[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 8 Twilight of the golden witch

[AuraTwilight]

Fair enough, but, as they say in the courts: "Well you're a doodie head neener neener."

[Kylon99]

Originally Posted by Zeroxy

What do you mean by the author level?

Argh... when I made that post, I think I was too exhausted to go into proper detail. I'm not actually any better now, but I'll give it a try. 8)

Basically the red text cannot be used in Rokkenjima Prime and in fact, the red text technically comes from that level, via the two authors. Red text was an invention of Yasu/Beatrice and Battler/Tooya also used it for his stories. As authors they probably did some research on certain facts or already knew some things and included them in their stories. And the red text can only be things like that that they decided to add to the story. The red text that concerns things like the settings or character and character actions, of course. Not the red text that is specific to episodes, for example.

But as authors of Rokkenjima Prime, their stories or red text could be invalidated by new information, like if they discovered Erika's body somewhere else. Or Eva's diary. Or someone found information from Kyrie's old shady dealings. Etc, etc.

And so that's where you get Red text being described as absolute and yet being invalidated later.

This may not have been what you guys were talking about, but I thought it might have been good to bring up.

[Ayu-ayu]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

It is done.

Will post the final summary batch later today. Requesting someone to please give me the properly translated of the final text scroll at the end of the ??? just before the credits because I'm too tired to do it myself at this point.

Just wanna sit back and reflect at what I've seen so far. Initially thought I'd be bored and angry at the end of Ep8, but almost surprisingly I loved most of it and was almost completely satisfied by the given ending. At this point, if given the choice between inner peace and absolute truth, I'd choose inner peace any day.

So anyone got the final text scroll so I can finally put a close to this little project?

Do you mean the video at the very end? Someone subbed it on YouTube, at least:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YyVp...eature=related

[MeoTwister5]

It is done. ??? completed and Episode 8 completed.

Spoiler for Summaries:

???? Scenes

10 Years Later
- It is ten years after Ange decided to end her search for Rokkenjima's truth. At a hotel there is a literary presentation in a banquet hall. Ange is presenting her new book about Sakutaro. This is the continuation of her fantasy novel series. The title is "The Treasures of the Kakera".
- Her book series was well received and became popular. As an author Ange has used the pen name Hisashi. She used the book to spread the word of happiness and how to find it, partially based on what Maria taught her.
- Attendees give her accolades. One of the attendees asks her if she knows of the writer Hachijo. She says she knows of her but has never met her. The attendee asks if she wants to have a private meeting with her. She recalls the uproar she caused when she declared that she would not open the diary of Eva. To her, Hachijo is a writer who wrote about the supposed truths of Rokkenjima but made a series of fiction about it.
- Ange is somewhat thankful that she chose not to reveal the book, saving Rokkenjima's catbox from the goats. She agrees to meet her next Sunday. The attendee reveals that Hachijo has a man who is assisting and editing her. Ange suddenly recalls a premonition, when she questioned how Hachijou would know such intimate details of the island and the family. Despite changing her name, she drew attention to herself due to her books. She has a suspicion.
- That Sunday she waits for Hachijo and her assistant at the coffee shop. When they arrive, she sees her pushing a young man on a wheelchair. She sees the young man and thinks that he looks so much like her brother Battler. The man is wearing a suit and has white hair. When they greet each other she feels palpitations. Ange seems convinced that this man, after all these years, is her brother.
- Hachijo greets her and takes a seat. Ange feels a great sense of relief in seeing him. She wants to jump in and hug him but restrains herself. There is something different about this man. They all order some coffee and talk.
- Touya says he's been interested to meet the Ushiromiya Ange that they know from the stories. Ange for her part takes out a picture of their family at an amusement park. She tries to compare Battler in the picture to Touya. Seeing them copared removes any doubt she has that this is, indeed, Battler.
- She asks him flat out if he is Ushiromiya Battler. Touya, after a while, confirms it. He says that he, Hachijou Touya, is Ushiromiya Battler.
- Ange bursts out crying. She has so many questions to ask but is unable to find the words. It's been almost 20 years since that day and she's been hoping and waiting for all that time.
- Battler takes her hand. Ange asks him how he managed to survive the island. He tells her of the underground passage to the submarine base.
- He says he escaped on a motorboat but he cannot remember anything beyond that. The rest is vague. Hachijou explains how he had amnesia for a while after, and how she found him on a beach after he fell into the ocean.
- Ange begins to understand how the two of them never found each other even though he survived. When she became Hisashi, only Amakusa and Okonogi knew her real identity. Them coming together like this was almost a coincidence because she became a writer and was offered to meet Hachijou. She thinks this is fate.
- Hachijou says they thought to begin finding Ange after Battler began to regain his memories. Battler, as Touya, however refused at that time. He said that back then he was afraid of meeting Ange and recaling everything. He says he became Touya and wanted to live the life her knew of those ten years, and not that of Battler Ushiromiya. Eventually he became guilty for Ange's sake.
- He says that while his memory is still spotty, he can remember details like the hair ornaments he gave her. He is afraid the memories will overcome him if they all return. He still thinks these memories are memories of another person and not his own. He did not want to accept that Battler was a part of him. He did not want to show her Battler in a wheelchair.
- Hachijou says him being paraplegic is a sequelae of his injury. Battler says even then, he believed somehow that he had to meet her, and this made me anxious and unable to sleep. He regrets not meeting her sooner. Battler cries.
- Ange calls her Touya, and thanks him for his bravery and coming to meet her. She gives him a hug. She now comes to terms with the fact that this man is Touya, and that her brother Battler is now a part of him rather then him entirely. She accepts him has her brother.
- That evening they leave the cafe. Ange says she wants to invite him somewhere and hands him a letter. She says she wants to finally close this chapter of her life once and for all.

October of that year (Halloween)
- Hachijou and Touya arrive at a house. The house is a home for disabled people, the elderly and abandoned children. Ange as Hisashi is trying to revive this institution. It would seem this was a project of the Ushiromiya family before.
- Hachijou says it is nice, being writers and all and how children are the weavers of the future's tale. They hand Ange their contribution to the home. Ange herself uses her own money for the house. She has become rather rich as an author but puts most of her money here.
- The kids are having activities time inside. The house is a happy and lively place. Ange says she teaches them Maria's magic of happiness. Here Hachijou admits she read her book series and admires it.
- Ange leads them to a room where she hands them candy bags to give to the children. She also wants them to talk to the kids. They enter into a hall that is exactly like the banquet hall on the Rokkenjima mansion.
- Ange says she wanted to recreate a memory of her past. The hall is complete, even with a portrait of Beatrice! Ange says she got the original painter to make another one.
- The kids line up for the party. A flash of light comes, and for whatever reason the entire family with servants and metacharacters arrive with her. She stands with them, and the party begins.
- Final text slide show.
- Credit roll.

I waited for you Battler
... I'm sorry. I was a bit late coming here.
Why are you sitting on a wheelchair? Here, I'll give you a hand, so get yourself together.
As she walked, she gave her hand to Battler who was on the wheelchair. Battler... slowly took the hand, and slowly... he stood up.
I...
Listen. All of us here have finally met again. Tonight the Golden Land will revive.
Continuous applause blessed Battler.
Everyone was there. Everyone. Everyone. Everyone.
And then, Beato hugged Battler. Stronger and stronger, she hugged him so as to never part from him again.
You really... came back...
I'm back... but late, though.
... I won't ever let you go again.
Yeah, I won't ever let you go again either.
We'll be together... forever.
This story is dedicated to the beloved witch Beatrice.

The End.

And that as they say is that. The entirety of Twilight of the Golden Witch in a gigantic, hastily made and poorly worded summary. Thanks to everyone who commented and gave corrections and feedback to this little endeavor of mine, too me almost 6 weeks of on-off playing just to finish it but finish it I did.

So that ends 4 episodes worth of summaries with the end of ep8, despite the fact that I only managed to finish 2/4 and the other two halfway done.

Oh yes, chances are I'll do this again if Rsukishi makes another When They Cry series.

This is Meo, tired and hungry, taking my leave.

[AuraTwilight]

So at the end, lolmagic.

[Sherringford]

Thanks for the summary, I got the gist of it before but I don't trust my Japanese skills at all, so your summaries helped me a lot.

I'll never understand how a paraplegic Battler managed to escape the island using a motorboat, but it's possible. It's just that the mental image of it is just so amusing it hurts.

[Player]

Originally Posted by Sherringford

Thanks for the summary, I got the gist of it before but I don't trust my Japanese skills at all, so your summaries helped me a lot.

I'll never understand how a paraplegic Battler managed to escape the island using a motorboat, but it's possible. It's just that the mental image of it is just so amusing it hurts.

Actually, if I recall correctly, Tohya explains that at one point he tries to commit suicide and fails, leaving him in a wheelchair.

[AuraTwilight]

Yea, it's pretty obvious that he got crippled the same time he lost his memory.

[Sherringford]

Originally Posted by Player

Actually, if I recall correctly, Tohya explains that at one point he tries to commit suicide and fails, leaving him in a wheelchair.

Huh, didn't get that part at all when I read it. Well there goes the amusing mental image.

[haguruma]

Originally Posted by Sherringford

Thanks for the summary, I got the gist of it before but I don't trust my Japanese skills at all, so your summaries helped me a lot.

I'll never understand how a paraplegic Battler managed to escape the island using a motorboat, but it's possible. It's just that the mental image of it is just so amusing it hurts.

It's not really made clear wether being paraplegic was a result of him almost drowning or of an attempted suicide that followed later. But it was definitely something that came after his escape from Rokkenjima.
I assume it happened through him almost drowning, because Ikuko often mentions how he doesn't have simple amnesia...so I assume that his body and brain suffered due to the oxygen-loss.

Some small things that I'd like to correct about Meo's summary. Sorry for being so bold, it must have been really hard work.

Spoiler:

10 Years Later
- It is ten years after Ange decided to end her search for Rokkenjima's truth.

It is not 10 years, but several decades in the future (数十年後の未来).
This is why Tôya/Battler has white hair already. And otherwise Hisashi/Ange wouldn't have been able to write and release several volumes of her Sakutarô's Adventures series.

He did not want to accept that Battler was a part of him.

That's not quite what he was saying. He was afraid of "Ushiromiya Battler" because it felt like he was a different person that was invading him. Hachijô Tôya was afraid of vanishing and his body becoming a host of that "Ushiromiya Battler" that he knew nothing more about than some vague memories.

It's also very important that Hisashi/Ange says at that point, that she now understands how the witch (refering to the final battle with Bernkastel) was able to declare her brother dead in red. This is because Ushiromiya Battler did die that day (while drowning).

It would seem this was a project of the Ushiromiya family before.

It does not only seem that way. The house they have been invited to was the Fukuin house, which was revived by Hisashi/Ange to honor the memory of what Ushiromiya Kinzô built during his lifetime. It's also still an orphanage.

- The kids line up for the party. A flash of light comes, and for whatever reason the entire family with servants and metacharacters arrive with her. She stands with them, and the party begins.

The kids were already seated at a table. Tôya was still facing the portrait of Beatrice when he was turning around and Hisashi Yukari asked the children to stand up and greet their guests.
That's when we supposedly switch perspective and Tôya/Battler says that he knows all those faces and it has been such a long time. So instead of the children he sees all his relatives and the characters sorrounding the story of Rokkenjima.
I assumed that at that point Tôya/Battler died. Especially because he is able to stand up from his wheelchair and he is suddenly on Rokkenjima again.
It's not made certain but the scene of a character dying in a wheelchair and then being able to stand up and join his family is so iconic...it has to be that. Also Tôya is already at least 50 (if the 'several decades' were 20 years)...so imagining him dying after already suffering some braindamage is not that hard.

[MeoTwister5]

Medically speaking his paraplegia was likely a result of brain damage affecting the primary motor cortex, causing him to lose the use of his legs as a result of the accident. The thing is however, unless he hit his head somewhere hard enough to cause traumatic tissue damage, the injury is likely a result of prolonged hypoxia from diving into the sea after you know who. The problem here is that hypoxic brain damage is more often universal than focal, so if this were the case it would be odd that he only lost complete use of his legs combined with retrograde amnesia. It is more likely that he had traumatic head injury before he was discovered by Hachijou.

[Renall]

Or, y'know, Ryukishi doesn't actually know what happens when you're drowning.

[AuraTwilight]

HOW DO YOU KNOW HE'S WRONG? HAVE YOU EVER DROWNED? NO? STFU + GOLD TRUTH = I WIN YOU ALL LOSE HAHAHAHAHA.

--Ryukishi

[Renall]

Three things you are likely to get in fiction that are extremely unlikely in reality:

• Retrograde amnesia.
• Psychosomatic paralysis.
• Post-traumatic stress-related loss of speech.

Ryukishi was close to the trifecta, but he can't have a character who doesn't talk, although Tohya only being able to communicate through writing would've been so fitting.

[AuraTwilight]

Nah, knowing Ryu he'd be a dick and be like "Battler was going to tell everything, but he can't talk and has no pen handy. THEN HE DIED. THE END."

[Renall]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Nah, knowing Ryu he'd be a dick and be like "Battler was going to tell everything, but he can't talk and has no pen handy. THEN HE DIED. THE END."

"The entire truth is here, in this book."

"I'm not familiar with this script."

"Oh, that's Manx. Until recently, only two people in the entire world could read and write it. One was an old man in England who died several years ago. And the other one was........... oh. Well."

[AuraTwilight]

"Battler, I can't read your handwriting."

"In my final breath, I curse my cerebral palsy...ugghrrrhhhhghh...." Dies.

[Renall]

If Umineko Rei doesn't include a hilarious adventure as Ange attempts to first recover (through a series of hilarious mishaps) and then actually decipher Battler's notes on The Real Actual Truth, I will be quite disappointed.

"There's nothing in here but drawings of big-breasted witches and 'ihihihihi' written over and over in the margins. Goddamn you, Battler!"

[AuraTwilight]

"Alright Ange, you deserve to know, the one truth."

As Battler tells her, a train speeds by, preventing Ange from hearing anything.

"Onii-chan, say that again? Onii-chan?"

Battler's eyes had gone cold and dead. "God dammit, what happened now?"

Hachijou, with a pained expression, said, "The interference of all the wifi must have interfered with his pacemaker..."

"OH COME ON!"

[Renall]

The truth, on the other hand, would just be all the more painful if Ange realized incompetence runs in her family.

Spoiler for Totally The Truth, Honest: