2012-10-27, 18:38 | Link #1841 |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...b_2018663.html
This article lays it out for people who aren't in the know (the GOP doing a bunch of fillibusters and the whole 'make Obama a one-term president' thing). Nothing new to most people here, but it is good to see that article on the news pages for AOL and AOL Instant Messenger. I read most of the comments on the first page, and nearly everyone was in the right (knew about these things, condemning the GOP for it), but I read one comment where a guy basically said "Obama hasn't been trying to work with the republican party since day one and anyone who doesn't think so is misinformed; Obama has a plan to destroy America and blame it on the republicans (yes, he said that!). I mean, damn, I was gonna respond, but decided not to. But really, how could he say that and say the other people commenting were the ones misinformed? It is just crazy, he says that and says others are misinformed, and really, what you have is that the GOP have steered America down a path of doom for the last four years and blamed it on Obama and the democrats. I mean, the guy who left that comment is living in a bizarro world.
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2012-10-27, 18:44 | Link #1842 |
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Just a glimpse of two utterly different realities, one based in some regard for actual events - the other completely based in ideology with the "facts" created to fit the ideology.
And yes, this *can* happen no matter what end of the political spectrum you're on (I have 'left' relatives who are on the tin foil hat ride in regard to conspiracies, vaccines, electrical fields, and other modern 'demons'). But right now the biggest reality distortion bubble is with significant fraction of those who might vote GOP.
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2012-10-27, 18:51 | Link #1843 | |
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To be serious, I think that it isn't that the people don't live in "two different bubbles", it could be just that people are being paid to write this kind of stuff to sway the opposition and create doubt, but with the GOP messing themselves up royally, these people just got sick, turning to just simply write something lame, take the money and run. Reuters and Marketwatch have plenty of these kind of comments. And with the way they write, I sometimes wonder if these writers, hired or not, are equally lunatic as their idols/employers.
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2012-10-27, 18:52 | Link #1844 |
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*peeps from under the 'non-Western' rock.
Is it over yet? I hear peeps have already voted way in advance so it's decided right? No high chances of cheating or votes being rigged again, right? Early voting: Is the election already decided?
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2012-10-27, 19:22 | Link #1845 | |
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2012-10-27, 19:37 | Link #1846 |
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I read a lot of stuff since yesterday. Apparently, Obama looks to be in contention to win the election on electoral votes. HOWEVER, those stupid polls keep saying Romney is ahead on popular vote. Can somebody tell me what's the mindset in the US right now? When you look at how Romney got battered in the debates, changed opinions in several subject matters and also that his own men came up with all that crap about abortion/rape, how would that be possible that popular vote goes Romney's way?
For the record, Bill Clinton had to climb his way with solid stuff in order to throw down George Bush. I don't think Romney has anything as appealing and comparable to what Clinton had when the task was to defeat a President, who's trying to be re-elected. |
2012-10-27, 19:39 | Link #1847 |
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Not that it matters...but for those of you still playing "Team Jacob (Democrat Dogs) verses Team Edward (Republican Bloodsuckers)" here's something for you.
Gallup: Obama's Job Approval Drops 7 Points in 3 Days http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gall...-points-3-days
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2012-10-27, 19:43 | Link #1849 |
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To some degree, it comes down to stubbornness, low-information voters, misinformed voters, race (black guy in the white house, o the horror), religion ("muslim" in the WH, think of the fetus, da gey).
It has been joked that the US is sort of a third world country (regressive views in much of the country) with shiny magic toys and a powerful army. Not entirely a joke. It will be interesting to watch how the fading demographic the 'zealot' GOP represents will handle their marginalization over the next 10 years. The GOP has lost their chance with the Latinos (normally a rather conservative group) and other non-white demographics. See, I largely agree with GundamFan0083 on the corporatist hijacking of both parties ... but I still think there's a substantive difference on social/rights issues. The GOP has a large contingent that believes in class and the privilege of class (southern aristocracy, etc) and a narrow religious theocracy. The Dems were able to throw that lot out in '64 over the Civil Rights Act. They migrated to the GOP and have been festering there for 50 years.
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2012-10-27, 20:10 | Link #1850 | |
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I won't defend Obama's record too much, and I sure as heck don't like our current political system or climate, but it does no one any good to be constantly spouting off all of this misinformation. FOX and other information sources seem to think they're somehow saving the Republic from "the evils of liberalism", but in reality they're corrupting it with witch hunts and red herrings. Whatever truth may exist out there is corrupted with sensationalism and manipulation. I've said it before, but it bears repeating: there is no way Romney should be this close to winning. That he is speaks so much about money in politics, how poorly the media is doing their jobs, and how little the average American actually researches information or truly cares about what is going on outside their bubble. It speaks so much about why people are truly suffering, and it all boils down to their own ignorance, greed, and stupidity.
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2012-10-27, 20:28 | Link #1851 | |
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2012-10-27, 21:23 | Link #1852 | |
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In Florida, black churches scramble to get early voters to polls
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2012-10-27, 21:55 | Link #1853 |
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Since this thread has been almost completely devoid of Mitt Romney support for its entire duration, I'll just say that I have faith in Romney no matter what anyone else says. I have faith that he's a good person and, if elected, will be a good president.
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A split congress makes it less likely the social wingnuts will get their way. Downside is I feel like we're basically toast for Supreme Court appointments unless Romney can shake off the extremists and move center.
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I guess we're not far from the truth when using the metaphor about the mentality of a third world country instead of rising above everyone as a center for modern ideas. Harold and Kumar movies sure depicted very well (although in a funny way) what the hell is going wrong in the American society. Quote:
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He may be a decent family man in his private life or whatever and have some values there, but the Republican party is all about towing the line and they aren't going to allow the man a single independent thought if he gets into office. It's nice and all to have faith in people, but let's not be naive here. Like Vexx in that scenario where Romney becomes president I would be placing more of my faith in the Democrats in Congress to do damage control by vetting the brutally bad policy before I trust someone from a party that simply does not serve the common interest of 250 million plus people and has proven it time and time again through it's voting record. Remember it's one thing to begrudge a man personally and another to begrudge him for his politics and in this case what you're seeing in the thread is almost assuredly based on the latter. |
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2012-10-27, 23:15 | Link #1857 | ||
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Yeah... I think the "There is NO excuse for ignorance in this day and age " rhetoric is unreasonable. It's true that some people are inexcusably ignorant (Like the many people who don't even recognize Joe Biden in photographs), but people shouldn't be blamed for watching the 'wrong' news stations or reading the 'wrong' websites. They make judgments based on the information that's given to them. If that information is wrong and the resulting judgment is therefore erroneous, the blame should fall upon whoever spread the lie or the misinformation in the first place. Sorry if it's such a terrible thing to not be aware of the 'proper' news sources in a world that's oversaturated with such things these days (Thanks to there being dozens of news stations and thousands of websites to select from), but people shouldn't be accused of being lazy and uncaring of important issues just because they haven't been able to successfully traverse the maze that is the political and media world and find the most reliable sources like you two (supposedly) have.
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Anyway, I'll leave it at that and just say that I left my post vague for a reason. I wanted to voice a bit of support towards Romney because this thread has been so overwhelming anti-Romney its entire run. I wasn't looking for a debate, and have no desire to participate in one (and I was hoping that nobody would try to bait me into one). Sorry. |
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2012-10-27, 23:48 | Link #1860 | ||
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This should be between the Green Party and the Libertarians with the Justice and Constitution parties next in line. The Dems and Republicans should be part of a museum exihbit about political parties of the 19th century. It's the media that has kept them relevant for the last 100 years. Quote:
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