Character Discussion - Kallen

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by Vito

Lolipopo: 5 minutes? You are greatly overestimating Lulu's stamina. I belive the proper time unit in Lelouch's case is seconds. (hence why I am a supporter of a harem ending, someone will have to finish the job lulu started in bed after he passes out).

Not much decent Kalulu fanart is there? I suppose CluClu just looks better. Well... one episode left to go, let's hope they don't completely fuck up her character.

Gum line, devellopment, romance in R2...it will be totally insane to screw up all those things

If things turn bad, we will have all the necesssary time to be pissed off, but at this rate, if I win my tragic ending with Lelouch's feelings to her, it will be a win to me, this girl is totally heartbroken because of him, she has every right to get her answer, even if she has to kill him (and so, Kallen will become the most hated characters of the anime history...)

The sound of her song is positive, even if the lyrics are sad, Kallen seems able to move on, so yeah, we can hope everything will be fine to her in the last turn
(or believe !)
*Go pray in the temple to not such a bad idea as two immortals in the end...*

Oh, and Kallen has the stamina and;...Lelouch can be very manly to some things. I'm sure he can try to keep the distance

Kang : Good, play your role until the very end ! We lost our knight of variable we need our emperor.

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

Gum line, devellopment, romance in R2...it will be totally insane to screw up all those things

If things turn bad, we will have all the necesssary time to be pissed off, but at this rate, if I win my tragic ending with Lelouch's feelings to her, it will be a win to me, this girl is totally heartbroken because of him, she has every right to get her answer, even if she has to kill him (and so, Kallen will become the most hated characters of the anime history...)

The sound of her song is positive, even if the lyrics are sad, Kallen seems able to move on, so yeah, we can hope everything will be fine to her in the last turn
(or believe !)

Kang : Good, play your role until the very end ! We lost our knight of variable we need our emperor.

THIS... THIS... I swear they better not have her kill him.. or this will happen for sureee

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

Kang : Good, play your role until the very end ! We lost our knight of variable we need our emperor.

I have come on the throne by rivers of blood. I do not intend on abandoning it.

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

THIS... THIS... I swear they better not have her kill him.. or this will happen for sureee

*Hopes it happens, for the sake of getting a speculation right*

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

I have come on the throne by rivers of blood. I do not intend on abandoning it.




*Hopes it happens, for the sake of getting a speculation right*

WHAT!?? NOooo!!

but you know, I wonder if Lulu has something planned for Kallen, and that's probably why he didn't tell her the plan because he predicted she would try to kill him eventually...or maybe something else?? .. I mean Kallen might not understand Lulu too well (right now) but Lulu understands her pretty well..

[Kang Seung Jae]

A small gift before I go back into the Temple:



Imagine.... If this girl was a chess grandmaster.

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

WHAT!?? NOooo!!

but you know, I wonder if Lulu has something planned for Kallen, and that's probably why he didn't tell her the plan because he predicted she would try to kill him eventually...or maybe something else?? .. I mean Kallen might not understand Lulu too well (right now) but Lulu understands her pretty well..

Then we would get this:
"Sorry that I've used you as a pawn till the end, though I didn't like it..."

Lol the infamous NephriteXNaru ending in Sailor Moon anime

"I've been lying to you till the end..."

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

[B][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]
*Hopes it happens, for the sake of getting a speculation right*

*Headshot the emperor*

I like the idea that "Kallen was sick of her popularity" but...no. I will not like to see her kill him, it will mean that they screw with a part of her devellopment if she is finally the one to pull the trigger >_<
She is going to be in the same situation than in Kaminejima; The last time, she runs away cause she was fooled by Lelouch's mask, this time, she must rip off his last mask before it's too late :/

And it's getting tiring to see her being hated by Lelouch's lovers/Suzaku's lovers/CluClu's lovers.
I want to see her shinning and fooling all those who called her stupid or bitch. Tsss, irrational.

Wow...this pic prove that logic is with us one more time. How could Lelouch resists to such a beauty !

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

*Headshot the emperor*

I like the idea that "Kallen was sick of her popularity" but...no. I will not like to see her kill him, it will mean that they screw with a part of her devellopment if she is finally the one to pull the trigger >_<
She is going to be in the same situation than in Kaminejima; The last time, she runs away cause she was fooled by Lelouch's mask, this time, she must rip off his last mask before it's too late :/

And it's getting tiring to see her being hated by Lelouch's lovers/Suzaku's lovers/CluClu's lovers.
I want to see her shinning and fooling all those who called her stupid or bitch. Tsss, irrational.

I'm a hard-core Fatalist.

[dec4rhapsody]

LOL we are getting too optimistic.
What if she joins C.C. in the ocean this weekend?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by dec4rhapsody

LOL we are getting too optimistic.
What if she joins C.C. in the ocean this weekend?

The shield should catch her..... for fry her.....

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

I'm a hard-core Fatalist.

Pfff I don't want to see the worst. To know that she isn't going to bear is baby is already a shame -_-

dec4 : Optipimistic ? After the last turn, I will not even be surprised to learn that finally Charles gave Lelouch is death before his death and so on...I just hope that Taniguchi retrieved his good mind (translation ; that the effects of the drugs he took between Turn 20/24 fades up) during the last Turn creation

Bah ALL HAIL KALULU ! That's all what we need to say.

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

Pfff I don't want to see the worst. To know that she isn't going to bear is baby is already a shame -_-

dec4 : Optipimistic ? After the last turn, I will not even be surprised to learn that finally Charles gave Lelouch is death before his death and so on...I just hope that Taniguchi retrieved his good mind (translation ; that the effects of the drugs he took between Turn 20/24 fades up) during the last Turn creation

Bah ALL HAIL KALULU ! That's all what we need to say.

LOL, do people evah die in CG?(I feel bad for Rollo and Shirley and Clovis and Euphie...)


BTW, I do want Kallen to beat Suzaku into the ocean (yeah, he can be fished aboard by C.C.), though Suzaku was my fav. male character before Turn 21...

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by dec4rhapsody

LOL, do people evah die in CG?(I feel bad for Rollo and Shirley and Clovis and Euphie...)


BTW, I do want Kallen to beat Suzaku into the ocean (yeah, he can be fished aboard by C.C.), though Suzaku was my fav. male character before Turn 21...

Hey they looks like each other, they should have the luck to retrieve each other in the sea
I don't think Kallen will beat Suzaku, I see more a sort of duel until the end of their last KMF pieces; If Suzaku beats Kallen, it will sucks really, at this state they are at the same level, even if his live geass is a help (But Kallen has the "Live on" from Lelouch :P If she wasn't pissed off about him, she could use the power of love to win mwahahahahaha )

They are going to end up together in Damocles and the S1 parallel will be full. Lelouch, Suzaku and Kallen, there because of Nunally.

But CC is certainly going to show up...but how ?New WTF ?

[dec4rhapsody]

OK, since weird and distressful scenarios keep popping up in my head...

One fundamental question:

Was Lelouch pushing Kallen (away) out of the plan (or part of the plan)?

If the latter is true, she will inevitably get to see him, which would be probably leading to a...rather depressing end (to me).

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by dec4rhapsody

OK, since weird and distressful scenarios keep popping up in my head...

One fundamental question:

Was Lelouch pushing Kallen (away) out of the plan (or part of the plan)?

If the latter is true, she will inevitably get to see him, which would probably leading to a...rather depressing end (to me).

During Turn 21, Lelouch confronted his parents and reminds a line from CC "You should have tendancies to push away your loved ones" or something along this line; Add to this CC's line from sound episode about the fact that he will never involve an important girl to him and watch Turn 22.

Zero Requiem must be accomplished while travelling by a demon path, and with the "Live on" things, it seems that he simply didn't want to involve her in his plan.
I don't think he really has some plan for her in Zero requiem...

It was pretty much crazy to push her away BTW. He should know her since the time, and know she would do everything to stop him :'o

But Maybe he planned everything -_- After all, he is even able to foreshadow a discussion with Schneizel

I can see that in the end "JUST AS PLANNED MWAHAHAHAHA"
...

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by dec4rhapsody

OK, since weird and distressful scenarios keep popping up in my head...

One fundamental question:

Was Lelouch pushing Kallen (away) out of the plan (or part of the plan)?

If the latter is true, she will inevitably get to see him, which would be probably leading to a...rather depressing end (to me).

i already posted my statment that this is a question that MUST BE ANSWERED
i will repost since back then most of you were offline

Spoiler for txt:

what i want to know is why so many people are saying that there is not need for a resolution between lelouch and kallen about his actions regarding her
even if you arent a kalulu fan or even a kallen fan there is still a very importent question that needs to be answered
as a LELOUCH fan
possibly as importent as the details of ZERO R (depends on who you ask)
why didnt he tell her about it or ask her to join him
why not even tell her something like "you'll understand in time" or "i cant tell you,but if you ever believed in me then trust me that its for the best" just to give her some doubts about fighting him
why did he intentionaly make sure that she would not be on his side (he started puting up the act of not knowing her as soon as he saw her) and wouldnt have any problems fighting against him

assuming that zero requiem is a good thing that kallen would agree with (and i know those people who bitch about her must think that she would, becouse otherwise why do you complain about her opposing him )
then hes actions in ep 22 make no sense what so ever from a purely stratigic stand point

why would lelouch willingly (and intentionaly) see to it that the most powerfull machine that the OOBK have and the only pilot in the world who could threathen suzaku and his new albion doesnt join him (he doesnt even bother trying to get her to, from the very first words he tells her)

considerin that
1)even lelouch himself acknowlges that kallen is 100% loyal to him personally (and her actions in 19 only cement it more)
2)he clearly has no problems at all trusting her (he leaves ChiChi in her care)nor does he feel any antipathy for her (nor has he a real reason to,she was the one OOBK member who didnt betray him)
3)shes the only member of the OOBK who still is willing to hear him out (she even comes out and asks him what he plans to do)
4)he has no problems with having other people involved in the plan be they close friends and allies (C.C, suzaku) loyal servents (jeremia,sayoko) and even complete strangers (Lloyd cecile) hell he even drags (drags, not ask but drags) nina into his plan (and she has every right in the world to hate him,and tried to knife him before)
5)the ZERO requiem plan is clearly so importent that he is ready to fight and possibly kill nunnaly for it
when considering these facts one has to wonder about his actions in ep 22 then
wherther you like kallen or not you have to wonder why lelouch would commit such a blander (that even he wasnt happy about in ep 22)
why would lelouch who is famus for planning ahead,making up wild strategies and taking every advantage he can get to win
why then would he willingly do something that could only be called either odd (if you really want to be nice) or more accuratly be discribed as "pants on head" retarded (if you dont) from a stratigic POV

most of the fans are assuming that its becouse he wanted to keep her out of it for her own good (for a given value of good)
but if this question is not addressed and answered next ep then whether he wins or loses becouse of her his actions in regards to her remain as i stated before
pants on head retarded

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

During Turn 21, Lelouch confronted his parents and reminds a line from CC "You should have tendancies to push away your loved ones" or something along this line; Add to this CC's line from sound episode about the fact that he will never involve an important girl to him and watch Turn 22.

Zero Requiem must be accomplished while travelling by a demon path, and with the "Live on" things, it seems that he simply didn't want to involve her in his plan.
I don't think he really has some plan for her in Zero requiem...

It was pretty much crazy to push her away BTW. He should know her since the time, and know she would do everything to stop him :'o

But Maybe he planned everything -_- After all, he is even able to foreshadow a discussion with Schneizel

I can see that in the end "JUST AS PLANNED MWAHAHAHAHA"
...

Kallen as the one to carry out Zero Requiem (literally, she pulling the trigger) and declare victory over Zero?
The one to utter the keyline? (Would be pretty much resembling Hilde declaring Reinhald's death in Legend of Galactic Heroes to some extend. Though I can also see Kaguya doing this...)

It's also possible that she willingly let go of him in the end. (And then we have CluClu running off)

[linkinstreet]

Keikaku Doori. Somehow I can just imagine Lelouch saying that lol
Anyways, even IF lelouch might end up an immortal and stays away, there is still a chance for Kallen to make him her secret husband lol. Nothing beats having a wife that is loyal to you hiding you from everyone.

[dec4rhapsody]

計画通り or 計算通り....at the end would make Lelouch No1 in the manipulative bastards list...
If that's the case I'll feel bad for my Kallen-tan.


Blade...sigh.....I do agree with you.

Remember that ZR-plan was formed after the "live on" line and before the second Sayonara.

Spoiler for stealing a screenshot from ays900-sama:

He was biting his lips when Kallen was asking him what he and Suzaku were up to.

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

Spoiler for txt:

what i want to know is why so many people are saying that there is not need for a resolution between lelouch and kallen about his actions regarding her
even if you arent a kalulu fan or even a kallen fan there is still a very importent question that needs to be answered
as a LELOUCH fan
possibly as importent as the details of ZERO R (depends on who you ask)
why didnt he tell her about it or ask her to join him
why not even tell her something like "you'll understand in time" or "i cant tell you,but if you ever believed in me then trust me that its for the best" just to give her some doubts about fighting him
why did he intentionaly make sure that she would not be on his side (he started puting up the act of not knowing her as soon as he saw her) and wouldnt have any problems fighting against him

assuming that zero requiem is a good thing that kallen would agree with (and i know those people who bitch about her must think that she would, becouse otherwise why do you complain about her opposing him )
then hes actions in ep 22 make no sense what so ever from a purely stratigic stand point

why would lelouch willingly (and intentionaly) see to it that the most powerfull machine that the OOBK have and the only pilot in the world who could threathen suzaku and his new albion doesnt join him (he doesnt even bother trying to get her to, from the very first words he tells her)

considerin that
1)even lelouch himself acknowlges that kallen is 100% loyal to him personally (and her actions in 19 only cement it more)
2)he clearly has no problems at all trusting her (he leaves ChiChi in her care)nor does he feel any antipathy for her (nor has he a real reason to,she was the one OOBK member who didnt betray him)
3)shes the only member of the OOBK who still is willing to hear him out (she even comes out and asks him what he plans to do)
4)he has no problems with having other people involved in the plan be they close friends and allies (C.C, suzaku) loyal servents (jeremia,sayoko) and even complete strangers (Lloyd cecile) hell he even drags (drags, not ask but drags) nina into his plan (and she has every right in the world to hate him,and tried to knife him before)
5)the ZERO requiem plan is clearly so importent that he is ready to fight and possibly kill nunnaly for it
when considering these facts one has to wonder about his actions in ep 22 then
wherther you like kallen or not you have to wonder why lelouch would commit such a blander (that even he wasnt happy about in ep 22)
why would lelouch who is famus for planning ahead,making up wild strategies and taking every advantage he can get to win
why then would he willingly do something that could only be called either odd (if you really want to be nice) or more accuratly be discribed as "pants on head" retarded (if you dont) from a stratigic POV

most of the fans are assuming that its becouse he wanted to keep her out of it for her own good (for a given value of good)
but if this question is not addressed and answered next ep then whether he wins or loses becouse of her his actions in regards to her remain as i stated before
pants on head retarded

Maybe he's just being pragmatic?

If he told her and she believed that what he was doing to be a good thing then shes faced with the dilema to either:

1. Side with him and eventually have to face(and kill) her old friends and comrades if they oppose the plan and can't be convinced(since he has geass and from their perspective kallen is acting OOC its very likely).

Or

2.Fight against the person she loves even though hes trying to make the world better and to make matters she doesn't even have the consolation of hating him for what he's doing since she agrees with it in principle.

Either way she would be in an impossible position so Lelouch just decides to not tell her and act like a jerk in front of her to ease her burden.