2012-10-15, 13:20 | Link #102 |
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So just for the sake of conversation, something has been bugging me about what Madara initially said to Obito. Madara said it was like Obito 'slipped through' the rubble. I'm still under the impression that that is Obito's MS technique Kamui that allows him to slip through things. And clearly Obito didn't have MS when he first met Madara. Now we find out (although I suspected it) that Madara actually chose Obito. Which means Obito didn't slip through the rubble into Madara's hideout, but was brought there, presumably by Zetsu. So that then means that Madara knew what Obito's MS technique would be before Obito got it. Which would then imply that Madara did know Obito's lineage and was expecting him to develop Kamui. SO I would then assume that Izuna and/or Madara had Kamui and Obito is his descendant and that Madara planned this whole scenario with Obito in mind. Just some speculation...
of course it could also be that Obito's regular sharingan is capable of using a weakened Kamui, but I'm not a fan of that idea since Kakashi, Itachi and Sasuke can't use weakened MS techniques while in a normal sharingan state. I think MS should have its own specific techniques that can't be used otherwise. |
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2012-10-15, 15:30 | Link #104 |
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we know that tobi slipping through things is the same technique as him sucking objects into another dimension as confirmed by kakashi which is kamui. that panel in the konan fight can be explained 2 ways. 1 is that he just deactivated MS. the 2nd is that kishi purposely didnt want to show tobi's MS design at that time. until it's said that obito can use kamui without MS it isnt a fact and doesn't even make sense in the context of the series given kakashi's usage of kamui specifically with MS activated and the reveal that tobi was obito with the same MS eye as kakashi
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2012-10-15, 19:46 | Link #106 | |
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2012-10-15, 22:43 | Link #108 |
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I have to say that visually this was one of the most amazing chapters in the series. In terms of content, it didn't actually show much, though. On another note, this chapter demonstrates powerfully the one thing I dislike so much about the manga. Certain abilities are just way too powerful. I mean look at Obito. He went from being useless dropout to an army slaying powerhouse in a couple of days, just because he unlocked his MS and got injected with Senju DNA. I mean really, at this point of the story, unless you have the Sharingan or Senju DNA, you just might as well kill yourself before the big guys do it.
Anyway, enough with the rant. I really enjoyed this chapter for its beautiful goriness.
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2012-10-15, 22:49 | Link #109 |
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If the Edo Tensei revives people to the point at which they died then something is not adding up. Madara was revived with his original eyes and the ability to use the Rinnegan but these new chapters show him mentoring Obito with a single borrowed Sharingan. Is the timeline messed up or is that location a gateway to the realm of death?
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2012-10-15, 23:22 | Link #110 | |
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Remember that Impure World Resurrection doesn't require you to summon the resurrected at the time you revive them. You're thinking of Rinne Tensei which revives people to their condition before death or at least, the condition the corpse was in, and they immediately awake. Edo Tensei is merely placing a soul in a body, but the body is in a casket until you summon them. My guess is, just like Obito placed Rinnegan and Sharingan eyes into the Jinchuuriki to 'modify' them, Kabuto modified Madara by making him younger but retaining his ability to use Rinnegan. |
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2012-10-16, 07:32 | Link #111 | |
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And yes at the very least hash's dna probably provides obito with stamina as u mention, but why doesn't kakashi eye bleed?
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2012-10-16, 12:20 | Link #113 |
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I find it confusing to refer to the phasing, the absorbing, and the 'sending stuff you're looking at to another dimension' as the same technique. I mean, don't get me wrong, I accepted that they're essentially using the same principle. It's just that, if you say "use Kamui", do you mean the phasing, the absorbing, or the transporting? It's confusing.
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2012-10-16, 14:00 | Link #114 | ||
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2. obitos eye is bleeding at the end of this chapter. he's using the mangekyou, i just don't think kamui and the phasing are the same mechanism... Quote:
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2012-10-16, 19:50 | Link #118 | |
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i think i'm right about obito's eye not bleeding because in the panel prior to his giant spiral trees technique, we see a close up of his MS as he's straining. there is no blood starting to drip out. in sasuke's case, the blood would have started to leak out the moment he strained that hard. then we see a big splash of blood over obito's eye that we've never seen on anyone before. it doesn't look like it came out of his eye
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2012-10-17, 01:09 | Link #119 |
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Chapter 606 Thread has been created. Please move all relevant discussions to the new thread.
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