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2012-11-02, 13:12 | Link #622 |
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When people talk about autocracy being more effective, I think they're incorrect. I think autocracy at best only works in the first/second generation, and only while that generation still has a grip on reality. Ultimately autocracy leads to madness. They end out so separated from reality, that as they spend most of the time defending themselves against internal "enemies", but these powerplays among ruling cliques is more like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Ultimately, they're all doomed.
In China the cycle is particularly obvious, most Dynasties start out dynamic, innovative and competent; but ultimately end out rotten to the core. The CCP is just another dynasty in the cycle. The liberal western system is best, because it allows old corrupt hierarchies to die, and be replaced by new dynamic ones, in a peaceful manner. |
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However, I wonder how this news will affect Mitsubishi's ATD-X project considering the original timeline said the project would be launched in 2016 and enter in production in 2027. Some people speak of this one to be the current leading project to be the first class of 6th generation fighter jets, but I guess that won't be enough to calm down the people reading the recent news article above. I hope this could work too. I would challenge anyone to tell me how and why it might not work when the concepts of provincial and federal governments would still exist. The Germans and the Japanese managed to hold some form of sustained success with a more liberal system after decades (if not centuries) under a government working as an autocracy. |
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2012-11-02, 18:52 | Link #625 | ||
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2012-11-02, 20:33 | Link #626 | |
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The PRC hasn't even lasted one century yet, there are quite a few western democratic nations that have been around for far longer. |
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The regime is still young. That said, the PRC has already dodged one of the bullets that felled the USSR, in that it has succesfully passed power down to a new generation of leaders (the USSR, by contrast became a decaying gerontocracy). I still think the CCP will fall most likely in my own lifetime, though I may be 80 before that happens. As I see it, any autocratic order at best only has 50 or so good years of governance in it (at best) before it "goes south". In olden days such regimes could still linger for quite a while in this state, largely due to the constraints on the flow of information. Today, however, information flows fast, and once an autocratic regime weakens, it's doomed to fall apart. Trying to repress popular discontent is like trying to completely block a river. The water is only going to build up until it spills over the top. The only forward is to let the water through in a controlled way, but it's a lot easier to control water then it is to control information... |
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China has always managed to more of less reunify itself. It has done so like ten times. The only comparison in Europe is Rome, which was a one-time thing. China has had many polities come and go, but its heritage remains continuous. The reverence Chinese have held for Confucian thought is unparalleled compared to anything, even Christianity, I would argue, in the West. The Daoist philosophy has been passed down for a few thousand years and, in conjunction with Confucianism, deeply shapes the "Chinese character". I don't think anything similar exists for Greece, Rome, or Egypt. Perhaps India, Japan, and Persia might quality. Quote:
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One thing I have seen in successful democratic countries is that they all held on to their history and culture, perhaps as a result of stable geopolitical circumstance, but nonetheless retained a good sense of their national character. That, in addition to the fact that they are liberal states tolerant of various opinions, is IMO why they work well. I think that China does not have that "cultural stability", something that can really give weight to the word "patriotism". All it has right now is a party, one that is isolated from the feelings of the people and whose days are probably numbered. If China is to become stable and prosperous in the long term, it has to rediscover itself, and the surest way to do that is to reconnect with the past. Quote:
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Are you actually seriously standing there telling us that the China of today is anything at all like it was 2500 years ago? You're looking through some seriously tinted glasses there. Quote:
"Interestingly enough, China has also lasted longer than any Western liberal state." There's a huge difference between cultures and actual entities of governance, and they're NOT interchangeable. Also, it's not "reunification", it's usually rebellion mixed in with the occasional invasion, or are you saying that the Mongol Empire was secretly Chinese? Quote:
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2012-11-03, 08:59 | Link #631 | |
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2012-11-03, 12:55 | Link #635 | |
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Why are even at the 5th generation right now? I mean why do we need them? For all those dogfights we get into with the Taliban? (as Bill Maher ones asked)
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2012-11-03, 13:01 | Link #636 | |
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The talk was about Chinese culture being destroyed under Mao and the currect PRC failing in culture department. What about the ROC? Where did they stand on Chinese culture? Could they reintroduce it if they managed to somehow take over when the PRC government fails? Quote:
These being the United States, Russia, and China. The Superpower, the Former Superpower, and the potental raising Superpower. Plus Russia could always come back around again. We hope they don't and that China will not become a full time enemy like they use to be..but with the military, it is always about keeping ahead of a potental enemy. Even if the enemy you are currently fighting has nothing that can stand against your technology. They aren't the ones the weapons are being built to counter.
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2012-11-03, 14:19 | Link #639 | |
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You didn't answer my "riddle". I didn't bother to read LeoXiao and the others' political discussions. Experience shows those are generally pointless and go nowhere. |
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2012-11-03, 14:46 | Link #640 | |
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6th generation fighter jet won't have a pilote on board, if they have a pilote at all.
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