(L) Robotics;Notes

[Gohan78]

Originally Posted by creb

Whatever. I didn't particularly enjoy Steins;Gate's ending arc either, for pretty much the same reasons I didn't enjoy Robotics;Note's. A plot that should, on the surface, be epic in nature, ends up being very small-scale and personal in actuality. So, I find it more than a little amusing that those who hold SG up to high heavens have so many issues with RN.

I can't help but wonder if it's more a reduced emotional connection to the characters than all the other reasons people are grasping at to like one over the other. Coincidence or not, there's no Rei Ayanami-type character in RN, as opposed to SN, and the comments in their respective threads shows by that omission.

If you are thinking about Moeka as the "Rei-type character" then it's not my case. AFAIK she is not very high on the list of most loved heroines, due to her role in the show.
My enjoyment of S;G has more to do with the carefully constructed plot, which actually works (admittedly with some minor hiccups) and the characters. Especialy Okarin is a unique protagonist and his romance with Kurisu was so well crafted that in the end I was cheering for them to reunite.

[Makino]

Originally Posted by CJ_Walker

seeing as this was the last ep I decided to catch up to it (I dropped this pos after mizukas death.)

wow. . B.S. all over the place.

-Cliche ending, wtf astronauts now?(after watching space borthers I findthis highly unlikely)

-Sawada's net handle should be deus ex machina (pun intended because...ROBOTS)

-and who the hell is Sawada anyway, we don't even see him in the show!

-Stupid Romance shoehorned in last ep(really they should have left it alone and left it unresolved between the blond chick, kai, and aki)

-Brainwashed by a computer program from a guy who was killed and somehow uploaded his consciousness or whatever to the net after he died? And even if it was just a program, how would it know how to torment misa and guilt trip her, and and and. . .fuck too many b.s. ass pulls there...so many questions I don't feel like typing wtf.

-BRAINWASHING?! ffs, seriously guys.

-Kimijima Kou not being able to kill a robot just standing there while he can run mach5 and kais robot is a rusty bucket that can barely move. . .

-one heart emp to kai knocks him out for like three days, but the next day he can take three in a row, and still have energy to yell and get out of the robot. . .

-the "tears" every time aki "pressed the button" like seriously. . .we all knew Kai was in no danger

-Misa for being a plot device. seriously her character was bad

-committee of 300? even akatsuki was more interesting as the cliched "evil organization" Hell Pokemon's "ELITE FOUR on GAMEBOY was more interesting.

-Subaru's Dad... why is he such a dick again? nope move on to Rusty Robot

-Monopoles? oh yeah we forgot.

-blond hared chicks mom? meh Kai kissed aki, so she doesn't matter anymore.

fuck this was bad...

Imagine if Gen would have done this instead. . .he would have let kimijima succeed in the end because the show is just so sappy, that it needs to be annihilated.

1/10 that 1point is for the arc with the blond chick, Kai, and the story about the mother, that was the high point of the series actually

the rest of the show was just fucktarded

lol very harsh, yet true. Frau's character arc was the high point of this series, if they actually built upon that instead, the series would proabably be a lot better.

[Aqua Knight]

Series contained both drama and light-hearted stuff mixed.
But the final composition at the end didn't work at all.

[Kopi]

So since the series has already ended, can anyone answer anything about the monopole? I mean it was Geji-nee that told the club about the monopole and where to find them which helps them build a robot that could move.. but wasn't Geji-nee under Kimijima Kou? Surely Kimijima won't want to lend a helping hand to anyone that could've disrupt his plans.

[MCAL]

So word is this was the Aki ending of the game, but there is a Frau ending which is apparently more conclusive. Can anyone with VN knowledge tell me how the story ends for Frau? In spoilers please?

[Kakkou]

Kimijima: "Misa is gone! I'm in control!"
Kai/Aki: "No you're not!"
Kimijima: "Dammit!"

[Next scene]

Kimijima: "Now she's gone!"
Kai/Aki: "No she's not!"
Kimijima: "Damn!"

...Sigh.

I guess I can say I enjoyed R;N as a whole. It's an okay show but had many things (some stupid) that hindered my overall enjoyment. Frau is the only character that I actually cared about to a certain degree and her arc was the only one I really liked. Kai too but I'm still not sure how much of it was simply because I love hearing Ryohei Kimura speak.

Robotics;Notes definitely is the least memorable of the Science Adventure Series though. In terms of characters, story, setting, everything.

[orpheus2]

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

So what an ending it was, but I guess the Committee is still around for another, eh?

Pretty much. I am guessing the next one would be in space.Considering in the end, the main couple become astronauts.

[trinitem]

Originally Posted by orpheus2

Considering in the end, the main couple become astronauts.

Someone didn't get to go to space. Look closely at Gunvarrel's shoulder in the last scene.

[Kitsu Breaker]

What a epic Finale!
dammit!
I love so that much, I can´t stop watching now.
Thanks Production IG!

[Julio C]

That was an intense finale! I enjoyed how it ended. I was a good series overall, but it wasn't grand or anything memorable.

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by Kopi

So since the series has already ended, can anyone answer anything about the monopole? I mean it was Geji-nee that told the club about the monopole and where to find them which helps them build a robot that could move.. but wasn't Geji-nee under Kimijima Kou? Surely Kimijima won't want to lend a helping hand to anyone that could've disrupt his plans.

That, for me, is the one unanswered question (and yes, there are a few) that really stands out.

[ahelo]

I'm so frustrated with this series.

I LOVED it in its first half. It was solid. For something that promised to be "kids saving the world through geekiness", it sure felt subdued. Every character had quirks but they were mostly realistically acted (especially our lead). The overarching plot was interesting too but I love that the focus wasn't on that. They really made an amazing buildup here.

It's just that . . . WHY DID IT HAVE TO CRASH AND BURN? Eventually it turned into a huge cheesy epic "save the world through robots" that just didn't work for this series. I am forever annoyed. The characters did not deserve a crappy ending like this.

I'd like to say I still like the series even then but damn I really don't feel like it. Part of my frustration is that I even liked this more than Psycho Pass at points. But while P-P remained consistent all throughout, R;N just -- ugh.

I feel bad and annoyed. I wanted to be that person to justify that "NO Robotics;Notes isn't bad" but now even I can't do it. It was being unfairly compared to Steins;Gate in the beginning but now it's just terrible in its own merits.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

That, for me, is the one unanswered question (and yes, there are a few) that really stands out.

Same here. I can deal with the rest no matter how far-fetched it is, but this is way too much.

Only answer I've found was "read the fucking VN", which is not very helpful. And it doesn't make the adaptation any less bad for leaving that out completely. Monopoles' existence hasn't even been proven and yet a ton of them were raining from the sky in this show. You'd think they would at least attempt to provide an explanation for that.

[Dawnstorm]

Originally Posted by Kopi

So since the series has already ended, can anyone answer anything about the monopole? I mean it was Geji-nee that told the club about the monopole and where to find them which helps them build a robot that could move.. but wasn't Geji-nee under Kimijima Kou? Surely Kimijima won't want to lend a helping hand to anyone that could've disrupt his plans.

I have a theory on that one: We know that uploading someone's personality to the net creates an independent personality. Airi (original) =/= Airi (AI). So, Kimijima (original) might have wanted a backup-plan should Kimijima (AI) screw him over. Kimijima (original) always seemed to me to be some the kitsune-trickster archetype, not power-hungry as such, more causing trouble for everyone (including, probably, the committee and his AI-alter-ego; no telling how the AI would have ended up had the upload completed).

Even if that's somewhat close to the Kimijima's motivation, though, I have no idea where the monopoles actually come from. Also, I'd think that, if they revealed that the robot was running with a monopole motor, that might eclipse the robot aspect, no? It feels a bit silly: monopole discovery not shared, but used in secret to build a giant robot. Yay.

[larethian]

Overall I enjoyed the last arc of the show. Episode 23 was kind of sweet. Though the astronaut ending was a little...... meh? Now contemplating on reading either the VN or LN. The SF parts do leave much to be desired, but if I'm reading it, I guess it's more for the characters, which I hope are more developed than what's depicted in the anime.

[Kitsu Breaker]

That music in the end. make this episode very special to me.

[Diveman]

I'm still pissed that Kai chose Akiko for his girl after the tease we got from Frau. Clearly she was a better girl for him.

Overall it was an "ok" series, but I consider Chaos;Head to be much better.

[Kansokusha]

Originally Posted by CJ_Walker

seeing as this was the last ep I decided to catch up to it (I dropped this pos after mizukas death.)

wow. . B.S. all over the place.

-Cliche ending, wtf astronauts now?(after watching space borthers I findthis highly unlikely)

-Sawada's net handle should be deus ex machina (pun intended because...ROBOTS)

-and who the hell is Sawada anyway, we don't even see him in the show!

-Stupid Romance shoehorned in last ep(really they should have left it alone and left it unresolved between the blond chick, kai, and aki)

-Brainwashed by a computer program from a guy who was killed and somehow uploaded his consciousness or whatever to the net after he died? And even if it was just a program, how would it know how to torment misa and guilt trip her, and and and. . .fuck too many b.s. ass pulls there...so many questions I don't feel like typing wtf.

-BRAINWASHING?! ffs, seriously guys.

-Kimijima Kou not being able to kill a robot just standing there while he can run mach5 and kais robot is a rusty bucket that can barely move. . .

-one heart emp to kai knocks him out for like three days, but the next day he can take three in a row, and still have energy to yell and get out of the robot. . .

-the "tears" every time aki "pressed the button" like seriously. . .we all knew Kai was in no danger

-Misa for being a plot device. seriously her character was bad

-committee of 300? even akatsuki was more interesting as the cliched "evil organization" Hell Pokemon's "ELITE FOUR on GAMEBOY was more interesting.

-Subaru's Dad... why is he such a dick again? nope move on to Rusty Robot

-Monopoles? oh yeah we forgot.

-blond hared chicks mom? meh Kai kissed aki, so she doesn't matter anymore.

fuck this was bad...

Imagine if Gen would have done this instead. . .he would have let kimijima succeed in the end because the show is just so sappy, that it needs to be annihilated.

1/10 that 1point is for the arc with the blond chick, Kai, and the story about the mother, that was the high point of the series actually

the rest of the show was just fucktarded

Spoiler for VN spoilers:

- Astronaut -
Becoming an astronaut was always the dream of Kai, not until Misaki put a burden on him that is Aki. It's also revealed in the drama CD that because of his medical condition after the SS Anemone Incident, Kai could never become an astronaut. Hanada is a moron, he didn't do any research before writing that scene.

- Sawada -
Sawada is the head of Exoskeleton R&D and Misaki's supervisor. His father is a member of the Committee of 300 which he opposes. He secretly founded the Anti-committee to meddle with their plans. Takumi, Kurisu, Daru and Nae are amongst his comrades. Sawada has previously told Kai that they will find a way to eliminate Kimijima. In Daru’s last entry on Twipo, he said he’ll do anything for the sake of his wife and daughter. Like the DG297, the virus AR missile is also a product of Daru. When Kai is battling the KAMINAGI, Sawada personally communicates with Kai and transfers the virus to him.

- Kimijima -
You think uploading one's personality and memory is crazy? In universe, it's originated from the Visual Rebuilding Technology(VR) of the Victor Condria University a decade ago, especially the process of extracting and converting memories into data developed by Kurisu. When Misaki killed Kimijima in his own apartment, he only converted part of himself for the testing of the system. He is "incomplete" in the words of AI Kimijima. Now he's unreasonable, unfeeling and ruthless. But that doesn't effect the project a bit, because personal feeling is unnecessary for its success. Completing the experiment is always the sole intention of Kimijima Kou, and nothing can ever change it. While he could of used the Noah device he built with data scavenged from the fallen project, he can slowly brainwashing others with mere suggestions. kimijima has been studying psychological warfare and brainwashing since he's young. His suggestions exist in Misaki's mind as whispering voices, not that appears on every screens shit in the anime. Also the look and tone of Kimijima are more sinister in the VN. His face is so twisted that you can’t possibly tell whether he’s smiling or crying most of the time, whereas in the anime, he’s just your average bishounen. They even omitted the fact that he killed Airi’s parent for his own amusement and a way to control her in ep 21. Like Norose before him, he's a true mad scientist.

- Misaki -
There are a great deal of times you actually get into the head of Misaki, with all those psychological monologues. At one point she even questions herself if she’s Kimijima fitted with Misaki’s memory. When Aki finally recovered from her coma after the SS Anemone Incident, Misaki said she can die for seeing Aki’s smile again. She isolated herself from the ones she loved so that she can’t hurt them. In those ten years, she was fighting a losing battle against Kimijima alone, trying to kill herself only to be stopped by Kimijima every single time. But fate is so cruel that she intertwines with Kai and Aki again. All she wants is that they can kill her to end this nightmare once and for all. As we all know she got her happy ending in the hands of Kai, which she most deserved.

- Subaru's father -
Subaru and his fatehr had their time in the VN. The father even got some monologues on how he's depressed about his relationship with Subaru. Subaru got his fanaticism of robots from the toy robot that his father gave him at his birthday when he’s a kid. In the prelude novel it's revealed that when one day Subaru’s father met Kimijima, that sicko casually left suggestion in the father’s mind that slowly twisted his view on robots and his own son. He is so afraid that Subaru will eventually leave him due to his love of robots.

- The fate of Frau's mother -
It's still a mystery. Maybe it will be concluded in the on-going spinoff manga of Frau.

- The Committee of 300 -
Cliched evil organization? The Humanity Cattlization Project, to kill off 5 billion people is always their ultimate goal, first revealed in Chaos;head. With 1 billion left, they can easily manage the population and resources, in turn ensured the survival of humanity. Great achievement needs great sacrifices. Compared to Project Atum, the dystopia created by Program Zeta seems way mild. Most surely will see them as cruel monsters, but the Committee must think themselves the savior of humanity.

- Monopoles -
NASA’s Ulysses had already discovered the monopoles around the sun, but that info was concealed by the Committee. Kimijima uses that knowledge and instructs Geji-nee to emit electromagnetic radiation into the geomagnetosphere with the radar tower for many years, trying to pinpoint a perfect coordinate for him to detonate the BHB, and the monopoles are just a byproduct that indicates a success of the experiment. When Kai retrieves the 2nd report on Jul 31, he accidentally adjusted the antenna to the right direction. Monopoles start falling from the sky on Aug 11. It seems that the Committee will have a monoploy on the use of monopoles as a new energy source after the operation.

There are more I want to say. The original material is still decent. It just got fucked up by Hanada's hand of god awful.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Kansokusha

Spoiler for VN spoilers:

- Astronaut -
Becoming an astronaut was always the dream of Kai, not until Misaki put a burden on him that is Aki. It's also revealed in the drama CD that because of his medical condition after the SS Anemone Incident, Kai could never become an astronaut. Hanada is a moron, he didn't do any research before writing that scene.

- Sawada -
Sawada is the head of Exoskeleton R&D and Misaki's supervisor. His father is a member of the Committee of 300 which he opposes. He secretly founded the Anti-committee to meddle with their plans. Takumi, Kurisu, Daru and Nae are amongst his comrades. Sawada has previously told Kai that they will find a way to eliminate Kimijima. In Daru’s last entry on Twipo, he said he’ll do anything for the sake of his wife and daughter. Like the DG297, the virus AR missile is also a product of Daru. When Kai is battling the KAMINAGI, Sawada personally communicates with Kai and transfers the virus to him.

- Kimijima -
You think uploading one's personality and memory is crazy? In universe, it's originated from the Visual Rebuilding Technology(VR) of the Victor Condria University a decade ago, especially the process of extracting and converting memories into data developed by Kurisu. When Misaki killed Kimijima in his own apartment, he only converted part of himself for the testing of the system. He is "incomplete" in the words of AI Kimijima. Now he's unreasonable, unfeeling and ruthless. But that doesn't effect the project a bit, because personal feeling is unnecessary for its success. Completing the experiment is always the sole intention of Kimijima Kou, and nothing can ever change it. While he could of used the Noah device he built with data scavenged from the fallen project, he can slowly brainwashing others with mere suggestions. kimijima has been studying psychological warfare and brainwashing since he's young. His suggestions exist in Misaki's mind as whispering voices, not that appears on every screens shit in the anime. Also the look and tone of Kimijima are more sinister in the VN. His face is so twisted that you can’t possibly tell whether he’s smiling or crying most of the time, whereas in the anime, he’s just your average bishounen. They even omitted the fact that he killed Airi’s parent for his own amusement and a way to control her in ep 21. Like Norose before him, he's a true mad scientist.

- Misaki -
There are a great deal of times you actually get into the head of Misaki, with all those psychological monologues. At one point she even questions herself if she’s Kimijima fitted with Misaki’s memory. When Aki finally recovered from her coma after the SS Anemone Incident, Misaki said she can die for seeing Aki’s smile again. She isolated herself from the ones she loved so that she can’t hurt them. In those ten years, she was fighting a losing battle against Kimijima alone, trying to kill herself only to be stopped by Kimijima every single time. But fate is so cruel that she intertwines with Kai and Aki again. All she wants is that they can kill her to end this nightmare once and for all. As we all know she got her happy ending in the hands of Kai, which she most deserved.

- Subaru's father -
Subaru and his fatehr had their time in the VN. The father even got some monologues on how he's depressed about his relationship with Subaru. Subaru got his fanaticism of robots from the toy robot that his father gave him at his birthday when he’s a kid. In the prelude novel it's revealed that when one day Subaru’s father met Kimijima, that sicko casually left suggestion in the father’s mind that slowly twisted his view on robots and his own son. He is so afraid that Subaru will eventually leave him due to his love of robots.

- The fate of Frau's mother -
It's still a mystery. Maybe it will be concluded in the on-going spinoff manga of Frau.

- The Committee of 300 -
Cliched evil organization? The Humanity Cattlization Project, to kill off 5 billion people is always their ultimate goal, first revealed in Chaos;head. With 1 billion left, they can easily manage the population and resources, in turn ensured the survival of humanity. Great achievement needs great sacrifices. Compared to Project Atum, the dystopia created by Program Zeta seems way mild. Most surely will see them as cruel monsters, but the Committee must think themselves the savior of humanity.

- Monopoles -
NASA’s Ulysses had already discovered the monopoles around the sun, but that info was concealed by the Committee. Kimijima uses that knowledge and instructs Geji-nee to emit electromagnetic radiation into the geomagnetosphere with the radar tower for many years, trying to pinpoint a perfect coordinate for him to detonate the BHB, and the monopoles are just a byproduct that indicates a success of the experiment. When Kai retrieves the 2nd report on Jul 31, he accidentally adjusted the antenna to the right direction. Monopoles start falling from the sky on Aug 11. It seems that the Committee will have a monoploy on the use of monopoles as a new energy source after the operation.

There are more I want to say. The original material is still decent. It just got fucked up by Hanada's hand of god awful.

Thanx for the very informative post, Kanso. At least now I know that the source material is not a complete disappointment (the anime still is though).

[Kitsu Breaker]

This Finale, I can´t stop watching and listening!
is so awesome!