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Perfect 10 | 7 | 17.07% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 14 | 34.15% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 19.51% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 19.51% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 7.32% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.44% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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Also, Kud's reaction is a certain hint. Please be aware that Kud was shocked by what she'd -seen- considering the presentation of the scene. Quote:
Not the first time I see "might" used as a way to admit a fact, but present another alongside. Quote:
Haruka was abused, but so far she is not afflicted by anything, is sitll physically healthy and does manage to go to school. In fact, it is implied by her speech that ever since she is at school, she is no longer gnawed by the abuse of the family, save the spy they have sent so they keep her in check (which is probably the reason why they decided to "teach her a lesson" with the flyers). But what do you know about Kanata so far? Nothing, except that she was initially harassed by Haruka so the family would criticize her. And for a mere suggestion of "this has been gone too far", she was slapped hard. So anything further would probably lead to harsher punishment, despite being the "heir".
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You clearly didn't follow her conversation with Riki, did you? For one, Kanata got slapped just for not agreeing. The slap was hard that left a mark. Imagine what treatment did she get if she failed at something? What treatment did she get when not being able to keep Haruka in check? Also just as she said people believe that if they are unhappy, then everyone else is happy. That's the exact logic Haruka follows. She believes that her life is horrible while Kanata's is perfect. So called unhappy people don't stop to take a deeper look on so called happy people. I have same thing going with my sister. No, we are not harrasing each other and do talk normally. However, unlike me she openly shows her emotions and cries easily. She believes that I'm made out of rock because unlike her I don't react same way. But I'm a human being just like her and I get hurt just as much. Just because I don't show it doesn't mean I don't suffer. Even in medicine there is such thing: Who needs to be treated first from an accident? The one who cries in pain or the one that brushes it off? The answer is the second. If 1st person has enough strength to scream, they should be fine for now while the one who is quiet could slip away any moment and needs to be checked first. Just because they don't express pain doesn't mean they don't feel it. Besides there are those who simply feel it different than others. One of my friends friends has huge lack in sensitivity. She managed to burn her leg against a hot tube without noticing. She didn't feel pain even though her skin was boiling and falling off! Emotions are the same. Just because Kanata looks fine and cool doesn't mean that everything is perfect in her life. Haak She felt awkward when Kanata entered the room but there was no reason to feel awkward after that since she saw Kanata in pajamas after shower many times. She clearly saw something. At first I though that Kanata was crying but it it didn't really add up in my head. Bruises is the only thing I can think off because of the lack of sleeves. Urd's 2nd reaction also seemed slight different from the 1st. Besides Urd doesn't look very happy in preview either. Klashikari Thank you for clearing up some points in my place!
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2013-02-03, 14:11 | Link #43 | |
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2013-02-03, 14:17 | Link #44 | |
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2013-02-03, 14:20 | Link #45 |
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Except it wasn't a decision of the court. The court had nothing to do with the whole "who is Shou's daughter", exactly because none were involved with his murder. It was only the Saigusa frantically trying to figure out, in order to "weed out" the shame they have got through Shou's actions.
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As interesting as Triple R's statements are, I think we should remember that he does not know the outcome and did not play the game. He is just speculating. Please be gentle with him! He will learn the truth soon enough.
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As implied so far, the Saigusa does -not- care about the girls one bit. They have that strong family pride that base everything on prestige, bloodline and pedigree. As result, they gave credits to Kanata only because of criteria of success instead for what she and Haruka are. In such harsh environnment as this one, a family representative must be -shaped- to meet the family name standards. This is especially true for old fashioned asian family regarding their offspring as the family branch future, especially if it is a girl, because it would be the corner stone to make alliance with other families and strengthen their influence (even more evident with their customs of having 2 husbands for a given woman). Considering they only cared about Haruka and Kanata's genetics, and had to use their scholarship as a method of comparison in a last ditch of effort, you really cannot consider Kanata as cherished at all. Oh and don't worry. I only use the knowledge I have with usual families such as these... I think I have the knack with that kind of stories (*ahem* Umineko).
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2013-02-03, 14:43 | Link #50 |
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Perhaps I read more into Haruka's flashback sequence than I should have. It certainly seemed to me that Kanata was getting the cherished "Way to go, Champ!" treatment, while Haruka was being crudely cast down.
From my Canadian sensibilities, that makes me think of the classic "good daughter"/"bad daughter" conflict where one gets treated better than the other. But it sounds like something very different is at play here. My apologies, kitten, if I'm not getting implications/hints that probably resonate loudly to people who played the game.
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2013-02-03, 14:50 | Link #51 | |
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Dude, notice that in the OP Kanata's back is FULL of bruising. Hell, at t he end of the episode, Kud saw Kanata step out of the shower, naked, and was horrified. |
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2013-02-03, 14:58 | Link #52 | |
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In general sense, "usual" classic asian family push their offspring for both the family members satisfaction and the child's own future. However, those who show no interest to anything but the glory of the family are numerous, even to this day (it sure exist with western family, but this is a cultural element that are much more numerous with eastern cultures, not only asian). You would be surprised to find out the number of stories, real and fictions, portraying women as literal borrowed wombs, for such objective. Likewise, children are seen as stock to strengthen the bloodline, nothing more. But back to LB, that point is self evident when they initially wanted to know who is whose daughter, even before trying to educate them. And when they couldn't have what they wanted, they basically used an arbitrary fallacy: Shou = Murderer => shame for the Saigusa => his daughter would be the same kind of people => by default, she should be inferior to the other guy's kid! Ergo, the first one being superior in scholarship would be "obviously" the legitimate child! Even if education is the predominant factor of an individual growth and personality, they just used that archaic train of thought, so there you have it.
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2013-02-03, 15:01 | Link #53 | |
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Never played the game, everything I say is based purely on my speculations and how I see things.
Futaki is the family that abused Haruka so I see nothing in stopping them from abusing Kanata as well. They don't seem like a sane family and care only for their name and status. Family expects her to be perfect and in order to be perfect in EVERYTHING it demands a lot of time and effort. To be honest it is impossible to be perfect in anything but I don't think they understand that. And as I said Kanata got slapped for a tiny "slip of a tongue", for tiny imperfection in their eyes. I never watched Hansaku Iroha so I have no idea who is the character or what her story and family status is. So the point is irrelevant to me. Besides don't forget that we still have at least 1 more episode. Actually going by preview it seems to be the last one so if my speculations are correct, they'll be confirmed there. And I would really recommend to re-watch Urd scene. It might not imply what I said but it sure tried to tell us something. When Kanata entered the room, Urd hid under the covers. A reaction to the reason you give. I agree. However, what was the purpose of getting surprised the other time? Actually the first time since the other reaction was just being uncomfortable and a bit scared. Second was clear surprise. Kanata didn't say anything nor did she look at Urd. If Urd was feeling uncomfortable she would just keep observing from the covers with uncertain look. There was no need for her to get surprised unless she saw something. Creators also gave us a shot of what Urd was seeing. It is hard to see anything but I'm sure there are some clues. My guess are lack of sleeves since I can't spot anything else.
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You're not the only one. While we can probably just take the who's-who at face value, we technically don't know for certain that Haruka was the one who made the first cake. I kind of like the ambiguity.
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1) in this episode, Haruka herself stated she was no longer subject to abuse when she went to that school. Also, in her flashbacks, Haruka is only shown as a child, and never as a teenager. 2) The op was showing in an obvious fashion the usual "duality" between twins, by having Haruka and Kanata on screen, but in opposite positions. Then you have Haruka shown lonely, while followed with a untied long haired girl.
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All we have is to rely on tiny hints like slap and Urd's reaction as well as her Kanata's with Riki. And just to make it clear again, I never played the game. Everything I said is based on what I saw and my speculations. The reason as to why we might see things differently could be the following: 1) I duno about you but story and characters are very important factors to me. I take them very seriously especially when it comes to characters I like so I pay more attention to them. 2) Just as I mentioned before, Kanata strongly reminds me of myself. Actually Haruka should probably remind me more of myself since she was hiding all her hurt behind happy smile while Kanata seems to do it behind cold facade. I tend to use both. This might be why I look into Kanata's character differently than you. Oh! I only watched OP once and it was back in episode 1 Had to re-watch it and now that I've seen it, I feel like my words are closer to reality. EDIT: OOOPPPSSSS! It looks like I messed up Kud's name everywhere! My bad!
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2013-02-03, 15:33 | Link #58 |
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Thanks to Madoka Magica's OP and ED, and all of their red herrings that led to pointless speculation, I no longer even try reading anything of plot significance into anime OPs and EDs. Perhaps that creates blind spots with this anime, in fairness.
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For one, wouldn't that mean that when Haruka's acting out, Kanata is the only one that the family can punish for it? Why allow the Unfavorite to have so much freedom? Leading into the question that really bothers me: Why would the family try to hurt her with the posters? If they were trying to punish her, couldn't they just stop paying for her schooling and residence, forcing her either back under their roof where she can't embarrass them, or else send her somewhere far away? I assume they're still her legal guardians, even if she's physically out of their reach now that she lives in residence, and isn't being groomed as the heiress. |
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