2008-10-13, 02:50 | Link #101 |
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In most Gundam series a shot of beam to the chest area = doom
On a related note, I've been playing SRW Z recently and discovered that Zambot 3 actually docks with the Ion Cannon to its chest area when it uses it. Now Zambot is pretty old so can we say that Zambot is the original cannon docking mecha?
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2008-10-13, 09:07 | Link #104 | |
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2008-10-13, 09:33 | Link #105 | |
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Which would make it rather easy to take down. If it had tried what Setsuna did with Exia in S1 Ep1/2 it'd have been shot down fairly easily. |
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2008-10-13, 09:48 | Link #106 |
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No definite conclusions to that, but given the highly "primitive" nature of the 0 Gundam in comparison to later Gundams, it's likely that it has only normal E-Carbon armor. AFAIK the only true innovations the 0 Gundam had in comparison to other mobile suits are its GN Drive and beam weapons.
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2008-10-13, 10:29 | Link #107 | |
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2008-10-13, 10:54 | Link #108 |
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S1 vs S2 Gundams - design points / tradeoffs
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For S1, the Gundams designed by CB would presumably have been optimised to take on MS which don't use GN technology, for the most part. Lockon mentions how Exia's solid sword was an anti-Gundam device. The Trial System is another one. From that, it seems more like CB feared traitorous Gundam Meisters more than the technology leaking out. On the other hand, the GN-X would probably have been designed explicitly to take down the CB Gundams. However, for S2, CB's main targets are A-LAWs all of whose MS to date have GN technology. Until the re-appearance of CB, most of A-LAWS opposition would not. So do we have a bit of role reversal here? (btw, I have no idea just how much CB weapons/armour can be tuned to attack or defend against specific other technology. I remember Tieria talking about compression ratios or something for GN Fields - not sure if that is related or not) I should also note that it's also probable that CB have improved their weapons/armour in general anyway - ie should be better even without having a different design point, or different tradeoffs. That could partly explain how the 00 could take down an Ahead with a single shot, though maybe the 00 has significantly better/purer/more compressed GN particles in the first place. I also noticed that in ep 1, the Exia's leg got cut off by a beam saber - but it took a few seconds. However, Seravee's beam saber sliced the GN-XIII in two rather easily. Does anyone know of any specs / supporting documentation which confirms any of the above? If the above speculation is broadly correct, then maybe the "custom" Aheads we see in the OP will have been tuned to taken on CB's Gundams - in both weapons and armour. If not, Graham is going to be a one-shot kill and won't have the speed advantage of last season. |
2008-10-13, 14:27 | Link #109 | |
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Regarding Exia the leg was cutted instantly,what took a few seconds was the GN sword, in fact something similar happened to Dynames: a few seconds for the GN full shield and almost nothing for the chest. So the beam saber power of the GN-X and Ahead should be more or less the same. |
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2008-10-13, 15:23 | Link #110 | |
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capability to destroy = power combined with velocity A velocity bike could cut in two a car in lower move. if the Ahead didn't want to be cut in two by the Gundam oo, he had to block his cutting before it get power and velocity at the time. Even if the two do the same move, the (faster + the powerfull) win, that was the potential of the Gundam OO. Each energy could be translate in potential work as cutting, kicking.... But first to really conclude about which MS is powefull than other MS, we need also to know the pression move and the velocity move each MS structure (leg, arm, motor...) can provide. And second we need to know the moment each energy was working (the impact point). without all the caracteristics, it is difficult to say that Gundam oo is far better than a Ahead. Often, the capacity of destruction is question of reaching vulnerabilility point (the skill of the pilote). The Dynames needs shield armor to protect his weak points (exemple articulations) from MS beam. Last edited by bergarmak; 2008-10-13 at 15:57. |
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2008-10-13, 16:07 | Link #113 | |
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Episode 2 was interesting *thoughtfully strokes non-existent beard*, very interesting. Well, it appears GN Drives use topological defects in their process. Now this makes sense in that a magnetic monopole can cause proton decay to occur, here's a link to paper about it, 1.55 MB. The monopole can be passed through any kind of matter and more or less instantly induce proton decay without being used up itself (hence it being a perfect catalyst) and that all works well with what I posted before and can be considered the "non-evaporative" part of the decay process they describe the GN Drive using. It's just that it doesn't make any sense. Based on the tech level shown of the 00 universe they probably can't manufacture monopoles themselves (unless some startling discovery in physics was made), so they have to be essentially mining them from somewhere. The thing is though, that a monopole would be sufficiently valueable in that case that no one in their right mind would place it on a platform like a mobile suit where it could easily be destroyed and lost. Now CB might considering they are the ones who started it and needed that power, but the military doing more than like 10 GN suits, especially after CB's defeat, is stupid. You are working with a potential resource that is probably rarer than antimatter (which happens to have a price of ~$20 billion per gram). Would you use something that rare on a mobile suit?! Use those monopoles for power generation, levitation, and other things, but above all place them in locations where they are highly likely not to be blown up! Gah!!! I mean the thing allows for the potential to have 100% efficient matter to energy conversion without any limits on the fuel source since it works with anything made of protons and neutrons. |
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2008-10-13, 16:29 | Link #114 | |
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Question about the twin drive, is it confirmed that it actual multiplies the output? My personal guess it works in a simliar way how batteries (or motors) works, so no matter if you have it running in series or in parallel, the output will be the same, hence i believe it can only acheive a maximal output that is double to a single drive. |
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Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be anything to visually distinguish shots from the 00, in terms of size or colouring or other effects. Until they hit a target at least. Quote:
Further on this issue, shots from both the Ahead and the GN-XIII struck Exia without causing critical damage - definitely caused some damage though (hence smoke from the leg). Anyway... I think I'm going to have to re-think my theory from my earlier post a bit. I still wonder how "Masked Man" is going to stand up to the 00. I know there's a tradition in mecha shows in general that any newly revealed mecha pawns everything on first outing but then becomes rather more ordinary by the 2nd. But, the 00 should have a big advantage in every single metric over a standard Ahead, so I have trouble imaging how even a customised Ahead could survive long - it's not like Setsuna is a poor pilot. Unless Billy can come up with a cheap-man's Trans-Am (lasts say 1 minute for 2x power upgrade with damage to pilot from excess red GN particles), any one-on-one combat with the 00 is going to be brief. Maybe Billy will have to start designing some MAs specifically designed to take down the 00... Or maybe the 00 will have some kinda of limitation for a while. |
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Seriously though, this time around it is actually well stated within the series that Gundam 00 > everything else. I guess the Masked Man would have to rely on team work and pilot skills to take out CB.
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2008-10-14, 00:46 | Link #120 |
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Billy estimated that the Exia had an output 6x that of a Flag.
If 00 is squared then that would mean that it has an output 36x that of a Flag. Now we just need to find the output for a flag |
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