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2011-04-22, 16:49 | Link #142 |
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Appropriately, she doesn't become Kyubey's pawn, even through contracting: Just as Homura asks her at the very beginning, she remains herself. Which is... you know... quite a feat when you transcend space and time.
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2011-04-24, 17:27 | Link #145 |
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You know she hates part of it.
She knows she has to allow war and despair to still exist so humanity can evolve, and that goes against her "puppies and unicorns" mentality. Her entire wish is to prevent suffering when, as God, she has to cause it (or at least intentionally allow it to happen) for the fabric of reality to hold together. |
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2011-04-24, 17:51 | Link #147 |
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She probably can't hate anyway, since once her wish is fulfilled and even her own witch is destroyed, she became a concept an as such she most likely lost what made her human. I doubt she can even feel anything in such ephemeral state. You may note that during Madoka and Homura's farewell Madoka is always composed, almost devoid of concern. That's a pretty big hint about the consequences of her state at that moment.
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2011-04-24, 18:10 | Link #149 | |
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2011-04-24, 18:14 | Link #150 | |
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Madoka displayed emotion during that farewell with Homura. Her words to Madoka were clearly tinged with emotion. Emotion isn't always high-strung. It can come through calmly as well. I do not believe that Madoka lost all of what made her human. I think that she can still feel emotion, and that her memories of being a human will remain with her always. Hope itself is an emotional thing, and Madoka is now personified Hope.
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Translations much appreciated...i dunno how Ribbons say to himself for his own gundam == Her eyes even changed from pink to yellow...(could she be an innovator?) Last edited by Scarletknive; 2011-04-25 at 04:56. |
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on another note, the ISML preliminary voting ended too early before Madoka ended, so she didn't get a chance. Sakura Kyoko also didn't have a chance at the nomination too. what are your favourite anime series? PS: anyone can spare some time to help me find where's the original source of the LAST PICTURE in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGlRtgUVyz4 , chan.sankakucomplex 54 pages of madoka archives does not seem to contain it, maybe its in some other channels that i haven't dug out :S
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So, the Madoka who is with Sayaka is the manifestation of her wish, which is to erase witches of all the times. That Madoka still has feelings because she's still a magical girl. But the Madoka who kills her own witch after her wish has been granted (in the scene outside of time) is prepared to transcend to a higher plane, and become a concept, as QB explained. Probably her last act of emotion is that farewell wish Homura, and then she goes to that other plane, that other state, which is no the same as the one she had when she was taking care of the all the witches of the all the times of the universe, it's a new state, that is totally removed from our plane of existance, as QB explained. In that state, Madoka doesn't exist anymore, because existence is a property of this plane. She is a concept, an idea, not different than what God is nowadays: she can't interact with this plane, she can't do anything, change anything, just watch. That's why Madoka says that if Homura remembers her, it would be a true miracle. It's so impossible, that Homura remembering her is the grater miracle, even grater than all Madoka did with her wish. So did Madoka become a God? It depends of what you think God is. If you think of God as a concept, then yes, Madoka became a God. If you think of God as an actual existence of this universe that actually has power over the universe, then no, Madoka didn't become God. The only power Madoka has over the universe is the power of granting her wish, which is erasing witches. And from her point of view, this is something she already did, since she is outside of time, and now she's beyond that, now she's resting in another plane of existence, unconnected to this one except as an idea in Homura's head. It's an eternal rest after fulfilling her wish. I think people get confused because they think there's chronological correlation between the scene outside of time and the subsequent scene in the "new world". There's none. What happened outside of time is, well, outside of time. That's why from Madoka's point of view, her wish has been fully granted already, and so she bid farewell to Homura and went to her eternal rest. From the point of view of the people in the new world, where time exists, Madoka is still acting over the world, her wish is still erasing witches, and will be till the end of the magical girls in the universe. It's an illogical duality, since the idea of being "outside of time" is illogical in and of itself. There's no way to explain this logically. If Madoka is still erasing witches, then her wish still is not fully granted, and she still didn't became a witch, and her existence still didn't change to that other state of "non-existence". And yet, she already did it all, because she was "outside of time" when she did it. Tricky!!
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