2011-09-02, 15:12 | Link #1042 | |
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But he and others are calling it as it is. Whether you disagree or not, people have thoughts and those can be changed eventually. You can't fault people not being satisfied. See, some of us would rather not fanboy over certain directors and concentrate on the show itself. I'm really sorry that some of us can't comprehend the genius and are slower, but if the show is really that great, then it'll prove itself and their minds are changed. If it doesn't... what can it do? The first use of an anime is to entertain, and you're basically saying "Stop complaining about not having fun!" It's nice that you and others are able to appreciate this. But please realize that not others feel the same way; the way you're posting makes it feel like you're worrying about his lack of enjoyment is somehow corroding your enjoyment. Assuming it's all part of the plan and everything will unfold perfectly is also making too many assumptions. For some of us, the show must prove its value before we can give it that kind of credit, and thus people are calling it out on what they've seen too far. Personally, I like the show. But when addressing people who aren't impressed, you're using a worthless argument. You can't give credit to stuff people haven't done yet (future episodes). TL;DR It's up to the anime to prove itself to the viewers
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2011-09-02, 15:15 | Link #1043 |
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I'm not even sure whether I want Sho to live or die. He's my absolute favorite character and I'd love for his smiling face and incredibly kind soul to stay around, but if he died he'd make the plot so interesting. Not saying it already is, but it'd just make things really moving after the Himari episode next week and things will get serious like Kanba's seiyuu said they would in a few eps. I'M CONFUSED IDK. I think he's gonna die though, perfect timing for a sense of emergency and I feel like the whole cake splatter that looked a bit like blood thing and him being in the same position at Tabuki's house on the table REALLY foreshadowed him getting hit on the head, which means he's most likely not going to live. SHO WHY.
I used to hate Ringo, but she makes things really interesting for me, so I can't say that I entirely dislike her. I tend to like characters with that kind of depth and everything. Idk. My opinion on her is mixed. Btw, just to make sure uh, did she see her dad cheating on her mom or? I got confused at that part, tbh.
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2011-09-02, 15:20 | Link #1044 | |
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2011-09-02, 15:22 | Link #1045 |
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Awww, I wish I could give Shouma a big hug, because his concern for Ringo was simply adorable =03(no homo). As someone already said, she's hit the bottom of the barrel on the crazy chart. I can't see her doing anything worse than poisoning Tabuki's food to make a baby with him while he's sleeping. Well, she could come to some conclusion and end up killing him, then herself. Despite her previous antics, I'd be surprised if she goes that far. And now that the diary is torn in half, I think her connection to Momoka will dwindle a little. I knew she had to lose that diary in some way if she was ever going to move on, but I didn't think it'd happen at the same time other events took place(Shou + car). Some people say they'd rather see Kanba in action, but I'd like to see Ringo get a bit of closure and stability(hopefully with Shou's help ) before moving on.
And on another note, I've never seen Utena, nor do I know about this director, but I really don't see the point in comparing works with a 10 year difference time frame with each other, esp when its premise isn't really the same. This whole 'Ikuhara" talk is kinda annoying really. It's alright to reference his/her style in context to what is happening in the show, but when it permeates most of the discussion over the actual content of the episodes, it makes for a boring, pointless read =0\. edit: I forgot to mention how I loved Himari in this episode working out and punching with those huge boxing gloves (^,^). Moments like these makes it hard to choose whether I like penguin hat Himari over the regular one(I'm going with the latter =03). Last edited by frubam; 2011-09-02 at 15:33. |
2011-09-02, 15:35 | Link #1047 |
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Finally watched Episode 8 of this (I had to wait on gg subs as nutbladder's didn't work for me).
After watching it... I can understand Guardian Enzo's critiques, but I also think I see where Ikuhara is going with Ringo specifically, and MPD in general. Next episode is absolutely key for MPD, and especially for Ringo's character, imo. My view is that Ringo's character has been taken right to the line here. Her yandere eccentricity has blossomed into full-out, non-stop insanity. Ringo is deeply disturbingly delusional. She's genuinely crazy. I don't mean "crazy" as in someone who simply acts very theatrically, and/or you can't perceive the method to his/her madness. Nor do I mean "crazy" in the sense of "evil beyond belief". Ringo is crazy in the sense that she has completely divorced herself from reality, and is living in a dream world that perceives reality through a massive distortion on a fun-house mirror. Episode 8 has definitely demonstrated the depths of Ringo's psychological decay. I think that at this point, one of three things should happen: 1. Ringo "flames out", as she does in the OP. In other words, she becomes a tragic figure meeting with a tragic end. 2. Ringo begins to snap out of it. Shoma's potentially lethal accident is much of the catalyst for this. She begins the road to recovery, and takes on a new role in the near future. 3. A major "game changer" comes into play, one that actually enables Ringo to win over Tabuki. An obvious example of this would be Yuri being removed from the equation somehow (death, coma, etc...). This is the trickiest of the three options, though, and hence not my personal favorite of the three. If Ringo is back to fruitlessly pursuing Tabuki next episode... then Ikuhara has frankly overplayed his hand. Such a hopeless pursuit is now very much played out. That plot-line has been taken as far as it can before tediousness and pointless repetition sets in. However, that plot-line has been skillfully used to bring Ringo to the very edge and peak; Ikuhara has set the stage for a great moment of high drama here if he executes it well (think of how Gen Urobuchi handled Sayaka Miki). Ringo either now ascends to victory, or crashes spectacularly, or is pulled back from the brink of the abyss. To bring her to this point only to have her run around in circles would be a horrible waste, and highly counter-productive. So, if MPD is the truly great anime that many believe it to be, then I think next episode will be a major turning point, or a tragic ending, for Ringo. However, if Ringo continues to be used as she's been the past few episodes, then Ikuhara will have badly misplayed his hand, and my assessment of MPD's narrative strength will drop considerably. With all of the above being said, I can't really judge Episode 8 yet. I will say I loved the Western-themed bit: That was pretty cool and amusing. The ending of the episode was also very good. But how good Episode 8 is as a whole will depend, in my view, on what happens in Episode 9. After Episode 9, I think I'll know if MPD is deserving of the hype that surrounds it or not.
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2011-09-02, 15:41 | Link #1049 |
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I'm not sure which I find more zany at this point. Ringo's steadfast dedication to boning her teacher, or people's stubborn dedication to "protecting" the legacy of Utena and Ikuhara.
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2011-09-02, 15:43 | Link #1051 | |
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Ringo is representative of his dedicated fans. Ringo is the ultimate fangirl, basically. I love Ringo, so no hate please.
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2011-09-02, 15:47 | Link #1052 | |
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2011-09-02, 15:59 | Link #1055 | |
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Frankly if you ask me the atmosphere surrounding Ikuhara's mystique has become more than a little overbearing and today it essentially boiled over as someone dared to challenge the validity of it as it relates to Mawaru Penguindrum. Personally I don't understand why the show can't just be allowed to speak for itself and be gauged on that level by the viewers posting in this thread, Ikuhara and Utena's legacy be damned. |
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2011-09-02, 15:59 | Link #1056 |
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Lol RIngo tried to rape Tabuki twice. Tough for her to see her father moving on, her whole world is crashign down. Shoma had the best line, finally some one told her straight. Maybe Kanba stole half of the diary. Why did Shoma take the hit for her after that great line.
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Switching to a Himari-centric episode right after how Ringo has been developed up to this point, would be one of the absolute worst cases of drama handling that I've ever seen. Bringing Ringo to where she is now, and then just leaving her there to focus entirely on another character next week would be a horrible mistake, imo. Quote:
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It's certainly not necessary to have seen the older works, but they do work as useful frames of reference.
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2011-09-02, 16:32 | Link #1059 | |
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Personally, I'm looking forwards to seeing Himari's reaction when she finds out what happened to Shouma. It's going to be pretty crazy.
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2011-09-02, 16:41 | Link #1060 | |
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I'm curious as to how you and Midnight Bliss know this, though. Is this being spoiled in magazines a la Tiger and Bunny?
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