2008-10-16, 03:26 | Link #381 |
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Wow, two episodes in and you're certainly asking for a lot.
Obviously there's still a lot of mystery behind the characters, their motivations and the world they exist in because well...we're only two episodes into the anime. To me it looks as though they are trying to set up a situation where Touma protects Index and Index comes to trust Touma. I didn't find any of the characters boring, but I did find the discussion a bit long considering they were in the middle of a fight. Yes, this is obviously shounen. If you aren't a fan of shounen then you might not enjoy this one. As for Stiyl's motivation, it looks like they are probably saving that for another time. As per usual they will keep us in the dark until they feel like telling us his secrets. I also get the feeling he is not a bad guy. The way he looked at Index when they were alone and how he almost caressed her face tells me there is more between them than we(non-manga and light novel readers) know. I'm certainly enjoying this one. |
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Dunno Xenoglossia, but Claymore and Mai HiME took 2 full seasons to develop a the world and background. Index had 2 full episodes, and you compare that? You can't possibly be serious?!? In comparison, Index spent much _more_ time on explaining the universe and developing the characters. Which in fact is what you criticize for doing, before at the same time you chastise the show for NOT doing it. It's schizophrenic. Quote:
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2008-10-16, 05:24 | Link #384 | |
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Erm, I don't suppose you realized that what you're asking for suppose to be revealed near the end of the arc, and not the beginning of it right? I mean, what's the point of showing all your cards this this early in the story? You don't just throw out stuff like that in the 2nd episode, that's an example of shallow writing, you reveal it bit by bit, before hitting the viewers with a big one.
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2008-10-16, 08:57 | Link #386 | |
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Generally speaking, when a shady character has a convincing motivation for what he's doing he should of course explain it to the protagonist be it in episode two or even in episode one. Same goes if he can make up a convincing motivation. Otherwise he should just fight, not talk. And of course, the clueless main protagonist should ask questions when he has the chance. When it comes to building up and revealing mysteries, rule number one for good writing means that information has to flow (or not) in a natural way. When a story is forcefully bend and twisted in a way that mysteries are built up revealed at a rate the author sees fit then you have shallow writing.
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2008-10-16, 09:08 | Link #387 | |
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No~ What he's implying is that he wants the bad-guy to come out and say that he's not really a bad guy, just that he has to do bad things for the greater good. This is not something you do on first introduction, there's no reason to be so chumpy with a stranger. That is basically revealing all the cards in your hand, you're not suppose to find out how 'deep' a character is on first impression -_- ...For that matter, why are you bringing up mystery story? None of us said anything about mystery genre.
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2008-10-16, 09:44 | Link #388 |
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To much complaining. No title is going to spoonfeed the viewer in that way. The POV is thru Touma so if Stiyl said "I'm not really a bad guy. There is a greater force at work blah, blah." Would you expect Touma or the viewer to swallow it?
No anime watcher is that naive and the Japanese viewers would prob crucify the show's director. No shounen title that is popular (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece) does it. Anyway looking forward to the subs for ep. 3.
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2008-10-16, 12:12 | Link #389 |
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I actually like the characters in this anime. Of course I don't have a habit of comparing them to every other character that they might have resembled in some other anime. I like going in with a clean slate.
Touma seems like an honorable sort of guy. He's got a sarcastic sense of humor which I like. I also like how he doesn't let his misfortune get him too down. Index is sweet and trusting and yet she's not a pushover. I got quite a bit out of their introduction to each other. I also like the teacher. She smokes, drinks, probably uses her childish appearance to manipulate people and I'm curious to know how her appearance affects her confidence. They might play with it or they might not. I typically give shounen a break since I know I'm not it's target audience. It seems most shounen have those long discussions and boasting in the middle of a fight and Claymore was definitely not an exception. Though, other than being shounen they aren't really similar in mood at all. I don't think I've ever actually watched a shounen anime that made me think the main characters would die in the first two episodes. |
2008-10-16, 12:20 | Link #390 |
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Er...I think you can blame the original light novel author for that not the director for the original material.
They are going for several volumes of it not one. Naruto, Bleach and One Piece came from manga which more on action and more action. Light Novels are prose so they have a different way of capturing the readers imagination. |
2008-10-16, 15:27 | Link #391 | |
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Anyway I like the battle in episode 2... It remind me Mx0... Anyway the most interest me is loli teacher... lol.. I didnt read Index light novel and manga so I lazy to comment deeper...
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2008-10-16, 17:28 | Link #393 | |
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Mystery story, story containing mysteries. Call it as you want. Most action anime contain some deal of mysteries and this one is no exception.
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I'm saying a character is supposed to act rational. If he comes to the conclusion that revealing his agenda is against his interests - which might very well be - then he shouldn't talk at all or make up some convincing lies. That's all. Which is pretty much the opposite of orion's "spoonfeeding". Spoonfeeding is what we got instead - including a lot of irrelevant details and in disregard of the principle of "show don't tell". I'm already feeling stupid for pointing all that out because it's not that I'm expecting a brilliant script here - it's certainly not the genre for that. My initial reaction was forget it, it's a cartoony villain doing his cartoony villain thing, let's go on to the F/X. I was just surprised to see you declaring a bug a feature. You say "But a character isn't supposed to do that in episode two!" as if it shouldn't the author's concern in the first place not to bring characters into situations where they have reveal something vital too early.
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Okay, this is going to get us nowhere, I'm just going to point out,
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2008-10-16, 18:45 | Link #395 |
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Spoiled? What's so bad about wanting clear motivations? Or dialogue that, you know, actually allows the plot to progress instead of acting like a dog chasing its own tail?
If you go through all of the plots that I've found enjoyable (I'll cite The Dark Knight as a good, recent example), you'll notice that the characters get straight to the point as to what they're after. They don't need to reveal their entire backstory, but they reveal just enough so that we see what's going on in their heads and the logical grounds with which they use to justify their actions. Whether us, the viewer, or the other characters agree with their mindset is another matter, but a clear motivation is essential if we're to connect with the characters in a meaningful way. This show feels like it's too afraid to address those issues directly, and to avoid having to be clear, it takes a roundabout approach to doing so by kicking clarity to the curb. That's not good writing. That's muddled writing.
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2008-10-16, 19:10 | Link #396 |
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lmao so much drama. I dont care for anything that has been argued in this thread, let me just say that if you dont like the story and the development, nobody is forcing you to continue watching it. I am enjoying the anime that actually has characters I really like I first saw the OP of it in some blog and gave it a try, very happy that I did it now I look forward to seeing the other characters
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2008-10-16, 19:25 | Link #397 | |
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anyways... we now know that Touma actually died and that the entire series is a huge "what if" just like Code Geass R2, which techically ended at episode 2. Speaking of Code Geass, I can really hear bits of Sayoko,and even Peke dripping from Arai's take on Kuroko... |
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2008-10-16, 20:09 | Link #398 | |
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Didn't have a problem with the characters in the first couple episodes. At any rate am looking forward to episode 3 to see how the healing magic goes.
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2008-10-16, 21:33 | Link #399 |
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4955580
The veranda person finally did it again. Stiyls sings on the floor (kind of creepy, in a funny manner) Notice: The visuals are slightly spoilerish for people who have not read 1st volume of novel or not following the manga. ⊂( ゚ヮ゚)⊃ Who's next? Kanzaki with Starry Heavens?
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