respects power. That's why I think he couldn't say anything to Shinn. What was he going to do? Tell his life story? Have Shinn get him a tissue? Odds are, he needed some time to think, which was why he went out to the deck. Of course Shinn wasn't impressed with Athrun getting shot down. Which is why it was such a shame that Shinn himself didn't get his ass handed to him in episode 34...it would have at least put him in the same boat as Athrun. And yes, Athrun could only talk to Shinn FROM a position of power. Athrun really CANNOT talk to Shinn man to man, since Shinn really doesn't respect that. Heck, even in episode 16, Shinn just seems to forget about all that shit. He talked to Shinn after the Stella incident as well. What came of it? Nothing much. Sure, Athrun's fault is the fact that he got savioured. At the same time, it's Shinn's fault for not listening.
The truth is, WD, that Shinn only really listens when he KNOWS that the guy talking to him is not just his peer, but flat out BETTER than him. Odds are, that's why he got on the Justice's hand. What was he going to do on the surface of the moon with Luna? Wait there until his oxygen ran out? Until he starved or died of the cold? Or gone back to ZAFT looking like a complete loser that got put down by the Justice without a fight? The thing is, at the very end, after Shinn got shot down, I guess that's when it finally hit him how Athrun felt when Athrun got savioured. In fact, it was basically the SAME EXACT CASE. Just as Athrun did a lot of thinking after getting Savioured, so too did Shinn do some thinking in the timeskip after getting Destinied. (Is that what we can coin the term now?) Even Kira did some thinking after getting shot down...though clearly, it wasn't too much. Just the fact that Impulse's pilot was a straightforward, competitive guy. Then he got back to Orb, and had to save Lacus, and then got a new Freedom Gundam, so that's that. Yes, perhaps the writers DID rub it in too much that Shinn sort of came around (he could have taken the hand, but did he have to blubber like a baby? Well...Kira blubbered like a baby at the end of SEED, so...) @ Moon Eclipse: Rey shot Gil because Kira basically showed Rey the light/mindraped Rey, whichever way you want to see it. Or maybe Kira had Rey under a Jedi Mind Trick the whole time when he was in Darth Gichou's throne room...my only explanation is that Kira is really a Jedi in disguise. A Jedi knight under Lacus Clyne, Jedi Master! |
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I would like to point out that Shinn got savioured by Athrun because he tried to kill Lunamaria. Kira savioured Athrun, because Athrun made Cagalli cry. I think the big difference is that Athrun himself wasn't even the aggressor in either scenerio. Both time he defended what he believe in, but Kira once again suaded him to see thing in the "Kira" light. At that time Athrun did agree with him somewhat, he actually took a moment to think about stuff and got saviored. Shinn just kept trying to defend why he was right and started running out of excuses. Lunamaria, got it and tried to get in the way. It was at that point that Shinn went crazy, tried to kill her and Athrun savioured his @$$ for being an idiot. It was not until he completely lost (ie. lost all hope of ever destroying ORB, had that encounter with Stella that he finally began to see the light). Shinn blubber cause he loses, Kira blubbers because the world bleeds and because he hurts people and/or isn't able to protect them. As for Rey, so not even you can give me a reasonable explanation? I knew it was totally messed. |
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As for Rey, don't even get me started on that traitorous sheep-minded cur...his mindraping actually makes Shinn's brain-washing look like it was done by a 2$ dollar hypnotist swinging a pocket-watch... When Dully found out it was Rey that shot him I wish he would have said, "Why you worthless defective clone..." *dies* XD That would have been great...Oh and great job Athrun and Kira...such noble fellows just walk off wearing the WTF?-face as Talia and Rey die...Athrun could have easily shot that gun outta Talia's hand and grabbed her silly-a$$..."Oh I guess we have to go, see you later Rey..." To hell with extending their hand to him when he's 3 inches away from the door..." What compassion Mr. Yamato... Does that WTF?-Face come with a patent??
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks
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