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AdventSleeper · 2011-11-23, 02:50

Oh my, that certainly flipped my world upside down. What a life-changing revelation.

Kafriel · 2011-11-23, 03:13

Ginjou makes it sound so bad that SS took measures against an unstable hybrid of god-knows-what, who kicked their door and caused a mess in their house.

Marcus H. · 2011-11-23, 03:17

But what if he is actually telling the truth?

Yeah no.

Casshern · 2011-11-23, 03:21

Blueballin' s.o.b Kubo you spend friggin' weeks building up to this and when we finally get there you cut us off.

Haak · 2011-11-23, 03:34

So basically Ichigo was under secret surveillance the whole time. Well it's not exactly nice to keep such a thing secret but it's not exactly the greatest crime in the world either. Really, the only problem is that Ukitake simply didn't tell Ichigo that. I mean if I were in Soul Societies shoes, I wouldn't want a powerful shinigami/human hybrid running around unchecked, either. And although it may be harsh to execute him if he ever did something wrong, one can easily the see the scenarios where that can be justified (Since there's one right in front of him), so it's a simple matter asking for the other side of the story, which can easily turn out to be a lot more reasonable (Ginjou is not exactly someone who has proven himself trustworthy in any case...)

If they simply explained it to him reasonably (and it is quite reasonable) then there's really no problem. As it stands the only issue this creates now is simply hurt feelings from the revealed lack of trust. Cry me a river. If this is supposed to be a great revelation, enough to devote an entire chapter to, then to quote Kurisu: "Yo, I heard you like fail, so we put some fail in your fail, so you can facepalm while you facepalm"...

Marcus H. · 2011-11-23, 03:42

There's still a chance that Ukitake is willing to feed Ichigo to Mayuri.

Haak · 2011-11-23, 03:45

Yeah...Mayuri is an even bigger threat to Soul Societies moral highground and Kubo played that for laughs. I honestly don't see how he can expect us to take this seriously anymore.

lucasd · 2011-11-23, 06:00

Ichigo is a dumb-ass, has he ever heard about diplomacy?
Peace talk is for sissies!

Would not it be easier to ask to redo spell on his friends at the beginning.

Also SS massacred quincy, so far the greatest massacre (exluding maybe 10 visit to earth) whereas Ginjo did not kill anyone (at least known for now) and SS is good guys for ichigo?

Randrak42 · 2011-11-23, 07:15

Wanna know why Aizen would never be considered a "good guy"? The guy killed people just cause he could...no other reason is needed.

Why is Ginjuu a bad guy even though he hasn't killed anyone (that we know) yet?
1: He nearly killed Ishida.
2: He works with a guy that loves to mindfuck people for what seems to be shits and giggles.
3: Who's to say he wouldn't have killed Ichigo and a whole lot of others after taking his powers?

Finally...Ichigo invaded SS, has captain level power (even more during the Aizen fight) AND he could suddenly turn into a psychotic half hollow dude (Hichigo) which he had no control over AND was stronger than he regular self.
What kind of organization would be moronic enough NOT to put the guy under surveillance?

It's like a country not keeping watch over its nuclear weapons.

Haak · 2011-11-23, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Randrak42

It's like a country not keeping watch over its nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons that have a mind of their own. XP

Lord of Pandemonium · 2011-11-23, 07:50

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Originally Posted by Casshern

Blueballin' s.o.b Kubo you spend friggin' weeks building up to this and when we finally get there you cut us off.

I was about to orgasm

Yeah! I wanted to see Ichigo go bankai! I don't care what reason he does it only that he does it

Best line ever...
"what have you been watching. I'm sorry to inform you, I can still easily wipe the floor with you two"

I love that Ginjou. He's becoming my fourth favorite character.

Once again Kubo proves that he PLANNED most things and still fans deny it. There is a method to his madness!
Chapter was good but I don't have time to discuss it. I always suspected that badge was a limiter and I am sure it's not as bad as Ginjou sounds. He probably fucked up and Ukitake tried to kill him. It's nice to finally learn the division specialty

Randrak42 · 2011-11-23, 07:53

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Originally Posted by Haak

Nuclear weapons that have a mind of their own. XP

And psychotic split personalities.

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Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

Once again Kubo proves that he PLANNED most things.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure he did...

KnightOfTwo · 2011-11-23, 07:56

Upon seeing what actually happened this chap. I retract my earlier post about this sounding interesting. In the end, the reasoning behind it was just stupid.

Keeping track of Ichigo, when he isn't actually a member of the Gotei 13 makes perfect sense. While his objectives may fall in line with theirs, he is not a Gotei 13 member and therefore does not have to directly answer to them. At the very least, he is a captain class level shinigami that could pose a large threat to wherever he is. Left unattended, who knows what kinds of shenanigans he could get into.

The badge being a suppressor for his power makes even more sense. The captains have inhibitors put on them when they enter the real world, so why wouldn't they want Ichigo, someone with captain class power, to have the same thing?

If his friends knew and didn't tell him. Yeah, it is slightly jerkish but that doesn't mean they are out to get him killed. It just means they thought he wouldn't take it well or that there wasn't even a need to tell him. Considering they gave him his powers back when Ginjou stole some of them, I would put more trust in them.

I actually had faith in Ichigo for a moment, saying he wasn't gonna fall for anything....only to fall for something 5 panels later.

Oh well, get to see new Bankai next week. Hope it has actually changed.

Mr. DJ · 2011-11-23, 08:11

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Originally Posted by ntherblast

I doubt he was sick all those times. Also how does monitoring/restricting ichigo with the badge make ss the bad guys?

"The badge is a surveillance device for Soul Society and a device to absorb, analyze and control your reiatsu."

If I'm going to be a guinea pig, I'd rather not find out over 2 years later after working with them.

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Originally Posted by kk2extreme

If SS is the bad guy and you fight against the bad guy, would that make you a good guy?

bad guys can only work together for so long

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Oh, and the badge is apparently a tracking device and a reiatsu regulator, among things. Why does Ginjou still carry his around again?

more than likely it doesn't work anymore, but we'll see if the upcoming chapter(s) explain that little bit...

~Yami~ · 2011-11-23, 08:16

errr... so what's wrong with being observed by Ukitake??? except if Ukitake has an evil plan, then it won't be a big problem...

there's no way Ichigo will switch sides....

new bankai... worth to see

Haak · 2011-11-23, 08:17

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Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium

Once again Kubo proves that he PLANNED most things and still fans deny it.

And once again I'll tell you that my complaint is that Kubo is a shite planner and not that he doesn't plan at all. This is probably the best example yet.

j0x · 2011-11-23, 08:41

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Originally Posted by Von Himmel

http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost...50&postcount=1 < before anyone think it's pure asspull or something. Is this guy a time-traveller or something?

it could also mean that Kubo saw that thread and made that story happen lol

Randrak42 · 2011-11-23, 09:02

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Originally Posted by Haak

And once again I'll tell you that my complaint is that Kubo is a shite planner and not that he doesn't plan at all. This is probably the best example yet.

Either he doesn't plan it or he does and its shitty planning...either way this manga's plot is as unstable as its backgrounds...one minute it's here and then BAM...what backgrounds?

Frailty · 2011-11-23, 09:03

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

But what if he is actually telling the truth?

Yeah no.

Ginjou's telling the truth... I think.
that reaction Ishida told me that Ishida knew everything Ginjou said to Ichigo long before. maybe Ichigo believed Ginjou but I think Ichigo knows deep inside that there was a purpose behind the surveillance.

anyway, I wonder if Ichigo's bankai would look the same as before?

Mr. DJ · 2011-11-23, 09:18

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Originally Posted by ~Yami~

errr... so what's wrong with being observed by Ukitake??? except if Ukitake has an evil plan, then it won't be a big problem..

invasion of privacy is always an issue...I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it if you found out the government was watching you everywhere.

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2011-11-23, 03:34	Link #45
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	So basically Ichigo was under secret surveillance the whole time. Well it's not exactly nice to keep such a thing secret but it's not exactly the greatest crime in the world either. Really, the only problem is that Ukitake simply didn't tell Ichigo that. I mean if I were in Soul Societies shoes, I wouldn't want a powerful shinigami/human hybrid running around unchecked, either. And although it may be harsh to execute him if he ever did something wrong, one can easily the see the scenarios where that can be justified (Since there's one right in front of him), so it's a simple matter asking for the other side of the story, which can easily turn out to be a lot more reasonable (Ginjou is not exactly someone who has proven himself trustworthy in any case...) If they simply explained it to him reasonably (and it is quite reasonable) then there's really no problem. As it stands the only issue this creates now is simply hurt feelings from the revealed lack of trust. Cry me a river. If this is supposed to be a great revelation, enough to devote an entire chapter to, then to quote Kurisu: "Yo, I heard you like fail, so we put some fail in your fail, so you can facepalm while you facepalm"... __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2011-11-23, 03:42	Link #46
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	There's still a chance that Ukitake is willing to feed Ichigo to Mayuri. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-11-23, 03:45	Link #47
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	Yeah...Mayuri is an even bigger threat to Soul Societies moral highground and Kubo played that for laughs. I honestly don't see how he can expect us to take this seriously anymore. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2011-11-23, 02:50	Link #41
AdventSleeper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	Oh my, that certainly flipped my world upside down. What a life-changing revelation.

2011-11-23, 03:13	Link #42
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	Ginjou makes it sound so bad that SS took measures against an unstable hybrid of god-knows-what, who kicked their door and caused a mess in their house.

2011-11-23, 03:21	Link #44
Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Blueballin' s.o.b Kubo you spend friggin' weeks building up to this and when we finally get there you cut us off.

2011-11-23, 06:00	Link #48
lucasd Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	Ichigo is a dumb-ass, has he ever heard about diplomacy? Peace talk is for sissies! Would not it be easier to ask to redo spell on his friends at the beginning. Also SS massacred quincy, so far the greatest massacre (exluding maybe 10 visit to earth) whereas Ginjo did not kill anyone (at least known for now) and SS is good guys for ichigo?

2011-11-23, 07:15	Link #49
Randrak42 ANEGO Worshiper Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: By the vending machine, drinking tea.	Wanna know why Aizen would never be considered a "good guy"? The guy killed people just cause he could...no other reason is needed. Why is Ginjuu a bad guy even though he hasn't killed anyone (that we know) yet? 1: He nearly killed Ishida. 2: He works with a guy that loves to mindfuck people for what seems to be shits and giggles. 3: Who's to say he wouldn't have killed Ichigo and a whole lot of others after taking his powers? Finally...Ichigo invaded SS, has captain level power (even more during the Aizen fight) AND he could suddenly turn into a psychotic half hollow dude (Hichigo) which he had no control over AND was stronger than he regular self. What kind of organization would be moronic enough NOT to put the guy under surveillance? It's like a country not keeping watch over its nuclear weapons.

2011-11-23, 07:56	Link #53
KnightOfTwo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009	Upon seeing what actually happened this chap. I retract my earlier post about this sounding interesting. In the end, the reasoning behind it was just stupid. Keeping track of Ichigo, when he isn't actually a member of the Gotei 13 makes perfect sense. While his objectives may fall in line with theirs, he is not a Gotei 13 member and therefore does not have to directly answer to them. At the very least, he is a captain class level shinigami that could pose a large threat to wherever he is. Left unattended, who knows what kinds of shenanigans he could get into. The badge being a suppressor for his power makes even more sense. The captains have inhibitors put on them when they enter the real world, so why wouldn't they want Ichigo, someone with captain class power, to have the same thing? If his friends knew and didn't tell him. Yeah, it is slightly jerkish but that doesn't mean they are out to get him killed. It just means they thought he wouldn't take it well or that there wasn't even a need to tell him. Considering they gave him his powers back when Ginjou stole some of them, I would put more trust in them. I actually had faith in Ichigo for a moment, saying he wasn't gonna fall for anything....only to fall for something 5 panels later. Oh well, get to see new Bankai next week. Hope it has actually changed.

2011-11-23, 08:16	Link #55
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	errr... so what's wrong with being observed by Ukitake??? except if Ukitake has an evil plan, then it won't be a big problem... there's no way Ichigo will switch sides.... new bankai... worth to see