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And Miuna's drama might lacks pathos for you, but not for me. Also, my point is that you should speculate on the next things to happen, so when they happen you will have the chance of saying of not becoming any wiser, as you've worded.
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2014-02-21, 12:06 | Link #2582 |
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in my case i simply dislike miuna, so yeah her arc is not interesting for me in any ways, but as i see things, the miuna spectacle is finally over and we will have focous back to hikari, wich is the one that actually matters, thou i would also like chisaki to move on and get with tsumugu.
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2014-02-21, 12:09 | Link #2583 |
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Four episodes out of twenty can hardly be considered every episode. And even if it was, what's the point? I notice and talk about flaws more than others so therefore there's something wrong with me?
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2014-02-21, 13:54 | Link #2585 |
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From the looks of the next episode preview and the fact that Manaka and Hikari seem to be meeting Chisaki and Kaname together im going to assume that Manaka is staying at Akari's place as well. It probably also helps that she was kinda already there for a week anyway doesn't it.
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2014-02-21, 15:02 | Link #2587 | ||
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I think those are good points you made Haak, but I kinda think that the main problem with many posters in the thread with this ep is ... well, quite frankly impatience. They:
1. want to see the series move ahead and resolve things for all the characters (in other words they _care_ about the characters). 2. want for there to be more sense out of what they have been shown so far in terms of the larger story and have not been able to either make sense of what they have seen thus far and/or don't like what they have seen so far. I really do kinda feel that what is going on at root among many (not all) of the posters who have responded negatively is in reaction to the slow pace that they are being exposed to that they are having difficulty understanding _why_. That being said, while I felt the last ep was needed and perhaps a little too drawn out in the short term, I think, but I also feel that it would be premature (though understandable) to start throwing tables around, screaming "That does it! I am soooo done with this series!" (though they will watch next week's ep too, very likely). I think it was very well said by two of the posters above: Quote:
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2014-02-21, 15:08 | Link #2588 |
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Hahaha it's funny how everyone including myself keep saying every week "oh! Blah blah is back!! Now the next ep is going to move forward!!" But really, not much is moving forward. And I feel that next ep is just going to be about the 4 people reunion with touching moments with the outsiders moping around....
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2014-02-21, 15:10 | Link #2589 |
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For me, this was an excellent episode, one of the best. That's largely because it was so much concerned with people's feelings, about the situation, about themselves, about each other. That is what I watch this stuff for, more than the shallow machinations of "plot."
Miuna is one of my favorite characters because she is dealing with such strong, sweet, understandable, romantic feelings. Tsumugu is another of my favorites because his feelings are, despite his own sense of them, deeper than other people's. Too deep to come bubbling up onto the surface at all times. It was heaven for me to see them together, revealing themselves and trying to understand and come to terms with their situations. I still don't much like Hikari, because of his self-centred irascibility and especially because of how he treated Manaka early on. To me, he loves her as someone he can boss around. Like other extroverts, he is effective (although his ofunehiki may have had bad effects, rather than good), but he still has to demonstrate to me that he has any real depth. Other viewers love him, so I think it's okay for me to feel differently. He gets enough support elsewhere. I was delighted with the way this episode was presented. When I saw the end-credits, I saw a name as storyboarder whose episodes I often like: the Korean episode director and storyboarder Ho Jon 許琮, who did the storyboard for ep15, as well as five eps of Uchouten Kazoku, and multiple eps of shows like Tari Tari, RDG, Canaan, Hanasaku Iroha, True Tears, etc. The way they handled Manaka at the end was wonderful, with the voice preceding the image. I like the suggestion that Miuna has some hidden powers.
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2014-02-21, 15:39 | Link #2590 | |
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2014-02-21, 15:54 | Link #2591 | |
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Hmm ... I guess I kinda feel Miuna is a "poster girl" or primary example of what I described in point #2 though - many people cannot really see _why_ she should be in the forefront or be a primary focus. What they see her purpose being present thus far as can vary - plot contrivance, pandering, moe factor, emotional drama exploitation or whatever (none of which I personally agree with, but these are some of the reasons I can recall being offered as to why some posters might dislike Miuna). Again though, to use her specific example, I believe she has been put in the forefront for a particular reason to the overall resolution of the series whether or no we can make sense of it at the moment. The first cour showed a very effective, tightly written narrative in my opinion, and I feel the second cour is doing the same thing with the exception that it is a little slower to deliver. But with the first cour before us as an example and with obvious elements and story building in process in the second cour already having been presented, why not trust in the delivery pattern of the first cour? In other words, be patient and give it a chance. It has a good track record overall.
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2014-02-21, 16:36 | Link #2592 | |
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And I dispute that just because I hate a character, I can't have my opinion changed by the show itself. For example, I hated Hikari for the first three episodes or so, but now I really like him, because he earned it through good character development and through the writing. |
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2014-02-21, 17:12 | Link #2593 | |
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But even so, there is the larger "overall" picture to take into account in my opinion. Even if one dislikes one aspect or part of a series I think it is important to keep the whole picture in mind lest one ruin the series for oneself ... or even others. And in that light for myself Hikari's behavior the past few eps is a rather small thing indeed. I don't think the problem is a question of whether or no an opinion is legitimate but what they do with the opinion being legitimate, or even "fair" - both to a series itself, to others one is discussing the series with, or even ultimately to oneself. No one is forcing a viewer to keep watching a series, after all. If you don't like something then just let it go. Maybe one needs to come back to it later with a fresher perspective or maybe it is not, after all, one's cup of tea.
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2014-02-21, 17:29 | Link #2595 | |
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Miuna's presence alone is going to drop this series down from a 9/10 to a ~7/10 for me if things don't get better. |
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2014-02-21, 17:53 | Link #2597 |
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I think that people doesn't hate Miuna per se. The problem is more related to how she has been handled. I'll try to explain it with an example, stretched and with tongue in cheek, but still valid I think.
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On a side note, odd that nobody posted a gif of Chisaki resurfacing from the sea yet.
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2014-02-21, 18:33 | Link #2599 |
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Well glad Manaka has rejoined the cast. When it comes to Miuna there are just times I like her and times I feel like she becomes too much about one thing. Not a bad character, I just hope they can balance out the screentime a bit better.
I did like the chat with her and Tsumugu. Two people who can relate on the topic they discussed. I'm sure for Tsumugu the idea of Hikari and company waking up was a scary thing. But you see those friends again and get those people back in your life and it is a good thing. Probably helps that clearly he's got no threat in Kaname though the Hikari issue exists . Maybe the funnest moment of the episode was the jaws pretty well dropping when Chisaki resurfaced . Dive, dive, dive! Luckily it's getting colder since they retrieved Manaka so they could cool off.
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