Amagami SS - Episode 20 Discussion / Poll

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Lumine

This video was my exact reaction to this episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiVjd1q-hw

That never gets old.

On the side, it also answers my questions as to why the raw for 20 was so dang late.

[HayashiTakara]

Worst. Ending. EVER!

[MikeyGrey]

got some f/sn & clannad flashbacks from the trees but thats pretty much it. ending ruined the rest

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by Kagayaki

Even if nice guys finish last, that's irrelevant here. Finishing last implies someone beat you. Rihoko didn't lose so that someone else could win. She just flat out lost. Nobody won here.

The motivation for an omnibus romance is to explore multiple relationship possibilities, which didn't happen here. Nothing happened in this arc that couldn't have happened in the other arcs.

However, there are some perfectly good stories where the main couple never gets together. Even with the friendship ending, this arc would've been fine if the writers had shown us things about the characters we didn't already know, or had the characters or their relationships with one another change and grow through their experiences during the arc. But neither of these happened.

People graduated, a new member joined the club, people slept through things and ate a lot of sweets. It was a crappified version of K-on. If they were doing slice-of-life instead of romance for this arc, they should've at least done a good job of it.

tl;dr: Nothing of value happened in this arc. Rihoko got the shaft, but so did the viewers. Way to screw up, writers.

well.. this is slightly off topic, but let me explain

when you are called a "nice guy" that is just lip service

what they really mean is "There is nothing really noteworthy about this person. This person is plain. This person doesn't have an exciting personality"

And sadly, that describes Rihoko

Now, from what I understand she had a different personality in the manga (perhaps more drive?), so things folded out differently.

So I'm sorry, "nice guys" finish last for a reason.

And to my understanding, not all arcs use the best ending anyway. I believe only Haruka and Ai's arc used their best endings.

[Used Can]

I think I can understand what they tried to do with Rihoko's arc, since, rather than following the typical formula in which the guy suddenly starts a relationship with girl and they hit it off, here we had an already established relationship (much different than what he had with Kaoru) and instead of developing quickly into romance, we're shown them as best friends with the open possibility that, maybe, one day they'll get into a romantic relationship.

The problem is, when you're dealing with a romance anime, in which all the girls are getting their romantic end, most people pretty much want to see how it turns out with every single girl. So, when you have an arc with barely any romantic development and without a romantic end, many fans are bound to be displeased - especially considering how cute and endearing Rihoko can be.

I cannot call it a bad arc on itself, since it tried to deliver a theme and story and it did it. However, in my opinion, that simply didn't fit this anime and left me with a bad after-taste.

I'm really hoping they won't ruin Tsukasa's arc.

Anyway, Haruka keeps being awesome. If there was a main female in this anime, it'd definitely be her. Even if Ai is my favourite from the game and the mangas, Haruka is the best girl in the anime. She seriously can brighten an episode.

[Kagayaki]

Originally Posted by Key Board

well.. this is slightly off topic, but let me explain

when you are called a "nice guy" that is just lip service

what they really mean is "There is nothing really noteworthy about this person. This person is plain. This person doesn't have an exciting personality"

And sadly, that describes Rihoko

Now, from what I understand she had a different personality in the manga (perhaps more drive?), so things folded out differently.

So I'm sorry, "nice guys" deserve to finish last.

Maybe I wasn't clear in my previous post. "Nice guys" generally do finish last. But I don't really care whether or not Rihoko ended up with Junichi.

What I meant was that the writers should have added more character development in order to make the arc interesting. Which they didn't.

A growing romantic relationship is of many, many ways they could've done this. But as it stands, the characters are still pretty much the same at the end as they were in the beginning, and we didn't learn much about them that we didn't already know.

So we basically agree that as she is portrayed in this arc, Rihoko is boring and doesn't really try to do anything to change herself or her situation. I'm saying that maybe better writers could have brought out something more interesting in her, even if it didn't involve romance.

[SageGaiGar]

Subs for episode 20

ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━!!!!!

Welp...

Spoiler for ep 20:

A couple... except not. Still got time for a cup of rage. (╬ ಠ益ಠ)

One of the progress yet not progress... Bah.

[pagan poor]

Originally Posted by Lumine

This video was my exact reaction to this episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiVjd1q-hw

That was well done. Whoever did the script for that totally nailed it.

I wasn't tied to having a "good" end for all the girls, but I'm not surprised they've mixed it up for each of the girls.

[FlareKnight]

Yeah kind of disappointed at the ending. You could see it coming, but still wish they had moved things along. Instead have the likely result down the road of them ending up as a couple. But don't actually see it happen. Of course with Junichi not being that sharp in this kind of thing and Rihoko having no rush to get anything to happen here is where you have it. I mean the tea club and Kanae can only do so much, the rest was up to them.

At least the tea club survived .

[Dr. Casey]

I liked episode 20 Rihoko was the best she is a great heroine I enjoyed watching this episode and I don't think Rihoko's fat

[ID555]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Yeah kind of disappointed at the ending. You could see it coming, but still wish they had moved things along. Instead have the likely result down the road of them ending up as a couple. But don't actually see it happen. Of course with Junichi not being that sharp in this kind of thing and Rihoko having no rush to get anything to happen here is where you have it. I mean the tea club and Kanae can only do so much, the rest was up to them.

At least the tea club survived .

Are you suggesting Rihoko's Arc be renamed to The Tea Club Arc? Because I think that's brilliant

[Dr. Casey]

Of course, everything Flare says is brilliant.

[Kotohono]

In the end I still preferred Kanae and the two tea club members to Rihoko , so I am not really disappointed by this, and though romance didn't develop I did still enjoy the episode and I was glad Junich did at least join the tea club so she wouldn't be alone.

P.S.

Originally Posted by Itlandm

Nut even if not, I think this series is a strong contender for "most wasted potential award 2010". So much good art, so much dumb script.

No, trust me that award undoubtedly is deserved by Mayoi Neko Overrun, I am sure anyone who's seen it would agree with me sadly.

[Sai Feng]

....


They better make a 45-minute OVA retelling Rihoko's arc.

[Arnavion]

What are you guys talking about? It was a happy end! The tea club survived and might even get new members!

What? You mean the arc wasn't about the tea club? Even though that was the major focus of every episode? Some girl named Rihoko?

Originally Posted by Lumine

This video was my exact reaction to this episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiVjd1q-hw

Help I can't stop laughing...

[DragoonKain3]

Yeah, that was the feeling I got about this. It's more about the tea farking club than Rihoko. As someone else said, it felt more like a slice-of-life show rather than a romance one.

I mean seriously, Haruka gets an effing time skip to when she actually is already married to Junichi, and we get this for Rihoko? All I ask for is for a peck in the cheek, or even just a tight hug between the two, and we don't even get that?

I mean, I get all the undertones of the 4 episodes dedicated to her. From the motto persistence is key, the tea club symbolizing their romantic relationship, that before it was only Rihoko in the tea club as was her one-sided love, that before she needed her sempai's help with her love, that now Junichi is also in the tea club helping to keep it going and she doesn't need her sempai anymore, that once they graduate from the tea club their love will graduate also to the next level, etc... but goddamnit, I want something more tangible. I mean, other girls got it... why not even one small ounce for Rihoko?

Grr... makes me mad. Oh well, at least I thought Kaoru's was very well done, and that was the osananajimi-like ending that I expected for Rihoko as well. But alas, it ain't to be. Yar... >_>

[msg]

I've to admit I'm fairly dissappointed of how they handle this series, it could've done better..sigh.I could even say kimikiss is tad better than amagami.The directors who is doing this series should be shot

[pikachuwei]

that hitler's vid

and the start of ep 20 basically described our thoughts

WHAT?! NO PROGRESS?

my theory that haruka end is the real ending of all paths of amagami still stands~

[Dr. Casey]

What a tragic ending Amagami SS has if that's the case.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by msg

The directors who is doing this series should be shot

I think that's going just a tad bit to far..