(L) Tiger & Bunny (Sunrise)

[GermaphobicBear]

Spoiler for ep 21:

I doubt Kaede will be able to save anyone's memories with Mavericks power. She'd have to touch her hands to their heads, and wouldn't that cause her to absorb their powers?

And anyone else notice how freaking powerful Kotetsu is? I mean sure, the adrenaline thing, but that can only go so far. He was hanging from a huge building with his grapple thing, kicked the wall, and landed on the roof. ... what.

[wandering-dreamer]

Goddammit Viz, and I thought that Nura had some of the worst subtitles for a simulcast either, really pissed off at whoever forgot to do quality control right now. =_=

Spoiler for episode 20:

I'm positive that "Dark Tiger" is a robot, between all the hints about advanced robotics that have popped up this season (Cis was able to take on a hero and fight pretty well so the technology exists) plus Maverick wouldn't have to worry about someone spilling the beans about who the real Wild Tiger is (the not talking seemed like a big clue too). Thought it was interesting how Lunatic subtlety helped out Kotetsu, he certainly didn't seem happy that someone has been messing with all the files. And I was glad that they finally told Kaeda what's going on and I loved how she decided that the best way to fix this was to go to Sternbild herself, guess all the theories about her revealing Maverick's power might come true after all.

Scarfie!

[DonQuigleone]

Originally Posted by GermaphobicBear

Spoiler for ep 21:

I doubt Kaede will be able to save anyone's memories with Mavericks power. She'd have to touch her hands to their heads, and wouldn't that cause her to absorb their powers?

And anyone else notice how freaking powerful Kotetsu is? I mean sure, the adrenaline thing, but that can only go so far. He was hanging from a huge building with his grapple thing, kicked the wall, and landed on the roof. ... what.

Spoiler for ep21:

I think Marverick was able to alter the memories by just hovering his hand over the head. Also, his memories seem to fall apart when confronted with the truth outright, so we might see all the cast returned to their buddy buddy relationship with Kotetsu

[Funkatron]

Now its time for a wild Roar!!

Yeah, Wild Tiger you are the badassness

[Fenrir_valindri]

I have to admit, seeing Kotetsu in his old costume basically going "bring it" at the end of the episode was epic.

[Maverick05]

Very stupid, but very exciting theory:

Lets say that Kaede or Yuri/Lunatic finds a way to get police to capture Kotetsu for questioning or at least for police to oppose the heroes until figuring out what`s going on.

Now here comes a crazy/unstable Bunny, decides that he wants to get justice by his own hands, and kills/injures a couple of cops or hurt innnocent bystanders!! Now that will certaining screw up Maverick`s plan: His golden boy and King of Heroes branded as a CopKiller or worst, and let the finale go wild!!

It will certainly set a path for a final confrontation with Lunatic wanting to kill Bunny while Kotetsu try to stop both (and Bunny still trying to kill him).

[ars89]

Good job by Yuri to figure out something was wrong. Didn't expect Kaede to go to the city, at least she knows why her father was always gone now. I'm guessing the new Tiger is a robot. Looks like Bunny's new suit is ready as well. Good thing for Ben to show up. Kotetsu in his old suit about to take everyone on at once was awesome. Wouldn't they kind of recognize him if her used their real names since their real identities are supposed to be hidden from the public?

[Kusa-San]

What a fucking great, epic episode

Spoiler for 21:

The end was epic with Kotetsu facing them with his old suit !! And Kaede who knows the whole truth !!! And Ben !! And Lunatic !! Damnit, just as planned, I can't wait for the next ep !!

I don't need to say that I loved this episode The next one, now !!

[Triple_R]

That was a tremendously terrific twenty-first episode of Tiger and Bunny!

Very epic, and very cool.


Now, I'm going to run Episode 21 by three speculations I made a week ago

Originally Posted by Triple_R

A few speculations:

1. Lunatic is going to see through this. He likely knows that Kotetsu is Wild Tiger, and he's had multiple run-ins with Wild Tiger, knowing that the man is a sincere hero who wouldn't kill anybody, let alone an innocent civilian. I expect Lunatic to make the odds a bit more even, and likely help Kotetsu successfully retreat for now.

Check! Very glad this speculation proved to be right, as I would have been disappointed in Lunatic otherwise.

2. I expect the towel that Kotetsu gave to Blue Rose to be what triggers memories for her. She'll snap out of it, as such, and will play a key role later on.

Not quite. However, I'm glad that the towel that Kogetsu gave Blue Rose at least came up this episode. It did seem to effect her a bit at least.

3. We will get Tiger vs. Bunny. It's just too fun a fight to pass up when you've created the perfect pretext for it.

We had Tiger trying to evade every hero except Bunny.

However, Bunny is clearly on his way, and it'll be interesting to see if him and the real Wild Tiger get into a physical struggle with one another.

Now, unto more episode discussion...

I think that Tiger realized that the heroes wouldn't be inclined to listen to a "wanted criminal", but they may listen to an unknown costumed man claiming to be Wild Tiger, and wearing the real traditional outfit of him.

When Maverick altered the memories of the heroes, he had to have approached their memories of spandex-clad Wild Tiger in one of two ways:

1. He removed their memories of the spandex-clad costume. As such, there never was a spandex-clad Wild Tiger as far as the heroes recall. He was always in the mechanical suit. If this is the case, then seeing the real old Wild Tiger outfit may trigger a whole crapload of memories for the heroes, as they must have many memories of fighting beside Wild Tiger in his old costume.

2. Maverick never changed them... and hence seeing Kotetsu in his old Wild Tiger costume may cause some glaring inconsistencies in their memories, hence unraveling the false ones given by Maverick.


Now, I think that Kotetsu's plan is to tell each hero something that only a close friend of theirs would know. This will cause them to ask themselves 'How does this guy know this?!', which in turn will lend greater credibility to Kotetsu's words. In the preview, there's a brief shot of Blue Rose and Dragon Kid looking a bit shocked, and I think that this will probably be in response to Kotetsu saying something about them that no stranger should know.

Now, my further speculation for this is as follows:

Kotetsu's plan will be going well until "Dark Tiger" and Bunny arrive. Then they'll interrupt the proceedings, and Kotetsu will be put on the defensive. Bunny is out for revenge, and hence will be in no mood to "play games" with this "imposter".

Kaede and/or Lunatic will show up at a critical moment to start to turn the tide again, though. This critical moment may be the cliffhanger of next episode.


In any event, its been a wild ride for Wild Tiger, and I'm definitely looking forward to more!

[TnAdct1]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I think that Tiger realized that the heroes wouldn't be inclined to listen to a "wanted criminal", but they may listen to an unknown costumed man claiming to be Wild Tiger, and wearing the real traditional outfit of him.

When Maverick altered the memories of the heroes, he had to have approached their memories of spandex-clad Wild Tiger in one of two ways:

1. He removed their memories of the spandex-clad costume. As such, there never was a spandex-clad Wild Tiger as far as the heroes recall. He was always in the mechanical suit. If this is the case, then seeing the real old Wild Tiger outfit may trigger a whole crapload of memories for the heroes, as they must have many memories of fighting beside Wild Tiger in his old costume.

2. Maverick never changed them... and hence seeing Kotetsu in his old Wild Tiger costume may cause some glaring inconsistencies in their memories, hence unraveling the false ones given by Maverick.

Another thing to consider (and another big blunder in term's of Maverick's dumb plan to make Kotetsu a wanted criminal): since Maverick's mind altering abilities were done by the people working at Hero TV, not the viewing public, that means that there's going to be a few people in the public who are aware of Wild Tiger's original outfit (i.e. the outfit he wore back when he was the least-popular hero on the show). When you consider how the Tiger 2.0 outfit is not even same color as Wild Tiger's cybernetic outfit, I think there's going to be a few members of the public who will realize that something's a miss and, if there's a confrontation between Wild Tiger in his old outfit and Tiger 2.0, would realize that Tiger 2.0 is a fake and will end up rooting for the real Wild Tiger instead.

[Sanjuronord]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

1. He removed their memories of the spandex-clad costume. As such, there never was a spandex-clad Wild Tiger as far as the heroes recall. He was always in the mechanical suit.

Surely not, there are so many magazines and cards for these heroes all over the place that it would be next to impossible for one of them to not eventually notice a picture of Wild Tiger in his original outfit.

[Guardian Enzo]

Another very good ep, though the animation still looked wonky to me. I suspect Kotetsu's brother will show up in Sternbild next week, possibly with a NEXT power. But I still wonder about the most obvious hole in Maverick's plan - how does he intend to deal with Kotetsu's family? He's made no overt moves yet that we know of, but he must have had something in mind.

[FlavorOfLife]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

I suspect Kotetsu's brother will show up in Sternbild next week, possibly with a NEXT power.

Yeah probably Magneto's power (seeing Kaede got magnetism from somewhere) which would allow him to rip the fake Wild Tiger robot apart.

[playmaker2k]

Ep21 is so good in so many levels, that it's kinda hard to say anything new since everyone pretty much covered it. So I'll just post this and be on my way.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...dff450e95.jpg/

[ookamigirl]

Tiger has been framed! Poor guy, just can't get a lucky break.
So Kaede finally found out the truth about her dad, Wild Tiger. Forced to run & being hunted by your friends totally sucks.
Wow, amazing how it took Kotetsu half of the episode to realize they've all been changed somehow, but being saved by Lunatic, never saw that one coming.
Well, at least he has Ben & he figured out it was all Maverick's doing.

[Jeffry2009]

- Will Kotetsu find out the truth about Maverick's evil plan?
- Can Kotetsu saved Barnaby from mindwarped Maverick?
- Can Kaede ever get to his dad in time?

Only 4 episodes left. Maverick must be stopped once and for all. There's NO way in hell that he created an imposter Wild Tiger & brainwashed Barnaby.

I guess that I was wrong about last time about Jake VS barnaby's from ep13 thingy. It was all part of Maverick's conspiracy! I swear a god! Somebody should snapped Barnaby out of this hellhole!

This is like a male version of Mai Otome (Have you guys seen it?) where your friends betrayed each other.

[Haak]

Great episode. Everyone was pretty much right on the money with predicting what was going to happen. Next episode will be a bit more interesting. I wonder what Kaede's role will be.

[Jeffry2009]

Somebody should snap out of this Trance. Barnaby has been deceived by Maverick.

In the preview: Is kotetsu finally on his new Wild tiger suit back? Or is it someone else?

[Crontica]

My face when Kaede directly ran into Maverick..

"HOLY S- NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO!!! Don't say anything!! Don't mention anything!! Don don don DON'T!!!!"

[mechalord]

I can see Kaede becoming Blue Rose's sidekick. Blue Rose and Cherry Blossom/Red Sakura/White Sakura/Pink Sakura. Kaede could just as likely join the minor league heroes, too. She's extremely powerful already and would pair up with Blue Rose quite well. The Tomboy and Girly Girl duo.

The underlying theme of the show seems to be "You never know who'll cross your path."

The scarf girl, the elevator saboteur in the early episodes, Yuri, Mr. Legends private life, Kaede and Kotetsu's relationship, Barnaby and Maverick's relationship. Kaede was unaware that her father was a hero. Barnaby never knew the man that crossed his path everyday as a father figure killed his parents.


I can see scarf girl bumping into Kotetsu or Barnaby in the final scene with mutual blushing by both and then Kotetsu/Barnaby inviting her to a cup of coffee.

She seems destined to be a superhero girlfriend. It's only fitting the series would end with her meeting her Clark Kent.