(L+CR) Senki Zesshō Symphogear

[Xenio]

Originally Posted by Stevie_Nix

That would explain the some what loopy time line. (Present: Hibiki dead. Two years ago: The concert. Present: Hibiki is alive) If everyone thinks she is dead because she has turned into Kanade, that would explain a lot.

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Originally Posted by Xenio

they go back 2 years from the point where she's dead but after that, forward to the ";present day", not 2 years later. which mean that the beginning of the ep was the future, not the "present day"

[gecd]

Reading all the comments here make me ROTFL
If you want something realistic, please watch a documentary!

[Marcus H.]

^ Way to mention that, Captain Obvious.

I do understand the gripes of other people when they saw those Symphogear wielders not moving an inch (even though they are managed by someone — an evil Producer-san, perhaps?). If there is an organization pulling the strings on the Symphogear wielders, they will have gone rogue by the end of the episode, or will die catastrophically.

[DangerMouse]

Originally Posted by gecd

Reading all the comments here make me ROTFL
If you want something realistic, please watch a documentary!

Hmm, I haven't seen many comments complaining about lack of realism, though I could be wrong.

In fact the only real instance I see is the totally accurate complaint of the concert over the base let alone no plan of evacuation for the fans since this is a known enemy they knew how to fight, and the "random main character" having so much more value than the hundreds of other fans/civilians that were dying around them.

Anyway in my opinion I agree who cares about realism not every show needs to be too realistic, I usually like shows like this and would have enjoyed the kinetic action and darker scifi two of my favorites, all I wanted was for the only character I came for in the show to still be around instead of the awful lead we got in the bait and switch.

[elior]

Originally Posted by DangerMouse

Hmm, I haven't seen many comments complaining about lack of realism, though I could be wrong.

In fact the only real instance I see is the totally accurate complaint of the concert over the base let alone no plan of evacuation for the fans since this is a known enemy they knew how to fight, and the "random main character" having so much more value than the hundreds of other fans/civilians that were dying around them.

Anyway in my opinion I agree who cares about realism not every show needs to be too realistic, I usually like shows like this and would have enjoyed the kinetic action and darker scifi two of my favorites, all I wanted was for the only character I came for in the show to still be around instead of the awful lead we got in the bait and switch.

i think kanade power got into hibiki once she protect her in one of the fight scences and that how hibiki transformed so i think kanade not death exactly i think she somehow inside hibiki body

[-Antares-]

Where exactly are people getting that "Aufwachenschlagen" was ever said in the episode? I hear Aufwache... and then wake. It's possible I'm missing the n for Aufwachen, but I don't hear anything close to schlagen after that. Just another wake.

[DangerMouse]

Originally Posted by elior

i think kanade power got into hibiki once she protect her in one of the fight scences and that how hibiki transformed so i think kanade not death exactly i think she somehow inside hibiki body

Oh yeah I definitely agree I think it's highly possible that Hibiki's inherited Kanade's powers and armor, during the transformation at the end she even was getting the same orange/brown and black uniform and white armor I think if you look closely.

Don't think that's enough for me though as I'd rather just have Kanade's character back by far. How they describe that will probably decide if I watch or not which is ashame since I usually like this type of physical action scifi show (like say Birdy the Mighty), all they had to do was not kill the one character I came to see and was looking forward to of all characters *sigh*.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by DangerMouse

Oh yeah I definitely agree I think it's highly possible that Hibiki's inherited Kanade's powers and armor, during the transformation at the end she even was getting the same orange/brown and black uniform and white armor I think if you look closely.

Don't think that's enough for me though as I'd rather just have Kanade's character back by far. How they describe that will probably decide if I watch or not which is ashame since I usually like this type of physical action scifi show (like say Birdy the Mighty), all they had to do was not kill the one character I came to see and was looking forward to of all characters *sigh*.

Aye, I also thought her armour looked similar. In fact, I'm pretty sure the shoulder pads were of the same structure and colour. I'll re-watch her transformation scene later.

In my eyes, she's no replacement for Kanade. Mainly because she isn't a red head, and her eye design irks me; but I guess her eye design could grow on me. Ah, I guess I'll just keep watching since I did somewhat enjoy the first episode.

[Crimrui]

Sing a song and kick ass at the same time.

Spoiler for episode 1:

Haha, I really don't know what to make of this show. I think I changed my opinion 2-3 times while watching the first episode. At first I was kinda down when I saw Hibiki appearing dead. Then as the episode moved forward I noticed that the first two females that were shown weren't the ones on the cover. I thought that, you know, two normal girls would transform and get different hairstyle or something. But anyway, moving on. The concert was a nice touch, and I loved the both design of Kanade and Tsubasa. Especially Kanade once I saw a bit of her personality. Then the aliens came and the first thing I thought, except the silly fact that there was no rescue operation for the civilians who were left there to die, was ''Man, what a stupid looking monsters.''. But once the crying and brutality started I was like O_o'

In that moment, even though a bit sad, I said to myself that even though that Hibiki girl will die soon it's no big deal, and I was already prepared to say that it was an A+ episode. But once I saw Kanade die, I was in shock, and even worse thing that Hibiki survived. It even irks me of possibility that Hibiki will replace the Kanade as seen in the last scene. So my overall opinion is.... that I don't have any. Have to see the next episode and see where the flow will go, but I'll easily say that they killed my ''to be'' favorite character of the show. This sucks...

[viperdk1]

I don't know what to make of this just yet. The music, by all means is top notch, but I'm not entirely sure about everything else.

Don't think it helped that there seemingly was a plot hole the size of the bloody Mersey tunnel halfway through (i.e. the army only just realising that guns won't work on the Noise - how long have you lot been fighting these b******s, eh?!). Personally, it feels like Symphogear is not even sure what it wants to be - does it want to be sombre and depressing (opening scene, the few minutes prior to and including the death of Kanade etc.), full of excitement, music and action packed wacky battles involving song (Tsubasa battling the noise on her own, the battle following the concert scene), or an almost slice of life story with yuri subtexts (the scenes with Hibiki and Miku at school)?

To me, it seems rather bizarre to pushing so much stuff into a single episode - and almost turns it into a bit of a mess.

Either way, I think I might give this a miss for the time being - the music is a massive plus point in it's favour (Sychrogazer gives me Megaman X vibes, strangely - but it's a cracking song. Along with all the songs involved in the first episode), but if that's all it has going for it, that's never a good sign (should have realised that with Persona: Trinity Soul - but no, I only realised that after marathoning over half the series. Partly makes me wonder why I've stuck with Guilty Crown, thinking about it ).

I just... don't know. Maybe I'll rewatch the first episode again (it has been a few days and I've watched a couple of other series since then) and see if I'm misguided in my judgement.

[DangerMouse]

Originally Posted by Aphrah

Aye, I also thought her armour looked similar. In fact, I'm pretty sure the shoulder pads were of the same structure and colour. I'll re-watch her transformation scene later.

In my eyes, she's no replacement for Kanade. Mainly because she isn't a red head, and her eye design irks me; but I guess her eye design could grow on me. Ah, I guess I'll just keep watching since I did somewhat enjoy the first episode.

Yup, not even close, loved Kanade's design, the red hair, the armor, badass weapon and cool "stances", and then in the show hints of charisma and tough personality evident in the first part of the fight, cool fighting style, lavishly animated fancy moves, pretty much everything for this type of action show and her potentially likeable partner in Tsubasa (who I hoped to like at least for the cool KOS-MOS inspired armor and sword moves even if I ended up liking her character less between the two, who's now probably going to be emo at least for a bit)...and it was replaced with "that" (agree on the eyes). And not just replacing it with "that" but doing it in the dirtiest way possible by trolling us with initially portraying Kanade as one of the two leads rubbing it in even further.

Spoiler:

Crimson Cloud nailed my same arc of how badly I was let down in the span of half to one episode from the unexpected high...

I came in looking forward to the show thanks to Kanade's character thanks to her great design (and hopefully promising scifi action part with the Noise) but not expecting much from the idol song action mix, since there was no way of knowing which side would take precedence or how the songs as weapons would work in this particular show, and I was pleasantly surprised that she was actually delivering beyond my low expectations for an idol action show and as it got going I was all wait maybe this could be better than I expected and an A+ kinetic show up with there with a darker slightly more violent cool battlesuit "lesser FLCL" mixed with Ar Tonelico crazy action music etc. if they could somehow develop the characters and story to be more interesting than I expected since I love scifi with the "aliens" and if Kanade keeps this up as a sort of potentially new Haruko/Birdy/etc.; wow they might have even had the balls to have the hero fail with the kid getting hurt/dying here or a surprisingly not-quite as forced as usual since they didn't meet before it happened, reason to fight harder even if she doesn't die yet, and then they killed the show before it started with one of the worst decisions I've ever seen replacing that level of instant likeability and cool design with "same old Hibiki" and everything that didn't feel forced suddenly felt incredibly forced and ofcourse I realized that all of my excitement was with the character that I'd been looking forward to who was actually delivering more than I ever expected...

[Crimrui]

Spoiler for more episode 1 rant... sort of ^^:

I usually don't post more then once about the first episode, but somehow I'm really thrown off my seat here. I know people will say that Kanade's death was a whole point, you know, that ''shockingly good'' stuff that made you like an episode. But it's not good to me when I'm really digging an character who could actually hold the show alone on her back. As DangerMouse stated, she was beautiful in every aspect. An kick ass heroine singer that also fights was something that I always dreamed of in Ar Tonelico game. Her personality, the figure, the colors, the weapon of choice... in two words = marriage material. She would be one of the reasons that I would watch a show even if everything else sucked. It's insulting if Hibiki throws in a wig or something to fill that lost place.

The show can go ether way from here. They can do a heavy rewind to the point where the two heroines first met and tell a tale of first monster invasion and so on. But knowing what happens later makes it a bit painful to watch...

[DangerMouse]

Originally Posted by Crimson Cloud

Spoiler for more episode 1 rant... sort of ^^:

I usually don't post more then once about the first episode, but somehow I'm really thrown off my seat here. I know people will say that Kanade's death was a whole point, you know, that ''shockingly good'' stuff that made you like an episode. But it's not good to me when I'm really digging an character who could actually hold the show alone on her back. As DangerMouse stated, she was beautiful in every aspect. An kick ass heroine singer that also fights was something that I always dreamed of in Ar Tonelico game. Her personality, the figure, the colors, the weapon of choice... in two words = marriage material. She would be one of the reasons that I would watch a show even if everything else sucked. It's insulting if Hibiki throws in a wig or something to fill that lost place.

The show can go ether way from here. They can do a heavy rewind to the point where the two heroines first met and tell a tale of first monster invasion and so on. But knowing what happens later makes it a bit painful to watch...

Spoiler:

This, I know on some level it had a "purpose" or perhaps the usual making her the influence on the heroine but screw that. She was strong enough in all those aspects above to hold the show on her back alone even in a show where she wasn't going to have to do that, to think we were so close to getting that and more in other characters and we get "Hibiki" (even if we know she dies later)...it throws me off so much that I was so close to liking this...

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by DangerMouse

Spoiler:

This, I know on some level it had a "purpose" or perhaps the usual making her the influence on the heroine but screw that. She was strong enough in all those aspects above to hold the show on her back alone even in a show where she wasn't going to have to do that, to think we were so close to getting that and more in other characters and we get "Hibiki" (even if we know she dies later)...it throws me off so much that I was so close to liking this...

I agree with all this. It is real deal-breaker for me so I wont be following this show for the time being.

If something miraculous happen and somehow they manage to fix what they broke (I don't how they would do that, but I don't care) I might come back. But for now, it's a drop.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I don't know, personally I think the whole storyline of Hibiki having to be the successor to Kanade could prove interesting. Sure she's kind of meek and not very much like a heroine at all right now, but then again so was the likes of Simon from Gurren Lagann and look how he ended up turning out. Also the fact that she seems to hulk out when she transforms kind of helps with the whole petite frame factor....somehow I don't see her just getting tossed around like she did at the beginning of the show.

Also the way I see it Kanade and Hibiki both had about the same amount of screen time in this opening episode anyway, it's just that Kanade happened to be the established heroine with experience and Hibiki is now the up and comer. Everyone's gotta start somewhere if they wanna to be the hero.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Everyone's gotta start somewhere if they wanna to be the hero.

But that's how most stories about heroes begin, it's the typical thing. I liked this at first because I thought they were out to subvert that kind of plot structure, beginning with a heroine that was already established on the job.

But I was wrong. That's my fault, I gotta learn to keep my expectations in check (although those misleading posters don't help!!). Yet, it doesn't change that fact that I have no interest at all in the show now. I can't change that, so I can only drop it.

[Kameruka]

I really don't like to say this but it feel much like Macross Frontier(minus the mechs) + Generator Rex(with metal wings and armor coming out from body) thing.

[DangerMouse]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

I don't know, personally I think the whole storyline of Hibiki having to be the successor to Kanade could prove interesting. Sure she's kind of meek and not very much like a heroine at all right now, but then again so was the likes of Simon from Gurren Lagann and look how he ended up turning out. Also the fact that she seems to hulk out when she transforms kind of helps with the whole petite frame factor....somehow I don't see her just getting tossed around like she did at the beginning of the show.

Also the way I see it Kanade and Hibiki both had about the same amount of screen time in this opening episode anyway, it's just that Kanade happened to be the established heroine with experience and Hibiki is now the up and comer. Everyone's gotta start somewhere if they wanna to be the hero.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

But that's how most stories about heroes begin, it's the typical thing. I liked this at first because I thought they were out to subvert that kind of plot structure, beginning with a heroine that was already established on the job.

But I was wrong. That's my fault, I gotta learn to keep my expectations in check (although those misleading posters don't help!!). Yet, it doesn't change that fact that I have no interest at all in the show now. I can't change that, so I can only drop it.

Yup, it's not that they didn't have the same amount of screentime and it's not that Kanade didn't do her job as the "sacrifice" that serves as the "turning point" for the heroine, and I usually like "coming of age heroes", it's that we were advertised with two characters and one of them came out of nowhere to be the unexpectedly rare type with a fantastic design unusually complementing her type and not just the hothead (or something) and she was immediately replaced by the one character that's the most overly common and overdone, it had nothing to do with her being experienced, she had the design and character type I was looking forward to and was the whole reason I even wanted to watch the show in the first place thanks to the art and in that start she had the potential make me stick with it just to see her development. I don't necessarily want to see Hibiki "growing up" and I don't really care if she's not going to be meek they already did some of that at the end of the first ep where she was even using Kanade for inspiration as I expected and I still had no interest at the cost of Kanade especially having believed that Kanade was going to be one of the leads.

Plus they brought it on themselves that some should be disappointed by being cute with the awful Ga-Rei Zero trolling (which also was kind of awful by being two completely different shows likely appealing to two totally different audiences) and giving me a potentially lying promo poster and over-delivering on one type of heroine (the rare type even of various levels of experience: Birdy/Haruko/etc.) who somehow shockingly was the one that I picked from the art to pin my hopes on in giving the show a chance then giving me Hibiki via killing the character I came for and whom was pretty much like I'd hoped but never really thought possible for some of the worst whiplash ever.

Like Kazu-kun I guess on some level it's my own fault for setting myself up accidentally so "perfectly" for this disappointment looking at the promo poster and picking her and hoping she'd somehow be like she actually turned out which I didn't think had a chance in hell (I figured at best we'd get the hotheaded non-thinking one and the cold one) in an idol action show and the fact that all of a sudden I was realizing omg they were creating her that way and she's even a co-lead in this scifi action show (sweet) and the reality that she was turning out to be more than I expected from an idol action show... and... then they proceeded to kill her of all 5 characters two seconds later for Hibiki, but ofcourse that's what the promo art's there for to show you what it should look like visually and start wondering.

Speaking of Gurren, Simon turned out quite good due to it but the show didn't for it, I didn't like how that turned out all that much...I liked both parts of Gurren but personally the rest of Gurren was nowhere near as good as the first part's energy (it probably also didn't help that Yoko was completely sidelined and then brought back halfassed) and even though tougher Simon who developed well via Kamina to be quite likeable (though I liked him already as a kid) was merely decent and was still a waste since half his screentime was will-he-or-won't-he or the predictable fighting for Nia.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I agree with all this. It is real deal-breaker for me so I wont be following this show for the time being.

If something miraculous happen and somehow they manage to fix what they broke (I don't how they would do that, but I don't care) I might come back. But for now, it's a drop.

Yeah.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Speaking of Hibiki and coming of age, I'm curious, how the hell old is she even supposed to be anyway? Her character design normally makes her look no older than maybe twelve at most, but then when they show the scar she's shown to have a decent sized chest. I'm kind of reminded of Ruri Aiba from Sacred Seven a bit here.

[Shimapan]

Now wtf did I just watch?
Story was seriously weird and seemed incoherent, too.

First some girl we know nothing about is dead, and there are lots of destroyed buildings. Two years back, the same girl is barely saved by one of the two main heroines doing a suicide attack, saving her and the city. Going back, she's still alive, and no destroyed buildings.

So what we saw at the beginning (dead Hibiki and destroyed buildings) is what would've happened if Kanade wouldn't have saved the girl and the city with her suicide attack. The show could be showing several possible realities to screw with our minds
It could be showing one (dead Hibiki and destroyed buildings) where Kanade is still alive because she didn't use her suicide attack, and another where she did, Hibiki survived, no destroyed buildings, and then Hibiki takes her place.
Then they could be switching back and forth between these two realities. Or, they could add some more diverging realities to the mix, for even more mindrape...