Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Tempest Dynasty

Haa... that'd be a bit unfair, wouldn't it? That way, Hayate would be closer to a Mary Sue than a believable character. Everyone's got to have some sort of weakness...

I do remember Dizzy from Guilty Gear being turned into a Mary Sue in a big Street fighter x King of Fighters x Garou 4 x Guilty Gear crossover.

Orochi wanted her as his wife for some reason. And while Justice, resurrected and upgraded by NESTS Cartel, were slaughtering the whole Street fighter cast with the dark god, she was hiding in closet, wtf.

And she saves the day after having... gasp... awakened her Orochi blood. Oh right, there were Nakoruru, supposedly to be related to Orochi too.

(Orochi has become a running joke in KoF fandom as an excuse to explain why x or y KoF Sue is here).

EDIT: Oh, and the author has an unhealthy fascination for kimonos. Dizzy always seems to be wearing one at one point of his stories. Not to mention..... "Dizzy-chan ^_^"

EDIT 2: I have found the MSTs of two of this guy's Dizzy fic

http://www.angelfire.com/ne/Edgey/Gu.../Msting032.txt

http://www.angelfire.com/ne/Edgey/Gu.../Msting033.txt

Laugh and be horrified

Spoiler for Page claimed for Oujo-sama:

[Comartemis]

That's a completely different case. There is canon evidence that Hayate does--or at least should--have at least passable melee skills since she's copied the spells of Nanoha, Fate, and the Wolkenritter as well as countless other mages the Wolks drained during their rampage in A's. All she has to do to round herself out is take some basic training with Signum or Vita every now and then to get the basics of actual melee combat down and her spell list--assuming she's practicing with a well-rounded spell list like she most likely will be in Comacanon--should go a great distance to doing the rest.

But Dizzy having Orochi blood? Oh come on, that's just lame, not to mention patently ridiculous.

[stormturmoil]

The trouble is, the nature of melee fighting means there is no such thing as merely 'passable' - you're either an expert or you're dead.

and Hayate's no expert. Power is meaningless in a melee against any opponent of real skill - they'll simply use their skills to turn it against you...of course, the reverse can also be true...

hence why David, even under his limit Breaker: Catalyst, with every enhancement imaginable boosted to the very bleeding edge of what's humanly survivable, Cannot beat Signum or Fate in a melee fight - his power is worthless against someone who's skill simply let's them turn it back against itself...

I strongly suspect the same would also be true of Hayate, suggesting that she either uses her power to let her survive just long enough to open up some range and cut loose, or can spam some kind of area of effect attack centered on herself that can blow away enemies (for SRW fans, think Cybuster's Cyflash)

[Sheba]

Hayate could be able to pull moves like Anubis' "Zero Shift" to escape from melee powerhouses or pixies (lol Marvel vs Capcom 2 lingo!) and get back to her favored range. Powers based on manipulation of space are not against canon, arent they?

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

*prods Kha from Frostwolf*

*prods Eva back from Crushridge*

Come on, I need more 70s for OCST in order to look vaguely like a raiding guild in future! My pally and soon to be PT'd rogue is not enough! And LE is another pally! Need Hunter to MD boss to me until Blizz decide to give me a goddamn Taunt!

Originally Posted by Keroko

...

Spoiler for Exempt from episode 18:

"I said I'd be her mother, that I'd protect her. But I couldn't be by her side, I couldn't protect her."

Fate moved to embrace her distressed friend, but before her arms reached Nanoha-

-TWACK!-

....


Silence reigned supreme, and Fate stared in shock and surprise as the broom that had just smacked Nanoha's head moved away.

"Mataku, what kind of pathetic girl are you? A little bad thing happens and you go to pieces. What happened to your spine? Do I need to cram it back in?"

Fate was at a loss for words as she stared at the blond girl dressed in what looked like a... black witch costume? She even had a broom, which was currently tapping against her shoulder in frustration as her purple eyes glared at Nanoha.

Speaking of Nanoha... Fate turned to her friend. Nanoha was also staring at the intruder with shock, but her shock was different, her eyes were wide, and her mouth open trying to form words... did she know this person?

"Shi- shishou-sama?"

...

Wait.

Roll back.

"MASTER!?" Fate yelled out in shock.

...

Gah! Crack! Go away! I don't even know a thing about Touhou, why is this crack assaulting me!?

You moved within 12" of a Khrack Squad, allowing them to Assault you.

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

YOSH!!! FINALLY!!!

Chapter 12 of Riot Force 6 is now for your reading pleasure, with pure unadulterated grammar errors and no revisions XD

Spoiler for MGLN Riot Force 6:

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Riot Force 6
Chapter XII New Line

“I swear, that Hayato is an idiot,” Syn grumbled from her bed.

“Syn, are you still going on about that?” Vivio asked coming out of the bathroom as she towelled her hair dry.

“That’s because he is!” Syn declared, and sat on the bed cross-legged. “I mean who in their right mind would honestly get their device blown up on mission like that?!”

“Syn,” Vivio sighed, sitting down next to the girl, “it wasn’t his fault.”

“He should’ve kept better care of it,” Syn mumbled, opting to rest her chin in the palm of one hand, while the other idly twirled locks of her ultramarine hair. “I mean even I could’ve taken better care of that device. But now look at it! One’s just scrap metal, and the other looked like it had gone to hell and died!

“And what was up with that some platoon officer? Did he have some sort of stick shoved up his ass? He was a jackass, that’s what! Talking to Lanstar-san like that, I mean c’mon!”

Vivio simply sighed and listened as Syn launched into a tirade. Her complaints ranged from Hayato’s performance, to Ryoutaro hiding his rank, to how the Belkarangers were utter goofballs in great length, to many other things Vivio didn’t really bother to remember or really make out. But despite it all, she found comfort in just listening to the girl talk. It was usually how their days went whenever they had down time: Syn would make some snide comment of some sorts, and then she in turn would try to reason her out of it, which would lead from one thing to another until she would launch into a tirade. The end result was that she would end up going for minutes on end talking about anything and everything that bothered her.

But to Vivio, it was something she enjoyed. For the most part. It was more the idea that she could just hangout with her best friend, even if it was in a one-sided conversation. Back home on base, the two of them would just situate themselves on or under a tree together, and spend whatever break they had idly talking about anything, or it was Vivio listening to Syn rant her heart out.

Letting out a sigh, Vivio sat behind Syn and leaned against her back, and closed her eyes, and simply let Syn’s voice fill the room.

“What you happy about?” Syn asked, raising an eyebrow at the sudden expression of content. Vivio simply shrugged at the question, content with just simply leaning against her best friend.

“Bah, whatever,” Syn muttered and continued to idly twirled her hair in her one hand. “So what you think of those weirdo Belkarangers?”

“I like them,” Vivio answered back much to Syn’s displeasure. Her immediate response was some form of a garbled chocking sound.

Whipping around, she forcibly turned her friend around and grabbed her by the shoulders. “Are you nuts?! You actually like those weirdoes?! I mean seriously, who in their right mind would actually go out of their way, in the middle of a battle I might add, and do all those weird poses and theatrics, WHEN THEY SHOULD BE FIGHTING?! At the rate they’re going, they’re going to get killed!”

“S-Syn,” Vivio mumbled, taken aback by her sudden outburst. “It’s-it’s not like I have anything against them…”

“But…but…” Syn sputtered, still aback by the fact that Vivio actually liked the group. Groaning in utter annoyance, she flopped onto her back and grabbed her head. “Mou…I just don’t get you!” she exclaimed, and began to launch into another rant that was focused in its totality on the Belkarangers, not that Vivio minded. Simply sighing, Vivio simply sat cross-legged, propped her chin in her hands and listened. Almost 6 years and counting of joy and friendship, and she wouldn’t trade it for anything.

In the meeting room, a discussion between the senior officers of RF6 took place.

“So, that’s the case huh?” Farukon asked, leaning against the wall as he looked at the screens displaying Chrono’s, Hayate’s, Tesla’s, and Carim’s faces.

“Yeah,” Chrono sighed. “The fact that there may be some discord among the other units against you guys, along with the higher ups may cause some issues in the foreseeable future.”

“It’s not surprising,” Farukon sighed. “Politics always had, and always will work that way.”

“It seems that way,” Hayate sighed.

“So…how is this going to work out?” Keroko asked.

“Loan the teams,” Tesla stated, earning surprised looks from some of those present.

“Excuse me?” Keroko asked.

“The most sure-fire way to prevent permanent separation, would be to assign the team to other units, rendering assistance, but can be recalled whenever necessary,” Tesla explained. “Administratively, we would be registered as a member of Mobile Unit Riot Force 6, however, any active teams presently not undergoing training will be assigned to other units for periods of time.”

“So only a few teams will stay behind, while everyone else is out on the field?” Keroko asked.

“That’s the plan,” Chrono sighed again, rubbing his temples. “Hopefully this will get some heat off you guys.”

“It should help,” Farukon commented from his spot. “If other units get a chance to be joined by members of this elite unit, it might help with relations. Sharing the wealth as it were.”

“Precisely,” said Tesla, and activated a screen displaying the present roster of the various team configurations. “At the moment, we have three teams, Stars, Lightning, and my team which will be re-designated as Blitz.” Taping a few more buttons, the display shifted so that only the captains of the three teams, along with the Wolkenritter sans Tesla and Shamal, and Keroko were displayed.

“However, chances are head office won’t be too happy if the Wolkenritter and the Aces were stationed at the same base for any given length of time, so this is what I have come up with to maximise our fighting potential, along with allowing our forces to be spread out equally. Right now, I have reassigned all high-ranking members as unit commanders, which will also include these two.” Immediately two more faces appeared among the roster, “1st Lt. Himemiya Chikane and 1st Lt. Kurusugawa Himeko will be command Lunar and Solar teams respectively.

“The general configuration and disbursement of the teams will work as follows: Stars, Lightning, and Blitz will all be reduced to 4-person teams. Rue will be reassigned as assistant instructor. Vita and Signum will be relegated to team captain duties, each assigned to their own teams, as well as Keroko. Myself, have been reassigned to Long Arch. To fill in the missing gap in Stars, we will be assigning an additional member to fill in. We will also be assigning members to Sword, Hammer, Fang, Rouge, Solar, and Lunar squads, based on varying profiles that we have gathered from the recent graduates, along with prospective graduates.

“Each team member will be observed by the team captains to ascertain whether or not the candidates will be selected for additional screening and observations, before finally being inducted into the unit.”

“Wait up,” Farukon stated before Tesla could continue, “if Rue’s assigned as assistant instructor, who fills out the role as head instructor? I know in the original line-up, Nanoha and Keroko filled out that role with Vita assisting, but the manner Stars and Lightning had operated is completely different to how the teams operate now. With Nanoha and Keroko having to train their teams, what would be the point of having Rue as assistant instructor?”

“Quite simple,” Tesla stated. “In terms of the disbursement, Stars and Rouge will alternate in terms of who stays and goes. In short, there will always be a Takamachi on base at all times. In terms of training, for the duration of approximately 12 weeks, Lightning and Blitz squads will be out on active duty, while all remaining captains will be spending that time scouting and assembling their teams.

“In that time, Nanoha and Keroko, with Rue’s assistance, will start training the new recruits to meet RF6’s basic standards, where then the captains will take over and start training their teams to meet their roles in their teams. This will be in a 12 week span.” Mulling it over in their heads, everyone agreed that it was the best plan of action present.

“So are we in agreement?” Hayate asked from her end. “To recap, the teams will be restructured, and we will start recruiting additional mages for assignment into our…” taking a moment she quickly counted off the amount of teams, “eight teams. Once recruited, they will spend a certain amount of time with Nanoha and Keroko, with Rue’s assistance, before being assigned to their teams where they well undergo additional training needed, before finally being assigned on missions. During this time, Lightning and Blitz will be on missions for approximately 12 weeks to accommodate the training time that the new recruits will need.”

“Exactly,” Tesla stated.

“Sounds reasonable,” Chrono commented. “It should do for now. At least until we can come up with a more permanent ops order for you guys.”

“There’s just one thing left we have to talk about then,” Vita added, earning surprised glances from everyone present.

“What’s that, Vita-chan?” Nanoha asked, earning an amused smirk from the shortest of present company.

“Who are the kids we’re picking out?”

In the mess hall, Rue simply sighed as she quietly ate. The day had been quite stressful. Thankfully, the mission had gone off with very minor setbacks. Despite the fact that Hayato’s device had exploded and the Logia was completely sealed with no means of opening it, overall the mission had been a complete success.

“Now if there was someone I could talk to,” she idly muttered. When she had entered the mess hall for dinner, she had been hoping that she would be able to talk to Evangeline. Unfortunately, she was no where to be found putting a dampening on her mood somewhat. However, her hunger had superseded her disappointment, so she was now quietly eating her dinner all by her lonesome.

“You can’t have everything,” she sighed stuffing a forkful of salad in her mouth. A family series of clicking and buzzes greeted her ears, as out of the corner of her eye SaSword climbed onto the table and headed straight for its side of the table. Raising an eyebrow, Rue looked to her right to see Evangeline approach her, a tray of food in hand.

“Ma’am,” Rue politely greeted, despite the pleased expression that she knew was plastered all over her face. Evangeline simply smiled in return before sitting down and joining her. This response somewhat deflated her mood, but didn’t deter her from continuing to try and befriend the officer. For a while, the two did nothing but sit in silence and eat, much to Rue’s chagrin. However, she did learn one thing: Evangeline was definitely one of those kinds of people that she didn’t want to mess with. The way she carried herself, from her squared shoulders to her straight back, right down from the way she walked to the distinctive cadence in her walk, all pointed to the fact that she was a powerful opponent in combat, and a scary officer to be disciplined by in the office. Despite her silent disposition, Rue could see the inner officer within.

“So…how was your day?” Rue eventually asked, knowing that sooner or later, their conversation would have to get going. However, since Evangeline didn’t seem like she was going to take the initiative, she would have to get the conversation swinging. She hoped.

“Uneventful,” she stated sighed, followed by a long pause that Rue thought that was all so had to say. “But it comes with the being only temporarily assigned to a ship, I guess,” she added, much to Rue’s relief. “It gets boring somewhat when I’m mostly in my quarters, or in the rooms I am permitted to access, since I’m not part of the crew.”

“I guess,” said Rue. “Yeah it does get boring, especially if you’re mission is completed.” Evangeline simply hummed in agreement. “Oh by the way, I wanted to ask you something.”

“Then ask,” Evangeline stated.

“Do you know of a Captain Nogami Ryoutaro?” Rue asked, in which Evangeline raised an eyebrow to Rue’s question.

“Quite well actually,” she answered. “I’m also familiar with his wife; Belka Yellow is one of her call signs I believe.” It was Rue’s turn to raise an eyebrow, in disbelief.

“I…I see…”

“You’ve met them?” Evangeline asked.

“Met them, trained by them, did a mission with them…yeah…” Rue awkwardly answered, to which she simply got an amused laugh from the older woman.

“They can be a handful at times, the Belkas,” she remarked, her amused grin never leaving. “Although there are times I wonder if there will be anyone who could possibly fill Asagi’s heart, and stand her antics.”

“You and me both,” Rue grumbled.

“I venture that they’ve left…quite the impression,” said Evangeline, now eyeing Rue in amusement.

“Let’s just say…It was quite the impression, and introduction,” Rue muttered, knowing quite well that one of her eyebrows was twitching from the memory. Evangeline couldn’t help but laugh at Rue’s expression. It was one of extreme annoyance, clearly directed towards the Belkarangers and their unique means of expressing themselves.

“It takes a while,” Evangeline chortled, trying to keep herself under control. Rue simply sighed as the topic of the conversation eventually began to drift and wander throughout their dinner. Throughout it all, Rue couldn’t help but wear a bright smile on her face.

A new friend had been made for sure.

Back on Mid-Childa, Hayate sighed and leaned back into her desk. Work was horrible today. With the trip off from Chrono a few days prior, Hayate and Rein had been spending following days working to rework and revise the ops order of the unit. It was just a stroke of luck that Tesla had returned from her mission, and had helped her out plan out the unit’s operations, so that it would allow them to keep their friends together in a legitimate manner, and to also maintain the right to have them as part of the unit.

And with that meeting with all the parties involved over just less than 30 minutes ago, she was hungry. All she wanted to do now was leave her office, and have lunch with Shamal and Rein.

Then her intercom buzzed.

“So much for lunch,” Hayate comically wept before answer the call. “Yes?”

“1st Lt.’s Himemiya, and Kurusugawa are here ma’am,” said her secretary.

“Send them in,” Hayate said.

“Yes ma’am.”

Turning her attention towards Rein, she put on a bit of a sheepish smile and said, “Ano…Rein…”

“It’s alright,” Rein answered, putting away the rest of her folders. “Shamal will understand.”

“Thank you Rein,” Hayate sighed. “I’ll make it up to you two tonight. I promise.”

“Hai desu,” Rein stated before floating off towards the door, which opened up revealing two people who promptly made their way entering. Saluting in respect to the two, they returned the salute before resuming their approach towards Hayate.

With the door closing, Hayate looked at the two officers as they saluted her.

“1st Lt. Himemiya Chikane, ma’am,” said the first person.

“1st Lt. Kurusugawa Himeko, ma’am,” said the other.

Getting up, Hayate returned the salute. “Welcome to Lost Property Riot Force 6 ladies. Would you like to join me for lunch?”

Three passed since the mission. With the Belkarangers going back to their own place of residence, and Evangeline and Ryoutaro returning to their posts, Stars, Lightning, and Hammer squads trudged back towards their barracks where they had simply headed straight back to their quarters, dumped their stuff, and fell into their beds. Most of them anyhow.

Bored now that the mission was over, Agito aimlessly floated around base. Unfortunately, Signum was with the teams attempting to pry open the Logia, leaving her without much of anything else to do. Hayate and Rein were in their office, Vita had disappeared off somewhere and same with Zafira, and Shamal was busy tending to Hayato’s burned hands.

“What’s there to do?” she grumbled. Loosening the tie around her uniform (much to her chagrin) she let out a sigh of relief, glad that the restricting piece of clothing was no longer bound around her neck. She needed a new shirt, which was surprising, since last time she checked she didn’t grow.

“I hate the new regs,” she sighed. When the unit had reformed, the new uniform standards had also been changed. Up until recently, they had been using the old uniforms. But now although they wore the same colours, the configuration was completely different. Proper ties were worn around their necks now. Also, ranks were to be clearly sown on the right sleeve (on the upper rank for Enlisted and NCO and on the cuffs for officers) along with any qualifications which ranged from first aid, to Mage Rank on the lower part of their sleeves. On the left fore arm was the squad insignia. They were also to wear the shoulder flashes of their units on both shoulders.

Despite all that, the one thing that bothered her was the fact that she had to wear a tie.

Quietly grumbling to herself, she mindlessly floated around base before coming to a decision to head off towards the water-side of the base and simply look out at the ocean. Not much of a view, but it was better than nothing.

Landing on a tree branch, Agito got comfortable on her spot and prepared to take a nap. That was before noticing a pair of quiet voices below. Glancing down, she nearly choked in surprise at what she saw below her.

Caro and Lutecia making out.

And unfortunately for her, it was quite heated. Despite their clothed state, Lutecia was on top of Caro as their hands were feeling one another. Hands fervently explored one another’s bodies, to the point they looked like they just wanted to rip one another’s clothing off.

“I’m gone,” Agito muttered before quickly flying off back towards base before she saw anything that would end up being engrained into her mind.

The following day, Stars, Lightning, Hammer, the Wolkenritter, and the two new officers were called in by Hayate to a meeting in the meeting room.

“Before we get started, there’s a couple people I’d like you to meet,” Hayate began, before motioning towards two female officers to her left, “1st Lieutenants Himemiya Chikane and Kurusugawa Himeko.”

Standing up, the two of them bowed lightly towards everyone. “Yoroshiku onegai shimasu,” they said together. Standing up straight, the two of them took a moment to look at everyone, and let everyone look at them.

There was one word that Hayato could think off to describe Himeko and Chikane: Princess and Queen respectively. The two of them were in exact height, but that was where the similarities ended.

Chikane had the air of royalty in her stance. Back straight, shoulders squared, held up high, she was true and perfect example of royalty. Royal blue hair fell gracefully along her back down to the back of her knees, held in a tight ponytail. Sharp sapphire eyes that could hold all the emotions within her heart adorned her features, complemented by pearly white skin. Yet upon that same face now, was the stone mask of an officer who was ready to perform her duty to the letter without question.

Himeko was the exact opposite in many ways. Despite a posture fitting of an officer, it was nothing like Chikane. It was a more of a demure expression on her face, especially due to her gentle features, compared to the sharp contrasting visage of her fellow officer. Gentle lavender eyes gazed upon everyone, paired with a gentle smile that seemed to melt the hearts of many, and swoon men and women alike.

But without question, both seemed to be officers to be reckoned with, especially with the medals decorating their right chests.

“These two will be captains to additional teams that we will be forming within the next 6 weeks or so,” Hayate explained and motioned for the two new officers to sit down. “I hope that you will get along well with them in the near future.” Calling up a command console, she tapped a few buttons as a screen formed over the main table.

“What you are looking at is the present configuration of the three teams we have,” she began to explain. “However, due to our rapid growth in new officers and our overall raise in unit-mage ranking, I’ve been required that I have to export out our power, otherwise it would cause problems in the foreseeable future. However, Captain Tesla will explain the rest of the details.”

Responding, Tesla rose from her seat as Hayate sat down. “Thank you. I will get straight to the point: For the next 6 weeks, we will be building 5 new teams: Hammer, Sword, Fang, Rouge, Solar, and Lunar teams under the game of Vita, Signum, Zafira, Himeko, and Chikane respectively. And due to the conflicting naming between the present Hammer team and Vita’s Hammer team, Farukon’s team will be officially re-designated Blitz team.

“The plan is to have the teams be restructured into four-person teams, consisting of a captain and three subordinates, with each team being trained in a specific art, to the captain’s discretion. In terms of the present team configurations, Stars team will be losing Vita and Keroko due to their promotion, and will be working as a three-man team for some time until such that an additional member can be assigned. Lightning will not be affected, as PFC Alpine will be filling in the blank, since Signum and I will no longer be with the team. And Blitz team will have Rue removed and reassigned as assisting training officer.” Tesla goes on to explain the plan of how the new prospects will be recruited and trained by Nanoha and Keroko with Rue’s assistance before receiving training by their captains, for a period of 6 weeks. She also continues to explain Lightning’s and Blitz’s mission during that time, in order to cover their bases.

“Are there any questions?” she asked, looking around the table as she finished her briefing.

“Are present living accommodations able to fit in all squad members, and the rest of the base?” Chikane inquired.

Unsure of how to respond, Tesla looked over towards Hayate, but much to her surprise the answer came from Rein instead. “We’re currently building two new additional barracks for the new recruits and enlisted members to live in. The present barrack will be renovated somewhat to accommodate officers.”

“I see,” Chikane commented.

“Are there any recreational facilities?” Himeko asked.

“There are within the barracks ma’am,” Rein replied in earnest. “The remaining available land we have now is only the parade square. The only thing we have similar is the one room we use as a dining hall and internal parade square.”

“I see,” said Himeko, gently inclining her head towards Rein. “Thank you, Sergeant Major.”

“Umm…why exactly am I being pulled from the field?” Rue asked, somewhat confused as to the reasoning of her assignment.

“Consider it a promotion,” Tesla replied. “Your recent evaluation as an instructor has made you an ideal candidate to instruct recruits in proper close combat forms, along with assist both Major Takamachi’s in basic long ranged combat and buster spells. Does that satisfy your answer?”

“I guess,” Rue sighed, slumping back into her chair.

“Need I point out that this will also look good on you for promotions?” Farukon whispered to Rue.

“Oh yeah…” Rue muttered.

“Does anyone else have any problems or questions with the arrangements?” Hayate asked everyone. Her answer was silence as everyone waited on her. “Then this concludes the meeting. These implementations will take place in one week, so until then, you are on stand-by.”

P.S. Chapter XIII Gundober and Kabuto

Ah a mostly focused on description chappie. Now all those questions come into perspective, Would've been perfect except for one thing...

*throws Avenger's Shield at Eva, then follows with Judgement of Vengeance, Holy Shock and Crusader Strike*

Burn the Errant Grammar, Kill the Typodaemon, Purge the Pointlessly-Inserted-Fanservice!!!

Originally Posted by Comartemis

That's a completely different case. There is canon evidence that Hayate does--or at least should--have at least passable melee skills since she's copied the spells of Nanoha, Fate, and the Wolkenritter as well as countless other mages the Wolks drained during their rampage in A's. All she has to do to round herself out is take some basic training with Signum or Vita every now and then to get the basics of actual melee combat down and her spell list--assuming she's practicing with a well-rounded spell list like she most likely will be in Comacanon--should go a great distance to doing the rest.

Er... Book got deleted/reformatted, so Hayate had to start afresh... Is this changed in your work?

[Wild Goose]

Regarding Hayate having awesome melee:

Yes, she is a Mage-Knight. However, note that she is the only Belkan mage to specialise in bombardments. Her role and purpose is that of long-range artillery. IMO, and this has been discussed more than once, instead of trying to get her to level up her melee faster - and let's not forget that she was bedridded and paralysed for much of her childhood and has been stated to be physically weaker than the rest of the cast (also, note her stunted height) - what we should be doing is playing to her strenghts. Melee users are great at close range, right?

She's got magic. Light the afterburners and dodge - she's flying in the sky, afterall.

Hayate has all sorts of options for dealing with melee users. Trips. Binds. Long-range fire. I agree that she will need some melee, but IMO that'd be more for blocks and getting out of an opponent's reach, just enough to let her disengage and run back to range.

To use a somewhat reaching analogy, in this case, rather than thinking of Hayate as a bomber, I'm thinking of her as an F-14. The Tomcat is badass, win, and pwnage, but it is not as manuverable at close range and low speed compared to the F-16 or MiG-29 or Su-27. What Tomcat pilots do is they train to shake the enemy pilot, disengage, light burners and get the reach for a missile shot, at a range where they'll do better; you can dogfight a Tomcat, but Tomcat jockeys will always attempt to open up the range where it favors them. (Especially since Tomcats - even the D never upgraded to the AIM-120 AMRAAM and were stuck with the AIM-7 Sparrow.)

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Ah, one of the details I haven't mentioned; Iris is a Knight of the Saint Church, representing the interests of Carim and company. She has a fairly high level in the command structure, to the point where she reports directly to Carim every so often. Usually she's involved in the recovery of Lost Logia that are of interest to the Church, such as holy relics and demonic artifacts (what exactly demons are in Comacanon still needs to be resolved) in need of disposal or sealing. For this series, she's involved in the Relic case at Carim's request under Hayate's command, so between her and Carim, it's not all that unlikely that a cadre of Church Knights will get involved in the HQ attack.

Just say that she's part of Carim's security detail then That's her official cover as to why she's there.

As for the fliers, considering that the battle was fairly high-altitude most of the way through, I'd say that that's the domain of the Air Forces, not the ground forces.

Nope, you can see they're wearing a colored patch somewhere; that's the marker for GF air fliers.

Besides, if they were AF, they wouldn't have accepted Hayate's battle management.

You wouldn't mind if I borrow the OFM then, would you Goose? I'd need your help writing Ivanovich and the rest unless they only make a token background appearance, since I'm pretty sure I couldn't do Johnson's badassness the proper justice it deserves.

Sure, no problem. Lemme know what you need.

And the OFM aren't useless without their guns; they may be mostly B-ranks, but they've got skills and experience, and a good number of combat vets who cut their teeth on killing other mages. Check the Liberation of Belzac.

[Comartemis]

Er... Book got deleted/reformatted, so Hayate had to start afresh... Is this changed in your work?

No, but how much of Reinforce Ein's data was incorporated into Zwei? This is more or less an open book, and for Comacanon I'm making the call that a hefty chunk of the spell data Hayate pulled from the Book stuck around in Reinforce and was salvaged by Zwei. Thus, Hayate has an impressive and well-rounded spell list (fuck, spell library) even if she's lost all the spells gained from the random grunts.

Hayate could be able to pull moves like Anubis' "Zero Shift" to escape from melee powerhouses or pixies (lol Marvel vs Capcom 2 lingo!) and get back to her favored range. Powers based on manipulation of space are not against canon, arent they?

*Gasp!*

Another ZoE fan! No, I'm pretty sure there's a rule against OCs having spatial/temporal manipulation abilities, but there's no rule against canon characters gaining such things! Zero Shift is an awesome idea for a step beyond Flash Move, Sheba, thank you for reminding me of it! Too bad Hayate already has Ragnarok or I could give her the Vector Cannon too...

*EDIT*
And no, to my knowledge there's nothing against it in canon.

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

*Gasp!*

Another ZoE fan! No, I'm pretty sure there's a rule against OCs having spatial/temporal manipulation abilities, but there's no rule against canon characters gaining such things! Zero Shift is an awesome idea for a step beyond Flash Move, Sheba, thank you for reminding me of it! Too bad Hayate already has Ragnarok or I could give her the Vector Cannon too...

*EDIT*
And no, to my knowledge there's nothing against it in canon.

I generally am not keen on spatial/temporal manipulation; what's wrong with giving Hayate a faster charging longer lasting Flash Move?

KISS principle, Comar. This IMO is why lots of Kha's stuff gets derailed and drags even him down: it becomes too complicated to keep track of.

Also, it's easier to justify than spatial/tempral manipulation. The M1911A1 is still used today, almost 100 years after it was designed. Revolver pistols are still used today. Bolt-action rifles will never fade away. Simpler things tend to last longer. ;D

[stormturmoil]

I'd agree, except we already know that Hayate can do spatial manipulation: Diabolic Emission is explicitly referred to as a spatial attack.

[Wild Goose]

Hmmm, I'd forgotten about that.

*considers*

Still, let's be honest here, people, outside of plot, just what are melee-user chances of sneaking up on Hayate? She's a flier. So long as she stays in the air she can see them coming at her and take steps to evade.

[Comartemis]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

I generally am not keen on spatial/temporal manipulation; what's wrong with giving Hayate a faster charging longer lasting Flash Move?

That's essentially what Zero Shift is, at least in Zone of the Enders II; it simply shrinks the distance between the subject and the target point to zero, allowing for mind-numbingly fast speed over long distances and the illusion of outright teleportation at short distances.

*EDIT*
...sorry, brain fart. No, it's not longer lasting nor faster charging, it's just mind-numbingly fast, even by Flash Move standards.

[stormturmoil]

I'd say it's actually a non issue regarding the melee skill issue.

anyone skilled enough to sneak up on Hayate is almost certainly going to be skilled enough to kill ANYONE you put in that situation, regardless of who it is or what they know.

it's the opportunists that are the real issue here. And that relies on opportunity. So the best protection is to minimise the opportunities, and if they do occur, concentrate on ways to make them squander the opportunity, knowing they likely won't get another.

Anyone can get fluked once. Nothing anyone can do about that. But you can keep it from happening again in the same way.

[JINNSK]

Originally Posted by Kha

*prods Eva back from Crushridge*

Er... Book got deleted/reformatted, so Hayate had to start afresh... Is this changed in your work?

According to リリカルSympathy(This interview explains about Hayate),Hayate seems to be able to use most magic spells that Reinforce I owned.



(But her magic takes time.so I think she is not suitable to close range battle)

Spoiler for omake:

リリカルSympathy2(about Reinforce2: It is spoken how Hayate produced Reinforce2,etc)


リリカルSympathy3(about devices: Differences of various devices(Intelligent,Storage,Unison))


But these include some contradiction,because these were written before StS after A's. Be carefull.

[Comartemis]

That explains why she can use Diabolic Emission; she did inherit it from Rein Eins. And the bit about her magic "taking time" doesn't apply to Comacanon beyond standard charging times due to the de-shafting protocols.

Also for anyone who's interested, I just started my own blog.

[Kha]

And I hereby reiterate my stand about my in-depth codices; it's just the old me with all those theories speaking.

@JINNSK: I see... Wow that's a lot of skills she has access to, including those that the Wolkies absorbed without Hayate's knowledge! Can you imagine the possibilities?! I won't be surprised if Hayate keeps pulling out spells no one has witnessed before, cloned from other magical schools!

*cackles*

[krisslanza]

Looks like Keroko has fallen to Touhou...

I'm plotting crack. No estimated time as I'm feeling worse and worse with each passing day at work...

[tshouryuu]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Ah, that explains why I'm having problems with it. I haven't understood the appeal of the Touhou series and still don't, really.

Anyways, I'm planning on turning Cinque into one of the good guys post-StrikerS and giving her the good fortune of having a linker core so she can function at a basic level in a magical society. She's still going to be something of a Badass Normal when compared to the other characters, but I'm wondering what the resident theories on the natures of the ISs are. I know this has been discussed on IRC, but can we get a list of all suggested possibilities together?

Actually, wasn't all the bases of the Numbers mages? Since I seemed to recall that they are all created using artificial mages technology and thus wouldn't that mean they have linker cores?

As for the IS theories... current personal theory of mine is that they are not very different from rare skills except the latter uses mana for power and the former uses that unnamed power source that isn't magic and additional equipment designed to work with it. Sort of like the difference between Familiars and Guardian beasts.

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Looks like Keroko has fallen to Touhou...

I'm plotting crack. No estimated time as I'm feeling worse and worse with each passing day at work...

No offense kriss but with your creation speed I think Kha's rebuilds will have been completed and we'll all be on the 3rd incarnation of the OC thread.

Edit: You're sick? Sorry.

[Comartemis]

Actually, wasn't all the bases of the Numbers mages? Since I seemed to recall that they are all created using artificial mages technology and thus wouldn't that mean they have linker cores?

I thought the general consensus was that the cyborgs didn't have linker cores? Or am I just talking to TK too much?

As for the IS theories... current personal theory of mine is that they are not very different from rare skills except the latter uses mana for power and the former uses that unnamed power source that isn't magic and additional equipment designed to work with it. Sort of like the difference between Familiars and Guardian beasts.

That's what I figured as well. I actually have a post-StrikerS plan of having Original Jail upgrade the surviving Numbers (Uno through Quattro) by using the captured relics as power sources for their cybernetic enhancements, allowing him to make extensive upgrades to their equipment and capabilities and putting the cyborgs on par with the Aces, since they've all effectively turned into Artificial Relic Weapons.

[Jimmy C]

If you did that, I'd have to ask why hadn't he done that earlier?

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Who knows, Jail's probably just full of himself, or the Relics are too valuable/rare or something that wouldn't warrant doing that outside of 'emergencies'.



Anywho, I just figured out a rather funny way to have Crash gain a healthy respect (fear) he needs of Vita so that he can get all jittery in later scenes.

Spoiler for Don't be fooled by outward appearances:

"I survive one more day! Phew, I thought he was going to blow a fuse when he came in, I've always managed not to bust something after he's lost it once."

"Don't be dumb," Fox rolled her eyes. "Everyone knows Marilyn has him on a tight leash anywhere NEAR the DIFAC. If he blew a fuse in here, she'd starve the temper right out of him."

"Good way to do it too," Vita suppressed a chuckle. "I remember once about seven years ago, I made the mistake of pissing Hayate off, and she sent me to bed without dinner, never made the same mistake again."

For a few seconds Crash nodded with a sly smile, then suddenly he paused and his face went blank. Seven years didn't compute right.

"How old are you again?" he asked.

"I'm," Vita began, then she furrowed her brow, pausing for several seconds. "I can't remember, older than you at least."

Crash scratched his head as he gave her a solid onceover.
"You say that, but my brain can't seem to add it up at all."

"I get that a lot," Vita shrugged. "Hey, who's the Twerp? Where's your momma kid? Hey shrimp!"
Vita smirked.
"But then I simply tell them who I am, and if they don't want to believe that well..."
She leaned forward, reaching up and grabbing the collar of her shirt as she did so. Crash instantly put both hands on the table and was about to catapult himself backwards when Vita pulled a necklace up into view. I tiny hammer shaped object glinted back at him.

"...I let them argue with Graf Eisen instead."
With a deft flick, she brought Graf Eisen out of storage mode, and displayed the magical warhammer proudly to the test pilot. Deep in the back of his mind, Crash noted the piston styled cartridge loader the hammer had, and recalled just how much punishment in the tests it took to cause it to fail so many months before. The answer was 'A-FUCKING-LOT' , at which he involuntarily gulped at the prospects of what that meant in the hands of the deceptively young body before him.

"There was this one time some moron tried to kidnap me," she continued, lowering Graf Eisen. "Probably some pedophile or other sick maniac thinking I was just 'some kid'. We'll probably never know, he ended up in the psychiatric ward of a hospital after I taught him a lesson."
True to the word of course, the man had been admitted with two broken ribs, a concussion, all his limbs shattered, and was screaming non-stop about killer bunny rabbits in red dresses with sledgehammers coming to finish him off, and had been that way for at least four years. Crash's mental image of the situation wasn't too different, though he was having trouble identifying with just how much brutality could reduce someone to a gibbering paranoid shell that once claimed to be human. Either way, the prospects of the answer only reinforced his previous conclusion.

Fox noted the smug look on Vita's face as Crash's own face went through a series of easily visable emotional responses as he mulled over what he'd seen and heard. Deciding he wasn't paying attention for once, she nudged Vita slightly and spoke quickly under her breath.
"Don't overdo the big stick routine, he's an idiot and he'll stick to it."
Vita nodded, but continued to bask in the aura of someone who'd just been humbled. It seemed the two girls had quickly started to get along after Fox's little display on Cooper earlier that day. Probably because they connected better than their abraisive personalities would seem. In the middle of this, Vita managed a double take.
"What routine?"

Fox nearly spat out her drink as she downed it.