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Shinji103 · 2006-09-30, 16:50

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Originally Posted by molitar

Very good series. I enjoyed it alot. Tho I am curious how did Daijuji and Al make them meet again in their own time? After all they flew off with Demonbane after arranging them (themselves) to meet once again.

As Kathryn Janeway once said, "My advice: don't try to make sense of time travel. It'll save you one hell of a headache."

(okay, maybe that's not an exact quote, I haven't seen that episode in forever, but you get the point

)

Levski · 2006-09-30, 20:21

Ok i tought this series was pretty awsome.

Positive things:

Episode 5: The way he handled her and the touchy part i liked

Is this like the hottest scene seen in anime ever besides ofcourse hentai?

I LOVED how their relationship evolved. It was funny and how he constatly got called perved and that stuff even though most of the time he didn't do anything.

Cons:

I wish it showed them lead their lives a bit after they met. Maybe have a kid or something. Just 5 or more mins to just nail it in you know. Maybe having a sexy dinner on the beach

lol...

Two questions:

Who were those guys on the end? I mean they looked like them, however more mature (Al was taller :O ooo) anybody know what the deal was with that?

Why didn't the robot remember him? Did he like go back in time or something? If he did go back didn't the Princess look like she remembered?

If Al is like 1000 years and he is like 20 or 25 and they marry what do they put for their age on the certificate? lol...

DwArD · 2006-09-30, 21:00

Er....forget about the marrying part. I'm sure most people here didn't even have that thought in the first place. I mean....how are people going to react when an adult married a....'loli'? Forget about the age but....its a crime to marry a loli! Furthermore, Al isn't human you know....so who cares about marrying as long as they're together....

Levski · 2006-09-30, 21:55

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Originally Posted by DwArD

Er....forget about the marrying part. I'm sure most people here didn't even have that thought in the first place. I mean....how are people going to react when an adult married a....'loli'? Forget about the age but....its a crime to marry a loli! Furthermore, Al isn't human you know....so who cares about marrying as long as they're together....

first the "nun" will give him shit cause he is with her

not mary (wrong usage of words) but like show them being together or something more than "i love you ok show ova"...

something a bit more... felt too sudden to end it. i kinda felt bad for her since she never was loved or loved anybody or pretty much felt emotions

Shiroth · 2006-10-01, 17:45

Of course the Demonbane anime has nothing on the original source material.. but still, i really enjoyed the anime - with it having one hell of a kick arse soundtrack. :3

It might take a while, or just another rewatch.. but i can easily see this show becoming one of my top 10.

Spinner187 · 2006-10-01, 21:19

Good anime, but I didn't like how near the end the battle scenes last 4 seconds. I think it was in episode 11 that the titus/orge fight last 6.5 seconds, not very impressive. But the ending made even little sense.

1. Did Daj go back in time, before he met Al, but only he and Al remember everything?
2. Ok the whole tear jerking scene where AL and Demonbane send Daj back to earth just to end up seeing her at the bay with no explanation.
3. Who the hell are the doubles of Al and Daj that look older(The older AL is much hotter =P).

If anyone can fill me in, I would appreciated it

Spinner187 · 2006-10-01, 21:28

Ok I guess I'm going to answer my own questions, and to help you guys out

this is from wikipedia.

"Demonbane TV's ending is entirely original, made up for the TV series. It at first takes after Al's good ending, but instead of having her drift through space for aeons, it has the Elder Gods Kurou and Al-Azif (from Al's true ending) rescue her and bring her right back to Arkham."

If you don't get it, it takes two ends from the actual game, and put them together.

I guess you have to play the game for it to make sense.

guitarboy · 2006-10-01, 22:58

for those who've played the game, can someone please explain to me what actually happened at the end

thanks

Shiroth · 2006-10-02, 06:28

I really didn't know what doesn't make sense about the ending.. maybe you guys just need to rewatch episode 12 again to get it all into your heads.

Though i didn't know about the ending being new.. i'm liking that.

DwArD · 2006-10-02, 09:37

Well....the ending is pretty straightforward without the Kurou and Al Azif look alike appearing. My initial thought was that those two are....what Kurou and Al Azif will become? I knew they're the ones who bring Al Azif back to Kurou....the only thing I wanna know is....who are those two people?

Shiroth · 2006-10-02, 09:50

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Originally Posted by DwArD

who are those two people?

You just answered your own question me thinks.

Levski · 2006-10-02, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

You just answered your own question me thinks.

so they become gods?

Deathkillz · 2006-10-04, 14:24

just wanted to say that ive just finnished the series yesterday and thought it was amazingly well put (overall as a series) and the end was really nice and happy ^_^ i like happy endings from time to time and having Al come back is just heart warming!
i think this series deserve more credit imo

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Originally Posted by levski

Episode 5: The way he handled her and the touchy part i liked Is this like the hottest scene seen in anime ever besides ofcourse hentai?

lol...i definatly have to agree with that...and seeing kurou getting kicked in the balls definatly made me roll around laughing XD

Rainbow6 · 2006-10-04, 19:56

Kurou should feel blessed since he has so many.....'lolis' surrounding him. Man, i want that too

Guido · 2006-10-08, 12:53

Yep, I have finished another impressive title from the Spring/Summer season.

I already posted my thoughts for what I like Demonbane, but I want to add in that the score was fantastic to listen, particularly for the final episode. Fill with the despair, with glory, with loss of things and people attached to us, and with hope to become better for tomorrow.

Note: I HAVE NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.

Kurou shares some similar parallels with Emiya Shirou, the protagonist of Fate/Stay Night, respect with their ideals. Both take the mantle of heroes because they want to stop and prevent wrongdoings against other people and allow them to live peaceful lives of their choosing.
They bear the suffering without expecting to be rewarded nor be remembered for their accomplishments.

The difference lies IMO in that Shiro knows the world's on different shades of gray and still attempts his best not to stray from his ideals. Unfortunately, in other timelines or facets of his life he would have to come questioning on what he believes in for the sake to protect someone important to him, but at the same time forsaking his principles on justice.

Regards to Kurou, I think he was somewhat of naive about people in the world divided between black and white. His fight with Nero slapped him a bitter reality that helplessly sucked him into a dark void.
With the words from Al, however, he recovers and regains his beliefs. He upholds to his faith on justice, but he not allows to be blinded by it. He allows himself to be attached to people he cares in the world and not denies his love to Al.

Moreover, there are slight issues I have with Demonbane for the pacing. The first batch of episodes served as to introduce with the villain of the week, then the latter half has to engage Kurou and Al to take on those villains one by one as they are featured.
I think it draw precious time and was rushed, but I admit that the end for each episode left surprising twists or finished not in a conventional tone.

If I can say a good deal about the characters, I think most of the show was owned by Dr. West. Guaranteed, his character offers fine and smart comedy and the best one-liners. He was not taken to the extreme absurd just for gratuitious laughs.
He has knowledge, quirks, and can turn out to be an unsuspecting fighter with unexpected tricks.

Then, Elsa who simply kicks butt straightforwardly and no bush beating. I'm glad that few episodes had Elsa pilot along with Kurou the Demonbane. She may not know magic, but her machinery expertise, upgraded by Dr. West, allowed Kurou to pull out Demonbane from a couple of sticky situation.

As for the worst character, Ruri honestly tried my patience and got to my nerves. I hated the uselessness of her character that served just as the helpless damsel in distress, that at some key points the near-loss of someone made her hysterical amidst a chaotic situation.

Anyways, the series finale produced a punch, and the in-between episodes deliver some deep stuff with Al's monologue reflecting on her creation. For what purpose she serves?, and if every master she meets isn't differen from the previous one?

STRANGE EONS

There was a lot going in the last episode.

Spoiler:

evil|plushie · 2006-10-10, 12:45

Spoiler:

sirtao · 2006-10-10, 16:06

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Levski · 2006-10-11, 05:12

In the end it was too fast and too cheezy. Not a good type of cheezy but a bit of a boring one. The series was pretty funny but the end was rushed like hell.

RedFrame · 2006-11-06, 15:34

:Oooo i love the ending.Very happy seeing those two get to see each other again also with the other of them in the sky going to infinity n beyond , music also live up the mood , it wasn't the sad ed. If it is a sad ed i would be left in trauma like Air.Take me a week to recoverfrom the trauma ... (sheesh... i wish i don't cross over with ending like Air anymore... >_> )

In the ps2 ver. i got the bad ed .....

Spoiler:

Well that is for the game but with the tv happy ending , i am very happy with it

and yes... i love episode 5 :3 (okay, im not into loli... seriously )

nephilim · 2007-02-07, 05:55

I think I'm rather slow... just finish watching the entire series and now I grew a new love for loli! (or maybe just Al Azif).

Spoiler:

2006-09-30, 21:00	Link #163
DwArD mAnIaC Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere In This World Age: 35	Er....forget about the marrying part. I'm sure most people here didn't even have that thought in the first place. I mean....how are people going to react when an adult married a....'loli'? Forget about the age but....its a crime to marry a loli! Furthermore, Al isn't human you know....so who cares about marrying as long as they're together.... __________________ If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known. George C. Marshall (1880 - 1959)

2006-10-01, 17:45	Link #165
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Of course the Demonbane anime has nothing on the original source material.. but still, i really enjoyed the anime - with it having one hell of a kick arse soundtrack. :3 It might take a while, or just another rewatch.. but i can easily see this show becoming one of my top 10. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-10-02, 06:28	Link #169
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	I really didn't know what doesn't make sense about the ending.. maybe you guys just need to rewatch episode 12 again to get it all into your heads. Though i didn't know about the ending being new.. i'm liking that. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-10-02, 09:37	Link #170
DwArD mAnIaC Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere In This World Age: 35	Well....the ending is pretty straightforward without the Kurou and Al Azif look alike appearing. My initial thought was that those two are....what Kurou and Al Azif will become? I knew they're the ones who bring Al Azif back to Kurou....the only thing I wanna know is....who are those two people? __________________ If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known. George C. Marshall (1880 - 1959)

2006-10-08, 12:53	Link #175
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Demonbane Final Thoughts Yep, I have finished another impressive title from the Spring/Summer season. I already posted my thoughts for what I like Demonbane, but I want to add in that the score was fantastic to listen, particularly for the final episode. Fill with the despair, with glory, with loss of things and people attached to us, and with hope to become better for tomorrow. Note: I HAVE NEVER PLAYED THE GAME. Kurou shares some similar parallels with Emiya Shirou, the protagonist of Fate/Stay Night, respect with their ideals. Both take the mantle of heroes because they want to stop and prevent wrongdoings against other people and allow them to live peaceful lives of their choosing. They bear the suffering without expecting to be rewarded nor be remembered for their accomplishments. The difference lies IMO in that Shiro knows the world's on different shades of gray and still attempts his best not to stray from his ideals. Unfortunately, in other timelines or facets of his life he would have to come questioning on what he believes in for the sake to protect someone important to him, but at the same time forsaking his principles on justice. Regards to Kurou, I think he was somewhat of naive about people in the world divided between black and white. His fight with Nero slapped him a bitter reality that helplessly sucked him into a dark void. With the words from Al, however, he recovers and regains his beliefs. He upholds to his faith on justice, but he not allows to be blinded by it. He allows himself to be attached to people he cares in the world and not denies his love to Al. Moreover, there are slight issues I have with Demonbane for the pacing. The first batch of episodes served as to introduce with the villain of the week, then the latter half has to engage Kurou and Al to take on those villains one by one as they are featured. I think it draw precious time and was rushed, but I admit that the end for each episode left surprising twists or finished not in a conventional tone. If I can say a good deal about the characters, I think most of the show was owned by Dr. West. Guaranteed, his character offers fine and smart comedy and the best one-liners. He was not taken to the extreme absurd just for gratuitious laughs. He has knowledge, quirks, and can turn out to be an unsuspecting fighter with unexpected tricks. Then, Elsa who simply kicks butt straightforwardly and no bush beating. I'm glad that few episodes had Elsa pilot along with Kurou the Demonbane. She may not know magic, but her machinery expertise, upgraded by Dr. West, allowed Kurou to pull out Demonbane from a couple of sticky situation. As for the worst character, Ruri honestly tried my patience and got to my nerves. I hated the uselessness of her character that served just as the helpless damsel in distress, that at some key points the near-loss of someone made her hysterical amidst a chaotic situation. Anyways, the series finale produced a punch, and the in-between episodes deliver some deep stuff with Al's monologue reflecting on her creation. For what purpose she serves?, and if every master she meets isn't differen from the previous one? STRANGE EONS There was a lot going in the last episode. Spoiler: What I understood is that both Master Therion and Kurou are the anti-thesis to each other who have fought for infinite times out of the reaches of time and space. They were forever trapped in the vicious cycle of fighting each other without come to realizing the everything was settled by Nyarlathotep. They have been countless of Master Therions and Kurous from the past to the future in different forms. Al Azif and Etheldreda were the remaining constants, as they wander from one alternate world to the next one once the battle had been done. I come to understand and make sure that Al's previous masters were Kurou from other worlds, that lacked the sensitivity and soul of the Kurou we know. They meant using Al as a powerful weapon and saw her only as a grimoire not a person. However, Daijuji Kurou came to appreciate her and feel attached to Al. The collide from the Shining Trapezohedron of both would had meant the collapse from each of the worlds perceptions of time and space, allowing Nyarlathotep the escape gateway to the Older Ones through the Garden of Azatoth. At the end of each showdown, Nyarlathotep somehow fails and proceeds to plan for the next fight at a different world in order to succeed. I think that through each iteration Al manages to prevent the calamity but at the cost of losing her master. In the current iteration, Kurou breaks the predestined destiny maybe because he chooses not to become part of Nyarlathotep's game, allowing that a new history is written. Hence, his line that she should NOT underestimate him, because he's human. I do not think that Nyarlathotep was destroyed, rather she became trapped in time and space and would now be forced to become a participant and experience the same blessings and calamities at each and every world just like Kurou and the rest of humanity do; no longer staying as the spectator. As for Master Therion, his actions could had meant he was only trying to escape his given fate, and he was at last released. He wanders with Etheldreda in the void out of time and space and is happy to spend that existence along with her. Both won't interfere but watch over the humans instead. The farewell betwen Al and Kurou was the most troublesome for me. Al departed from Kurou and requested Demonbane to send him back to Earth. Kurou returns to an Earth where history has been rewritten. This is an Earth where the cataclysmic battle between Kurou Daijuji and Master Therion never happened and has happened at all. Therefore, all the other characters we know of had no awareness, except for Kurou who has his memories intact and exists in this Earth where his close friends remember him. Then, Al returns back to Kurou and also with her memories intact and both are being watched by Al Azif and Daijuji Kurou on the Demonbane. They say their farewell and departed on the Demonbane to the cosmos. My guess is that the Al that returned to Kurou stayed and become human because of her attachment toward him. The Al Azif and Kurou Daijuji on the Demonbane were maybe the compilation of all their other selves from other worlds, that have conquered their fate and no longer have any attachments except for each other.

2006-09-30, 20:21	Link #162
Levski Banned Join Date: Sep 2006	Ok i tought this series was pretty awsome. Positive things: Episode 5: The way he handled her and the touchy part i liked Is this like the hottest scene seen in anime ever besides ofcourse hentai? I LOVED how their relationship evolved. It was funny and how he constatly got called perved and that stuff even though most of the time he didn't do anything. Cons: I wish it showed them lead their lives a bit after they met. Maybe have a kid or something. Just 5 or more mins to just nail it in you know. Maybe having a sexy dinner on the beach lol... Two questions: Who were those guys on the end? I mean they looked like them, however more mature (Al was taller :O ooo) anybody know what the deal was with that? Why didn't the robot remember him? Did he like go back in time or something? If he did go back didn't the Princess look like she remembered? If Al is like 1000 years and he is like 20 or 25 and they marry what do they put for their age on the certificate? lol...

2006-10-01, 21:19	Link #166
Spinner187 Too old for Anime? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas	Good anime, but I didn't like how near the end the battle scenes last 4 seconds. I think it was in episode 11 that the titus/orge fight last 6.5 seconds, not very impressive. But the ending made even little sense. 1. Did Daj go back in time, before he met Al, but only he and Al remember everything? 2. Ok the whole tear jerking scene where AL and Demonbane send Daj back to earth just to end up seeing her at the bay with no explanation. 3. Who the hell are the doubles of Al and Daj that look older(The older AL is much hotter =P). If anyone can fill me in, I would appreciated it

2006-10-01, 21:28	Link #167
Spinner187 Too old for Anime? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas	Ok I guess I'm going to answer my own questions, and to help you guys out this is from wikipedia. "Demonbane TV's ending is entirely original, made up for the TV series. It at first takes after Al's good ending, but instead of having her drift through space for aeons, it has the Elder Gods Kurou and Al-Azif (from Al's true ending) rescue her and bring her right back to Arkham." If you don't get it, it takes two ends from the actual game, and put them together. I guess you have to play the game for it to make sense.

2006-10-01, 22:58	Link #168
guitarboy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	for those who've played the game, can someone please explain to me what actually happened at the end thanks

2006-10-04, 19:56	Link #174
Rainbow6 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	Kurou should feel blessed since he has so many.....'lolis' surrounding him. Man, i want that too

2006-10-10, 12:45	Link #176
evil\|plushie The Last Frontier Join Date: Apr 2004	Spoiler: Hmm, considering that Al Azif and Kurou could seal Nylarhotep beneath an elder sign, they may be avatars of elder gods. Which would explain the 2nd set of Al Azif and Kurou that appeared. Their true selves maybe? Which would make sense about why they're trying to prevent the Great Old Ones from escaping. __________________ God is on the side with the biggest cannon. http://sining83.blogspot.com

2006-10-10, 16:06	Link #177
sirtao Member Join Date: Oct 2006	Spoiler: or maybe they BECAME Elder Gods due their power growning WAY more than wanted by Nyarlathotep...

2006-10-11, 05:12	Link #178
Levski Banned Join Date: Sep 2006	In the end it was too fast and too cheezy. Not a good type of cheezy but a bit of a boring one. The series was pretty funny but the end was rushed like hell.

2006-11-06, 15:34	Link #179
RedFrame A talking white tiger :O Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Malaysia	:Oooo i love the ending.Very happy seeing those two get to see each other again also with the other of them in the sky going to infinity n beyond , music also live up the mood , it wasn't the sad ed. If it is a sad ed i would be left in trauma like Air.Take me a week to recoverfrom the trauma ... (sheesh... i wish i don't cross over with ending like Air anymore... >_> ) In the ps2 ver. i got the bad ed ..... Spoiler: after the battle only kurou on the world.Everything get back to normal but Al is no where to be seen and since i don't understand japanese i can tell only what i see only >_> - "what's that nun name ?" are comforting kurou and i wasn't sure if that nun remember Al or not. Then they're hugging each other.Even though i don't understand it but Al wasn't there and i am concluding that Al and kurou won't meet each other anymore >_< sniffsniff* Well that is for the game but with the tv happy ending , i am very happy with it and yes... i love episode 5 :3 (okay, im not into loli... seriously ) __________________

2007-02-07, 05:55	Link #180
nephilim Loves Kaori Join Date: May 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 39	I think I'm rather slow... just finish watching the entire series and now I grew a new love for loli! (or maybe just Al Azif). Spoiler: I didn't play the game too, and don't understand why there was another of themselves. What I thought was that the 2 characters on demonbane were the mystic part of the human pair on earth. But how exactly did Al return in the first place, who brought her and why there were 2 of them are mysteries. Somebody explain the ending?