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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 791 | 63.74% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 163 | 13.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 95 | 7.66% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 67 | 5.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 17 | 1.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 18 | 1.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 0.56% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 7 | 0.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 0.32% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 72 | 5.80% | |
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2009-01-19, 14:00 | Link #4861 | ||
No Eyes
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The simple fact that they did not elaborate means they told what suited them, this is akin to lying. Quote:
The Geass's true power can be explained. She can point out where he got them. She can point out that Geass can only be used once. She can slap the idiots for being idiots and nearly ruining everything they worked for. Kallen is forgiveful? Even the people that were nice to her, she had no qualms with killing when necessary outside of the Student Council. The only people she's been forgiveful to are Lelouch and her mother. Last edited by Hellychan; 2009-01-19 at 18:15. |
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2009-01-19, 14:09 | Link #4862 | |
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1+1 = 2. If someone tells you that, will you tell him "false?" No. However, "2" can be a result as well from 5-3, 10-8 etc If that said-someone insists that 1+1=2 ONLY, then we have a brain problem. This is what happened in 19:: BK were not twisting facts, they just had a braincell all together and they were stuck in ONLY one thing-explanation. They did not look more, they did not care more, they just had the super-impressive stupidity to accept only one explanation and did go with that. And yes, stupidity can be oblivious, tell us something new. |
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2009-01-19, 14:11 | Link #4863 |
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@Frost: Are you totally sure that Kallen had all the knowledge on the things you pointed out? How you deduce this?
Anyway, I doubt that even that would have been enough to change things, considering all the rest. A better developed storytelling for the mutiny won't have hurted, but I guess we all agree on that ^^; |
2009-01-19, 14:19 | Link #4864 | |
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Alright, i love my Kallen and i love my Kalulu but let us NOT be that biased. We only know what you mentioned, only exactly because she had right to be angry/sad/whatever with them. Did Ohgi or someone else ever betrayed her and she went all wacko or moe with him/her? We can't know that. As for Turn 19 and her possible reaction, i think she would facepalm with the stupidity of her comrades. She was not exactly happy as well in Turn 2 with Lelouch, but he explained to her and she decided to believe him. Hmm, bad that BK just like to jump on the train of assault-immediately. |
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2009-01-19, 14:22 | Link #4865 | ||
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"That man is a murderer!" Everyone attacks the man and without asking him, kills him for being a murderer. Unfortunately, that man was actually a police man that had killed bad people in an attempt to save others. On the way he may have had to harm an innocent bystandered indirectly, but he was saving many from bad guys. But... the person forgot to mention that. This is falsifying the truth. It is like lying. Quote:
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2009-01-19, 14:26 | Link #4866 | |
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Ohgi used her as a lure to get Lelouch out, I'd call that a betrayal of trust if nothing else. |
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2009-01-19, 14:34 | Link #4867 | |
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2009-01-19, 14:35 | Link #4868 |
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Oh yes, she perfectly know about the Geass from CC, you are right.
The Euphie incident I'm quite skeptical about..... I don't know... seing how much of a troublesome thing to face it is for Lelouch, I'd be surprised that C.C. would have told Karen that without his authorization.. somehow, it doesn't sound. Was it covered specifically in the interview you mentioned? and *yaaawn* alright, everything in the BK is mean and is lying. Fixed. =P Your example is quite fitting but flawed somehow: a man that kills another man is always a murder, no matter the reason. Calling him a murder is not lying. Wanting his head- we can talk about it, I'm personally contrary, but none is lying calling him a murder. and that's the same. |
2009-01-19, 14:47 | Link #4869 | |||
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Calling someone a murderer is not the issue, calling someone a murderer and leaving it at that when there are reasons for those actions, is falsifying information. It is lying. There are no ifs ands or buts about this, if you tell half the truth about something when you know the truth because of a vendetta, then you are a swine and a liar. Pure and simple. Batman, for example, can be called a bully who beats up people on the streets. If you said just that, then you are slandering his name. Slander is slander. Quote:
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2009-01-19, 14:54 | Link #4870 | |
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Lelouch's hands were dirty, no doubt about it. They were just morons, that they did go only into one tiny direction, instead of giving him the default right to reply. As for Kallen, maybe. But Ohgi, unfortunately or not, is important to her. We saw her reaction in epi 3 {or 4?} when he was released, she went and hugged him and was happy to see all of her comrades again. I don't think she would Guren-slap them because they were freaking idiots. |
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2009-01-19, 15:00 | Link #4871 | |
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The point of the matter is that telling only a part of the truth, and spinning it to suit your needs, as Viletta and Ougi did, is called slander. You are telling only the part of the truth that suits you and this is called lying and leading people on. They, for lack of a better word, lied. Not everyone, only two people sold out Lelouch and that would be Ougi and Viletta. Frankly, he also forgot about her and worried only about Viletta and then tried to use Kallen as bait. I don't know how good of a person he really is. |
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2009-01-19, 15:04 | Link #4872 | ||
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From my point of view, lying is saying something that is completely false. Everything else would be telling a half-truth - something that can be just as deceitful, questionable and despisable, but still isn't the same as lying. Quote:
Maybe Lelouch would have stayed with her. Maybe he would have found another way to "atone for his sins". Maybe he would still have chosen Zero Requiem. Just like Kallen, we'll never know, and that's why I don't see Ougi as someone directly resposible for Lelouch's death.
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2009-01-19, 15:08 | Link #4873 |
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Lelouch is responsible for his own death. He chose to go down the path of the demon from the very first episode and knew the consequences for his deeds, the Black Knights betraying him is what I would call karma really.
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2009-01-19, 15:12 | Link #4874 | |
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Viletta on the other hand, is not exactly a saint. She was caught into the fire, no way she would tell the truth. Of course, her pretty mouth allowed to tell the "he used geass on me" and play the victim which make her qualify more than a bad person. If she had kept her mouth shut totally, it would be better. The whole point is, that BK are hot-level-headed gang, that most of the times go with their emotions and not with rationality. Lelouch was the genius mind that gave them pretty much "life" changing the kinda pathetic group they were. Also, another thing i wanted to add, in episode 22 in the detour Kallen+Lelouch have, Kallen says it was because Oghi told her as well to protect Zero that she did that. Ohgi is important to Kallen and so is Kallen to Ohgi. The whole Viletta-romance at times, can be seen as a fiasco-writing, in a way, that Ohgi was so stupid that wanted to die on episode 15. Unless, he was THAT stupid in the end. |
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2009-01-19, 15:13 | Link #4875 | ||
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What definition of lie are you using? Princeton defines it as: To tell an untruth; pretend with intent to deceive; a statement that deviates from or perverts the truth. Seems like exactly what Ougi and Viletta did. Quote:
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2009-01-19, 15:17 | Link #4876 |
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I am not trying to justify that *biip*-head Ohgi {Viletta is out of it btw, i won't care to explain her *biip*, because it is *biip*, she would better stay posing on her lame-bikini} but you make it sound like Ohgi, had a motive to kill Zero. I don't think so, like the rest of the gang, they were really ready to judge Lelouch's actions without even looking a bit more.
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2009-01-19, 15:21 | Link #4877 | ||||
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He was that stupid. Nothing has ever portrayed the man as intelligent. Quote:
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For the post above, I am not saying he wanted him dead, but he was nevertheless an idiot and selfish when all is said and done. |
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2009-01-19, 15:28 | Link #4878 | |
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I just have one question. I can understand that people dislike ougi and villetta if they think they are bad people who lied blablabla, but quid of lelouch? Because of him, euphemia died and many japanese too, then he lied to everyone and used his own mistake for his rebellion. Rather than saying the truth as a man. If I was a japanese in code geass and learned about that, i would: - Hate geass to no end. - Would want Lelouch dead, whatever happened, he is responsible. So, what makes lelouch more forgivable and less bashable than ougi and villetta? Tell me please. Also If I was ougi and villetta, I would suspect that he used geass, and on euphemia too. |
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2009-01-19, 15:35 | Link #4879 | |
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2009-01-19, 15:37 | Link #4880 | |
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Lelouch never denied to be a manipulator and a liar. Each time that someone accused him of something, he just laughed and said that "yeah he did out of LULZ for his own interests". Just what happened with euphemia (the japanese who were killed, the behavior of lelouch [why did he say that to euphie? Because of pride? stupidity?], and the lies), given what the people "in the anime" knew is enough to hate lelouch and geass till the point of wanting him dead. |
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