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View Poll Results: Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 7 | 16.28% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 12 | 27.91% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 30.23% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 20.93% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 2.33% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.33% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2007-09-01, 22:04 | Link #341 |
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I believe I have said this before
I think Erio and Caro along with some other characters were intended for another storyline arc, but were forcibly included into this season What storyline could that be? Well.. Erio being a squire is potential start, for instance. For that alone you can start a "what does being a knight, mean?" approach |
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The forwards aren't anything special right. They seem to be a mismatch of unwanted kids. How you evaluate the teachers' worth is up to you. Personally, i'd cut them some slack and base it mostly on how they convey and present information, not how well their kids apply it. Either way, you said to base it on the student they come up with. So you dO just that. Last time i checked, they haven't graduated from nanoha's class yet. |
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2007-09-02, 00:23 | Link #343 | ||||
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He already agreed to this. But from the one scene, it seems like she has the makings of a teacher, which is as it should be. One of the commanders' tasks is in fact to educate his subordinates, so that they can one day take over the job. Being a good teacher ain't everything for a commander, but it hardly hurts.
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If you must have a graduation is the unit's Initial Operational Capability. And that was oh, in Ep5. |
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2007-09-02, 01:29 | Link #344 | |
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i dunno all this military lingo, but 'not dropping your guard while enemies are around', that's a basic training concept right? It's pretty much common sense. As with the forwards fking up in the heat of the moment, i'd attribute most of that to their inexperience :/ Last edited by rtwesen; 2007-09-02 at 01:59. |
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2007-09-02, 05:21 | Link #346 |
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I don't think that the Forwards messing up all the time really affects the show...it just showing the difference from them to the Aces. It's pretty much the "shounen" factor of Nanoha that they're trying to dodge, you know the whole "powerful already with not much experience yet" kind of attribute that most shounen titles have.
The Forwards were used to balance things out. But I guess we are just all surprised on how the tide has changed since the second half of StrikerS has started. If we all read the whole description of StrikerS, I swear it was always going to be about the Forwards and how little by little, they start to understand their devices and master their magic attacks more better. I think the first half of StrikerS was clearly pointing in the direction of Hayate development as being a commander/leader of her own division in TSAB and the Forwards and their pasts problems that could affect the present time that they are in and how the enemy can somehow use that as their advantage (project F especially). I agree that the Teana problem took quite long and the so called "relationship" between Erio, Caro, and Lutecia was bound to happen, but it didn't sadly. I think towards the second half of StrikerS, the writers feared that there was one extreme element that they were missing and the reason why they made a 10 year time skip from A's and that was...NanohaXFate. So Vivio came in, Nanoha took her in and Fate, being Nanoha's best friend, supported Nanoha's decision and also took Vivio into her care...making much more room for NxF to please the fans who were not finding StrikerS interesting because of the lack of interaction between Fate and Nanoha. I will just say this again, StrikerS just became bad when the second half of the story started. Almost time for episode 23, hopefully, we may get some answers to whatever is remaining of the smashed side plots. EDIT: The "final thoughts and impressions" thread doesn't start until the last episode has aired right?...I'm guessing that once that thread is created, everyone will truly speak their mind on how StrikerS turned out to be... Back on topic, in the ending of this episode, there was something being typed...what did it read out? Also, I find Scaglietti entering the battle a bit strange shouldn"t he be watching over his main lab instead of interfering with a fight that has the opponent really outnumbered? Last edited by Ultima_Rasengan05; 2007-09-02 at 05:39. |
2007-09-02, 05:49 | Link #347 | |
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2007-09-02, 05:56 | Link #348 |
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oh...well feel free to post away...I think I missed a lot of points still yet, but I'll wait until the "final thoughts" thread is created.
As for Scaglietti, he surely seems like he could take on Fate with just his AMF glove device...since the good guys always win, I wonder how Fate will get out of that situation, and since she did lose her cool when she came face to face with Scaglietti in a monitor, which I still find a little unprofessional of Fate doing such a thing. |
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2007-09-02, 07:21 | Link #350 |
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And to add another comment,i fell that halfway through the series, the change in storyline abd with the strange animation of the later episodes,i just feel that the 2nd half of strikers does not seem to belong to the season,but yet the fact remains as such.
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2007-09-02, 07:44 | Link #351 | |
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You're saying that we should judge nanoha's teaching skills based on the quality of students she produces. Firstly: You're talking as if everything they did wrong was nanoha's fault. It IS, in terms of military hierarchy, but in terms of teaching, the students themselves need to be able to apply what they were taught. That is not in the control of nanoha. The best teacher in the world can teach everything to a kid, but ultimately, it's up to the kid to apply and use it. Secondly (to your previous previous post!): even if there wasn't any type of 'graduation' and advanced unit training(?) is continuous, it's clear that the forwards haven't be taught everything nanoha intended to, yet. If you judge nanoha's teaching on the results, wait until she actually produces results. If you're halfway through writing an essay and someone reads it, most likely than not, it'd be shitter than it should be. |
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2007-09-02, 07:55 | Link #352 | |
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To bounce back your analogy "She burned 3 cakes, does that make her a bad baker when the shop is filled with good ones?" I also fail to see the three. I can understand viewing Subaru as the two -though I don't agree with it- but who would be the three? |
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2007-09-02, 08:05 | Link #353 | |||
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But then, I suppose by TSAB standards, they were well-trained and motivated. I mean, look at the competition (look at the Ep 16 scenes of the TSAB mages wimping out on the sight of those Gadget Drones). Which is to show how relying on TSAB word-of-mouth is a mistake... Quote:
1) Assume that Nanoha is doing OK, and the student's raw material suck. 2) Assume that the student's actually had the raw material, and Nanoha sucks. Considering that at least Teana and Subaru were recommended by their old commander as the top of their battalion, it seems clear that she already had the pick of the C->B rank raw material. Erio also has to be quite good to have received the B-rank at his age, according to Teana, so he's an elite there too. Unless I am to assume that Midchildrans are somehow mentally inferior to Earth norm, which does not seem to be the case, I have to assume that the "pick of the TSAB" is at least trainable by Terran standards. Then, if the raw material is OK, who is responsible. The Training Officer, Nanoha, of course. She seems to be doing a good job (or at least putting in substantial effort) in teaching them personal fighting skills, but she's not doing much for dedicated tactical or moral-psychological training (in fact, I don't even remember a single session of this, which suggests maybe it didn't happen). Quote:
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2007-09-02, 09:11 | Link #354 | |
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I need to get this off my chest...
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Following thru... On the subject of results, performance and whatnot in StrikerS, there's also the glaring fact that the three Aces are collectively known to be the best in their fields. Despite the tear-inducing way they portray the chain of command in TSAB (and sadly, Hayate more so compared to the other two), they seem to be expecting us to give them the benefit of the doubt. While I'm willing to give the writers some slack in their writing, the way they show TSAB as a whole in their methods of dealing with the recent incidents speaks a whole lot about their standards... I'm not going to start arguing with arkhangelsk and Mirificus about military and combat tactics, because I agree with them to some degree as well. However, the way TSAB works and how the military on Earth works are obviously different on several points. So I'm not really that rattled about how RF6 failed in episode 17 in general. I see the game as rigged, anyway. And they are obviously not subject to follow real life and Earth military doctrine to the last frickin minor detail down to microscopic levels. That much I can forgive and attribute to faulty writing. Only the Aces' unfounded overconfidence and the no device inside matter gained a noticeable from me. (Kitto, daijoubu? Oh please...) What really bothers is how they seem to be portraying the TSAB (at least GC) as completely redshirt-only material. And almost the ENTIRE gamut of higher-ups in general... If I am to complain about how the splitting up prior to the Cradle attack, I have to notice first that NONE of the more experienced (Chrono, Admiral Midget, Lindy, NOBODY) complained about how RF6 moved out. So to THEM, (NON-Earthlings, Aliens, Out-worlders, whatever you want to call them) it was a sound plan. Again, a seeming invalid point to complain about aside from maybe saying it's needed for dramatics, which wasn't too nicely portrayed at all for some. And on the subject of storytelling and plot, one sentence. Excessive Vivio and NXF fanservice. No need to elaborate. About character development... Nanoha = No complaints. It's HER season in particular after all. (Director's comment) Fate = Fine... Except that she seems to be too pissed with Jail for her own good. Professionalism? Hayate = SHAFT BREAKER'D. So much so that it can make one cry. Third main character. Third Ace. Self-guilt. Living tool angle. CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!! Down, down the drain... Made to look like a side-character. Relegated to an almost defenseless nuker for plot-convenience. (Yes, yes. Her output is so incredibly high that she can't control it well without Rein, as stated in episode 2. But please! Those producers just HAD to add insult to injury by making her neglect close-range basic defense. This isn't even about tactics! This is about common sense, already!)(Still, they can make her just overly humble and make her appear not as bad in melee as she claims, maybe even for a fourth season if they make one, but until they do so, a vein will keep on pulsing above my head.) A field season for torturing Hayate fans... (such as myself) Tactics? I can forgive. It's TSAB after all. And more about her plight courtesy of KoizumiAcous. But that's little solace... Subaru = Okay. She's a cyborg. A cyborg who is even less straight than rainbows (I so got more yuri vibes in SubaruXTeana in one season compared to NXF in all seasons+Sound Stages+manga combined) And then? Given hardly half an episode of explanation and were back to happy-happy days again. Well, I'd say that she was developed enough. Teana = Well developed. At least she passed. Ginga = Not enough in my opinion. Nice Drill-arm there. Erio = Project F. Okay. We're done. That seemed to be what the producers were gunning for. Oh, and yeah. He takes the carrots for Caro. Caro = She can summon. She was banished. Can summon BahamutVoltaire and is now trying to befriend a girl she hardly knows... That's it? Fried = KYU! KYUU! KYUKURU~! Period. Oh. And you so looked like a parrot during episode 22. Rein = Ehh... Perhaps. A better and whole lot more useful MOE character compared to Vivio. Signum = Too little screentime and combat... Vita = More developed than the rest of the Ancient Belka troupe. Shamal = Ehh... maybe. Zafira = GAR speech only allowed after being royally pwned by a cyborg dual-lightsaber chick and a reverse-trap. I can still see a small glimmer of hope... Vice = I'm sensing a bit more. Will wait for the future episodes... Aina = More development than Zafira... And to think she's a random maid... Carym = Fortune teller and is always with Chrono. Could have been developed more. Acous = Hinted to be possibly better than the Aces in the manga... Shafted in the Jail infiltration. Where is he? Schach = Acous' nanny some years ago. A AAA-land mage. Has Tonfas... Chrono = Likes to hang out with Carym and still can't resist the compelling pull of sisconism. What was he investigating undercover by the way? Stinger Blade: Execution Shaft'ed. Lutecia = Not enough, not nearly enough. NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH! And now she's about to be befriended by almost complete strangers.. She should have been a bigger focus compared to Vivio... Zest = Only Agito seems to be affected. And yeah, 'Breaker of Armed Devices.' Agito = Hotblooded Unison Device that loves her 'Danna.' Oh. And possible Signum Unison partner in the future. Numbers = Need more work. A whole lot more work. Jail = At least they got him right. Regius = Fatso dickhead. Zest's friend. Auris = Due? I wish she was Due. [/RANT OVER] <BIG sigh> There... I feel better... Just my opinions.
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2nd is Teana 3rd is Caro First there was Caro's reactions in the sewers. After clearing their way through waves of hostile drones. Caro finds the relic case and picks it up only to be attacked by Garyu. Moments later when Lutecia pick it up, instead of alerting any of her squad-mates, she just runs straight towards Lutecia with her guard down and gets blown into a wall before she can get effective defenses up. Caro abandoning Teana and Subaru in episode 21 at a critical moment when they needed help so she could run off and make friends was a gross tactical error. Quote:
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The writers seem to be spending a lot more time telling rather than showing in Strikers which usually isn't a very positive sign when it comes to film and tv writers-craft.
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A lot of the problems can be attributed to sloppy/lazy writing and poor time budgeting.
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