2009-06-28, 09:21 | Link #1961 |
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Actually, even Higurashi can be explained from an anti-fantasy perspective. There's a reason Saikoroshi-hen is called "The Dice Killing Chapter". But it's only one of the many possible interpretations. Kanon and Shannon mentioning they remember things is just another reference by Ryukishi and should not be taken seriously, imo.
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2009-06-28, 09:23 | Link #1962 | |
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Anyway the harder closed room to explain imho is Natsuhi's room on Ep2. The only way I can explain it is by saying that whoever checked the body with the key to the room is the one who actually placed it there at that very time. Who was it again?
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2009-06-28, 09:34 | Link #1963 |
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The key didn't pass through anyone hands from the time Maria got the letter till Rosa opened it or so
If Rosa opened already before the time she did in front of Battler, let's say she sneaked into the cousins room at 0:01 to find out if the message for Maria was important or so, saw the key, was a little bit confused and put it back. After that the culprit got in got the key, created the closed room and then put it back to Maria. I dunno who checked them sorry, I would guess it was Nanjo since he is the doctor and did all the time
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2009-06-28, 09:36 | Link #1964 |
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The thing about the chapel key: while I think the envelope was unsealed sometime after midnight (regardless of whether Rosa was the culprit or not), you have to realize just how fragile that statement is. Because while it may seem stupid, technically, Rosa could have unsealed that envelope at any point in time and after that the part that states that the key did not pass through anyone's hands is no longer in effect.
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2009-06-28, 09:41 | Link #1965 | |
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2009-06-28, 09:44 | Link #1966 | |
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I think I understand now how Ange's chronology of events work now before, during and after the events of the meta world.
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2009-06-28, 09:57 | Link #1967 |
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-The contents of the envelope which I gave to Maria was certainly the key to the chapel
This is even better. As for Kitsu theory, it is certainly possible but do you realize how twisted is this logic? You need to imagine that Rosa sneaked inside the cousin's room just to take a peak inside Maria's letter (after midnight) and then someone else entered the room and took the key. It would make more sense if Rosa herself took the key at that time.
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2009-06-28, 10:04 | Link #1968 |
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Well that could certainly true but I don't like Rosa=culprit
But how about this, Rosa was told to retrieve the key, locked up for them and then she was told to go and lock up after her, for some strange reason. Or she was angry left and childishly locked them up. Then they killed each other and the last one commits suicide
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Well my point in the matter has always been that, while we cannot prove or disprove at this point if that was ever even the same letter, the fact of the matter remains that should a human have been the culprit he needed access to that key and only that key, which means this person would have had to get it from Maria's bag and return it at some point.
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2009-06-28, 10:31 | Link #1971 |
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I don't like Rosa = the culprit theory either. Partly because I still like the character But mostly because to me that implies illogical behavior on part of the culprit. I hope we can all agree that this crime had to be premeditated and that there was someone present in the garden of episode two. Otherwise why would Maria and Kyrie both claim they saw someone?
I don't think it plausible that the main culprit would recruit accomplices after October 4th. That means they would be taking a major risk. What if Rosa would simply say, no I don't want to? Or are we supposed to think that the mastermind made Rosa an offer she could not refuse then on the spur of the moment Rosa decided to viciously murder her siblings? Not impossible I guess, but to me it seems pretty stupid. Therefore, the arrangements had to be made before the family conference. Therefore, if Rosa was an accomplice, there was no reason for her not to know about the contents of the letters. The only possible motive for Rosa I can see at this point is the need for money. This implies to me that "Beatrice" who seems pretty rich promised Rosa a nice compensation. If that were not the case I don't see why Rosa would kill her siblings when her other alternative was to extract money from Krauss with their help. And if Rosa knew everything from the start, that means she pulled off one giant act. Trying to open the letter in front of Maria (why?). Throwing up in the chapel (someone who would help arranging that scene should not have had any problems afterwards imho). And finally, stealing one of the ingots in the end. If she was already promised money, why would she bother? Does this mean something went wrong? If so, what? To me it seems a lot more logical that Rosa was simply used for the murders by the culprit (along with Maria and Kyrie) to help support the illusion of a witch. Last edited by Nih; 2009-07-20 at 15:18. Reason: less vague |
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The murder happens before midnight, everything from the time the chapel got opened till the time it was closed happened around 23:00-23:30 Maria receives the letter a little before midnight by "Beatrice", substituting the fake letter with the new letter Rosa the next morning opens the new letter and obtains the key to the chapel What is not clear is why Rosa left the chapel and doesn't tell anyone what happened. Why she only suspects the servants instead of Beatrice? I do not like the theory that Rosa is the culprit either, however finding an explanation to "save" her is very difficult...
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2009-06-28, 11:34 | Link #1974 |
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I think she "suspects" the servants because (while it's likely she was in the chapel), she did not know that the siblings would be killed afterwards. If she is innocent, there are several possibilities here: one could be she does not think "Beatrice" commited the crime alone and another could be that she knows that she is a prime suspect, so she is frantically trying to place suspicion on everyone else (even poor Battler wasn't spared ).
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2009-06-28, 12:35 | Link #1977 | |
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Well, I also think that Battler in the meta world also a piece created by real Battler (or at least entity create by Battler in one of the world) and Bern too. Actually, how many layer of games are there? I think we have a game between Lambda and Bern-chan. Pieces of this game are Battler (Meta) and Beatrice. Then we have Battler playing with Beatrice. Their pieces are people on Rokkenjima during 2 days of the family conference. Battler is capable of controlling his piece (Battler in the game board) and Beatrice can control the rest (I guess).
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2009-06-28, 12:56 | Link #1978 |
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Actually if you look at a chessboard the number of pieces each side has is 16. But there are 17 humans, including Battler. If you want, you can say Battler doesn't have his own piece on the board. But you can also say that one of the 17 is the culprit and that piece was transferred to Beatrice's side at the start of the game.
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