2008-10-07, 13:22 | Link #2061 |
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Internet Cafe
|
It's like whether or not Lulu lived or died, they clearly set it up so that you can use the fight as evidence of either one of them being the superior pilot.
One idea I never heard anybody else put out yet is that rather than the live geass empowering Suzaku it's possible that it wound up failing him in that in the last moments it might have forced him to throw the fight in such a way that he would make it out alive rather than let him go all out (which probably would have ended in them killing each other.) Regardless, it's kinda like shipping, people who can't look at it subjectively will say that the character they like more is better. |
2008-10-08, 00:51 | Link #2062 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
|
Quote:
either way, all Geass have their ability but nothing was shown that it makes someone a more skilled pilot or make his mecha more advanced. yes i can state that Live Geass helps bring someone fight at his peak but not go beyond. you have provide no evidence whatsoever and tried to post your opinion as fact. Live Geass helped Suzaku work harder to what he is capable off anyway, however not surpassing it or going beyond. His fight with Bismark was nothing special. He used his Live Geass to work harder and he speed up his mecha to a fast speed against Bismark, the move was a head on attack that even Bismark knew about but couldnt stop. He decided to face him straight on with a inferior mecha and he paid the price. Suzaku didnt gain no skills or his Albion was made stronger in the fight, he just used Live Geass to help him go faster (but not faster than what the Albion is capable off) and did a move that Bismark thought he could counter but failed. Quote:
as for the Live Geass failing him, he needed to fake his death since he couldn't live as Suzaku no more. so it could be a possibility but he had control over it and that is why i believe he made the fight a draw and not Live Geass forcing him too. the way Albion exploded it was just to fool everyone Kallen, Gino and the audiance that Suzaku got killed and lost but he didnt.
__________________
Last edited by X_Danny_X; 2008-10-08 at 01:11. |
||
2008-10-08, 01:06 | Link #2063 | |||
Spinning Lotus
Join Date: Jul 2008
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
The live Geass is a skill, one he triggers willfully. Quit trying to downplay its importance. He wouldn't have won without it.
__________________
|
|||
2008-10-08, 01:33 | Link #2064 | ||||
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
|
Quote:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=12281 you said it help push him to the limit. nothing about going beyond that is foolish and you are contradicting yourself. and did you watch episode 25 again and realize your error of saying Suzaku used his Live Geass from the get go against Kallen? Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
its funny how you say Kallen would of won against Bismark because her mech is superior and not Suzaku, yeah great logic there buddy.
__________________
|
||||
2008-10-08, 01:44 | Link #2065 | |||||
Spinning Lotus
Join Date: Jul 2008
|
Quote:
Quote:
What's this? Live Geass activates at the start of the fight? When you ask people to review the episode, be sure that you're right. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
|||||
2008-10-08, 09:45 | Link #2066 | |||||
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
|
Quote:
Quote:
let me prove my case. here is a face of Suzaku when were shown again him and Kallen battling for the second time. as you can see his face is not lit up with Live Geass. Live Geass is off. So before this pic was shown Suzaku had to be battling Kallen with out the Live Geass for a while. Now after this pic, Suzaku and Kallen exchanged blows and we are once again shown Suzaku's face. He has no Live Geass. Live Geass is still off. So he is still battling Kallen without the assistance of Live Geass. next scene we are shown Kallen and Suzaku fighting in mere dots and then up in the sky fighting and hitting each other. Suzaku lands a hit to Kallen with one of the swords and then Kallen lands a kick to Suzaku. keep in mind that the last time we saw Suzaku he had no Live Geass on and once again we are are shown his face. No Live Geass! and later on we see he still has the two blades. So he was fighting Kallen with no Live Geass still to this point. next time we are taken to the battle were Kallen and Suzaku are engaging because we see a red blast that was aimed at Suzaku. when were are shown Suzaku's face immidiately after, No LIVE GEASS being used even at this point in the battle. So sometime before the first pick of Suzaku that I posted the Live Geass was off and up to this point. NOT ONCE were we shown Suzaku having the LIVE GEASS on. He was fighting Kallen without it. That is a big chunk of the fight. It is only when he tried to end the fight that we were again shown that Suzaku using Live Geass which he managed to do and fake his death. do you understand now? he didnt use it 100% and for the majority of the fight, Suzaku didnt use Live Geass against Kallen. Quote:
also Code Geass R2 made it a habit that when a new mecha is introduce or given some sort of an upgrade that it wins for some reason or another. so sooner or later Suzaku would of won. I am not desperately trying downgrade the Live Geass, it does what it does but Suzaku can do the samething but just a little longer. Quote:
Quote:
again, this series in R2 made it a habit of showing more advanced mechas or newly introduced or ones that recieved an upgrade win. only a 9th generation frame can defeat a 9th generation. there are just too many weapons and variables. so no, Bismark would lose in the end. if he had a equal mecha then his skills would defeat anyone put in front of him along with the aid of his future geass. they would of made the new mecha win for whatever reason they can come up with.
__________________
|
|||||
2008-10-08, 09:58 | Link #2067 |
Banned
Join Date: Jun 2007
|
Uh, the reason why Suzaku's Geass wasn't active was because a blast like the one Kallen did with the last of her energy could have easily been blocked. That shield was big. When they went close-up, the Live Geass activated again, and THEN, later on, WHILST IT WAS ACTIVE, he said:
"I can't lay down a blow decisively, even with the Live Geass...Kallen, what strength...!" And he used the Geass in critical moments of the fight. The beginning, because he needed to get the upper hand, and the end because he sought to kill her. Pretty freakin' pertinent moments if you ask me. |
2008-10-08, 12:36 | Link #2068 |
The Dark Knight
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: From the deepest abyss in the world, where you think?
Age: 38
|
It's an on and off thing. When Suzaku needs that little edge to get through an obstacle it turns on. He doesn't need it on all the time. If Kallen pulls a manuever that catches him off guard or something that's really hard to counter, it turns on.
It was only when he was brought down to just hands and legs that he had to go all out with his live geass on all the time. Besides, it was a tie. Both suits were totalled. Kallen didn't die because Gino saved her. Suzaku didn't die because he jumped out of the suit in time. |
2008-10-08, 18:40 | Link #2069 | ||||||||
Spinning Lotus
Join Date: Jul 2008
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
And yes, he would have failed against Bismarck, because he was failing against Bismarck. He couldn't touch the man, and he knew it, which is why he needed the help. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
||||||||
2008-10-08, 18:45 | Link #2070 | |
Tenshi's Defense Squadron
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Fighting against those who oppress the system
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2008-10-09, 01:14 | Link #2071 |
I Want GN Flag II
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: A-LAWLS Base (orly?)
|
Suzaku's live geass kicks in basically serves as an override when he is in a situation where he would die if it wasnt for it. He would do actions which basically prevent his death, such as a ceasefire with the FLIEJA being fired. He CANT use the Geass intentionally. Thats all there is.
The reason why Bismark died was because the Live Geass made suzaku move "unnaturally", he was deviating off what Bismark's geass was telling him, travelling right instead of left. Well in his case, Suzaku charged straight as Bismark, instead of flying away like the geass told him. It didn't make him go faster at all. Now in the final battle, basically the same story. If it wasnt for the live geass suzaku would have died. His geass basically controlled him in situations where he would have been overwhelmed indefinately, so therefore he could only barely match the Guren, example he'd only be able to defend the Guren's attack. The live geass pretty much commands you to live; lets say if a flieja bomb was launched, Suzaku would have escaped the vicinity of the area ASAP to ensure his survival, like as if he was brainwave hacking. The Guren was disabled to some extent, it meant the whole shutdown cause the OS crashed (or something like that... snapped power cables anyone?). However, Suzaku's KMF was impaled, by the "useless" arm which the Guren rarely ever uses, in the yddragsil drive/power filler location. (Proven when C.C.'s lancelot gets decimated; you see a pink glow in that region). Technically the lancelot would be completely disabled by that and I'd assume that without any power, since the Yddragsil drive would have been destroyed. We won't know if it was a deliberate loss, since sunrise left it as an open ending; its purely subjective. Just stop arguing over it okay? |
2008-10-09, 06:39 | Link #2072 | ||||||||
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
|
Quote:
Quote:
the whole time from then on when we are shown Suzaku he had no Live Geass until he tried again to get a decisive hit. he mentioned about not being able to end it using LIVE GEASS, so thats even more proof that he wasnt using it. So He had it OFF UNTIL THAT TIME. the writers dont need to show you his blasted face every single time they are battleling to tell you that live geass is not being used. you cannot say he had it on since everytime we are shown it is blasted off in that time frame. IT IS OFF. use your blasted common sense on that one. throughout they both got their hits on each other and they were even after they ran out of energy to fly with their wings. Quote:
the writers dont need to show you his face everytime he is battling to tell and make the point accross that Live Geass was off and he was able to hit her without it. Quote:
oh dear, they Broadcast the battle on TV for Suzaku and Bismark. Lelouch then told Suzaku that he could not lose since this is broacast around the world. So it was a broadcast live event and a battle LOL. Earth to Morobo!!! they needed to make a statement and wasted no time. there was just too much at stake.. Suzaku was about to try something else because he said "however" before he got interuptted by Lelouch. when you have a newly advanced mecha in your hands, you can win more than one way when your opponent has an inferior machine. you have nothing backing up that claim. time and time again in R2 that a newly introduced mecha was introduced or given an enhancement, it came out the victor. they would of made Suzaku win some other way. Kallen then even mentioned that only the Guren can match up against that Albion. that helps point that only a 9th generation frame can defeat another 9th generation frame. Quote:
yeah, and you are trying to downgrade Suzaku. you are trying to make it seem that someone who is Superhuman cannot do something so simple as to make his machine faster. there is no advantage other than reaching his peak of performance quicker. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
and looks who is making things up. you come and say Sticking Rolo in the 5th generation Sutherland and also have him kill him in an instant???????????????????????????????? yeah, another attempt to downgrade Suzaku as some joe.
__________________
|
||||||||
2008-10-09, 07:11 | Link #2074 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
|
Quote:
this has nothing to do with a person winning against a person who is in a more advanced mecha. they didnt make it happend so it is pointless to bring something like that up. they made the opposite happend over and over again in one on one situations.
__________________
|
|
2008-10-09, 07:49 | Link #2076 |
Banned
Join Date: Jun 2007
|
What he said was:
and looks who is making things up. you come and say Sticking Rolo in the 5th generation Sutherland and also have him kill him in an instant???????????????????????????????? yeah, another attempt to downgrade Suzaku as some joe. Having an instant kill ability does not make Suzaku 'some joe'. Any pilot, no matter how skilled, can be killed by Rolo, or could have been, and he indeed would have owned Suzaku given a Sutherland and a few seconds of time stoppage. |
2008-10-09, 09:11 | Link #2079 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
|
i dont want to get into a discussion about Rolo with his Geass in a 5th generation frame beating a 9th Generation frame with the pilot being an ace in a INSTANT, since that is Morobo's arguement. i would only say that it wont be instant by any means since certainly they would not come unprepare against him with that Geass.
the more times Rolo uses his Geass his heart takes a pounding and certainly with a 9th generation mecha and the pilot being an ace and knowing about his Geass, will make Rolo use the Geass to a good degree and work for the win. win or lose i dont see the battle being decided in an instant. that is all i am going to say about that subject.
__________________
|
Tags |
mecha |
|
|