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Namely, the endgame answer session of Episode 5. Much of the red said in this session only fits together well if everyone is already dead, and at the moment the endgame answer session starts, the game time is declared to be frozen at 24:00 by Lambda. Ambiguities only disappear if everyone who is still alive dies as the grandfather clock strikes twelve.
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2010-06-16, 12:28 | Link #11104 | |
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For example we know that Battler never killed anyone and he's no accomplice. However "because of him everyone dies". Therefore it is possible that Beatrice claims to be the cause of Battler's death in EP4 because of some indirect way, like for example in the case she knows the island is going to blow up (apparently the seagulls do) be she refuses to warn everyone for some kind of reason related to Battler's short memory. Then again the whole idea that the Beatrice Kinzo always cries about is not actually a woman would be an awesome Citizen Kane reference.
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2010-06-16, 12:32 | Link #11105 |
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I'm still fond of the notion of Beatrice literally being a bomb, if only in a literary sense, as it makes the epitaph pretty funny.
Putting the witch to sleep for all time = permanently disarming the bomb. Of course, that would mean Kinzo knows about the bomb, feels affectionate toward it, had a painting made of a woman reputed to be a bomb (but also the woman actually existed), and needless to say it gets a bit stupid at this point.
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So it doesn't quite work out. Quote:
Shannon: "Beatoriche-sama, yu da bomb!"
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2010-06-16, 13:00 | Link #11109 |
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<_< >_> 0_o....
Anyways, I haven't come up with much on my Numerological studies, I have found some numbers that fit into the date of Ushiromiya meeting, but I don't think those are anything important. However, I have become to theorize that the code 07151129 is somehow related to the Epitaph, in which they both lead to a Golden Land. If so, then the numbers presented in the Epitaph have some meaning that correlates to the code or the code is represented in the Epitaph as being the key. Outside of that, I have noticed a contradiction in the Epitaph. In Numerological standards, there is no 10 since it would be seen as 1+0, so the tenth twilight in the Epitaph doesn't exist. So, if there is no Golden Land, then Battler shouldn't have met Beatrice and all the games outside of the first never existed. Of course, these are small observations and guesses, nothing big yet. |
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2010-06-16, 13:24 | Link #11111 |
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Romans 7:15 (New International Version): I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
Romans 11:29 (New International Version): for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Then again, you can find pretty much anything in the Bible.
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Wow, I didn't know that... That's a good guess on my part! Well, as long as my guess is varified, I'm sure my math will lead me to something. This is going to hurt like f*ck on my brain, but I'll be able to do it. Also, thanks for the Biblical find, I think that might help.
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2010-06-16, 13:28 | Link #11113 | |
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It almost fits, you know. 8) Kinzo's the one in the wheel chair doing in appropriate Nazi salutes. Krauss is the ineffectual and weak US president... Rosa's the closest one to the war mongering general... |
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2010-06-16, 13:28 | Link #11114 |
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Actually, considering that all magic circles use quotes from Psalms, and 07151129 first appears where one would and is displayed as one, it probably should be Psalms:
Psalm 7:15 (New International Version): He who digs a hole and scoops it out falls into the pit he has made. Psalm 112:9 (New International Version): He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor, his righteousness endures forever; his horn [a] will be lifted high in honor. Footnotes: Psalm 112:9: Horn here symbolizes dignity. P.S. Actually, there's only a limited number of quotes I'll be able to squeeze out of the Bible by applying 07151129, so I'll go fish and post the lot in a moment.
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2010-06-16, 13:34 | Link #11115 | |
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Hell, Kinzo built a chapel on his island. Either he's as into Western architecture as he is into Western occultics, or he built it for some religous purpose. I wouldn't put it past Kinzo to be a Christian or a Catholic. "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate to do." Sort of feels like what Battler was going through for the first four Episodes. Though that has nothing to do with the Epitaph. |
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2010-06-16, 13:37 | Link #11116 | |
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2010-06-16, 13:37 | Link #11117 |
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Psalms 7:7 (KJV) So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high.
This one sounds likely that it's referenced in the epitaph. The praise my name on high part.
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2010-06-16, 14:07 | Link #11118 |
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Ok, going from the assumption that 07151129 is an encoded Biblical message, here is what I get. I'm using the New International Version as the reference as it is the most language agnostic, there's no telling which one Ryukishi might have used, though just to be sure I'll do the same for King James for the more promising ones. We have no indication which book of the Bible to use, so I'm going through all of them in order, let's see if we get anything that sounds interesting. I'm assuming that "07" means "7", since numbering in the Bible starts at 0.
Only those where both passages numbered in this manner exist are listed. Genesis: Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. Abram and Nahor both married. The name of Abram's wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor's wife was Milcah; she was the daughter of Haran, the father of both Milcah and Iscah. Leviticus: The meat of his fellowship offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the day it is offered; he must leave none of it till morning. 'Of the animals that move about on the ground, these are unclean for you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, Numbers: one young bull, one ram and one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; But Moses replied, "Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!" Deuteronomy: The LORD will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. When the LORD your God has brought you into the land you are entering to possess, you are to proclaim on Mount Gerizim the blessings, and on Mount Ebal the curses. Judges: When Gideon heard the dream and its interpretation, he worshiped God. He returned to the camp of Israel and called out, "Get up! The LORD has given the Midianite camp into your hands." Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 1 Kings: He cast two bronze pillars, each eighteen cubits high and twelve cubits around, by line. About that time Jeroboam was going out of Jerusalem, and Ahijah the prophet of Shiloh met him on the way, wearing a new cloak. The two of them were alone out in the country, 1 Chronicles: Makir took a wife from among the Huppites and Shuppites. His sister's name was Maacah. Another descendant was named Zelophehad, who had only daughters. Sibbecai the Hushathite, Ilai the Ahohite, Nehemiah: of Binnui in En Rimmon, in Zorah, in Jarmuth, Psalms 11:29 does not exist, but 112:9 does: He who digs a hole and scoops it out falls into the pit he has made. He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor, his righteousness endures forever; his horn will be lifted high in honor. Proverbs: So I came out to meet you; I looked for you and have found you! He who brings trouble on his family will inherit only wind, and the fool will be servant to the wise. Matthew: Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Mark: Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' Jesus replied, "I will ask you one question. Answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. Luke: The dead man sat up and began to talk, and Jesus gave him back to his mother. As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. John: The Jews were amazed and asked, "How did this man get such learning without having studied?" When Mary heard this, she got up quickly and went to him. Acts: Then Jacob went down to Egypt, where he and our fathers died. The disciples, each according to his ability, decided to provide help for the brothers living in Judea. Romans: I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 1 Corinthians: But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 2 Corinthians: And his affection for you is all the greater when he remembers that you were all obedient, receiving him with fear and trembling. Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn? Hebrews: And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned. So, which do you ladies and gentlemen find the the most interesting and do any of them make any Umineko sense?
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I would probably say Psalms is the book to mine from, seeing as how the other spells were phrases from that. At worst, maybe Proverbs as well?
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2010-06-16, 14:12 | Link #11120 |
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Didn't catch anything incredibly mind-warping, but I did catch a wolf in sheep's clothing line, which is sort of related to Maria's puzzle book.
Oh, I've got it! Maria's puzzlebook is secretly a Bible! Nah. Other than that, I've got nothing. Sorry Oliver, but I think the Bible search was futile. |
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