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GDB · 2014-07-15, 08:51

It'll be interesting to see where he goes with this. He previously stated that he wanted Vegeta to be the main character next time, but we also know that editors usually got in the way of what he wanted in order to prop Goku up. It also hasn't been 3 years (in real life) since Battle of Gods, so Beerus might not be awake yet.

n0m@n · 2014-07-16, 00:13

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Originally Posted by SidVicious

Dragon Ball Z Gets New 2015 Film by Creator Toriyama

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...oriyama/.76681

Hell yeah!

Chosen_Hero · 2014-07-16, 01:41

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Originally Posted by n0m@n

Hell yeah!

(Clicks on the link and reads the post) ... a continuat... *faints from the excitement*

LuckyCat · 2014-07-21, 12:45

The public movie site says 「史上最悪の願い。それは、絶望が始まり」(The most evil wish in history. This is how the despair begins)

Looks like the plot will revolve around a terrible dragon ball wish, or the consequences of a wish made earlier in the series? Interesting

GDB · 2014-07-21, 12:51

It better not be something horribly asinine like Goku wishing the other Gods of Destruction to Earth so he can fight them.

Blaat · 2014-07-21, 12:55

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Originally Posted by LuckyCat

Looks like the plot will revolve around a terrible dragon ball wish, or the consequences of a wish made earlier in the series? Interesting

Let me guess the panties Oolong got from the first wish was in fact from one those gods like Bills and now she wants it back or else...

SidVicious · 2014-07-22, 11:26

Maybe Vegeta will wish for Goku to vanish.

GDB · 2014-07-22, 11:41

Not really sure why he'd do that, or how it'd really bring about an entire movie's worth of plot. After all, he accepted Goku after/during the Buu Saga, so going back to that Android Saga dynamic would be erasing his character development.

Kanon · 2014-07-22, 15:13

Goku is way too strong for Shenron's wishes to affect him anyway.

I'm expecting the wish to be something silly like this:

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Originally Posted by Blaat

Let me guess the panties Oolong got from the first wish was in fact from one those gods like Bills and now she wants it back or else...

Toriyama said the movie would be super funny, after all.

ChainLegacy · 2014-07-22, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Toriyama said the movie would be super funny, after all.

Oh, just what I wanted....

I think it's better for my mental state to just consider these movies to be humorous OVAs that don't matter much to the overall canon. I'll just go back to considering the Dragon Ball plot finished like I did before Battle of the Gods.

GDB · 2014-07-22, 15:30

Weird part is it's supposed to be an "evil" wish, not a "destructive" wish. It's entirely possible that some third party, like Hoi from Wrath of the Dragon, is the one that makes the wish.

Honestly, I'd love if the "despair" was a reference to Future Trunks. Something like... present Trunks wants to meet the future him who fought against Cell with his dad and Gohan, so he wishes to meet him in a way that creates an inter-dimensional pathway. This allows all manner of evil to cross through, while also giving us fan favorite Future Trunks back!

Gundamx · 2014-07-22, 16:18

why don't they hide dragon ball in safe place like Namek?
other evil people already mange to use it
for example in last movie Pilaf use it to gain youth

and if someone like him can gather them than anyone can get them
as long as they stay away from it when DBZ
(It look like they don't farm DB every year

)

about the wish, it could be many thing
for example red ribbon leftover mange to gather them and wish for world dominion or as revenge to erase goku memory from everyone or to send him to different dimension and it's up for Vegeta and co. to save him

GDB · 2014-07-22, 16:23

It can't directly affect Goku. Nappa was strong enough that the Dragon couldn't cause his death way back in the Saiyan Saga, and the Dragon wasn't strong enough to force Goku back to Earth after the Frieza Saga, so there's no way he'd be able to send him to another dimension.

Gundamx · 2014-07-22, 18:20

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Originally Posted by GDB

It can't directly affect Goku. Nappa was strong enough that the Dragon couldn't cause his death way back in the Saiyan Saga, and the Dragon wasn't strong enough to force Goku back to Earth after the Frieza Saga, so there's no way he'd be able to send him to another dimension.

that because half-piccolo was weaker than Nappa
Dragon ball can't make wish to defeat person who is stronger than the DB builder

but dende was stronger ( yes he is not fighter but healer) that why Dragon got upgrade when he become new guardian
(3-2 wishes instead of just one)

GDB · 2014-07-22, 18:42

Well, we know he's definitely not stronger than Gohan or Krillin when they were on Namek, so he'd be under 10k. And I doubt he was stronger than Muri, since they used Porunga to try to wish Goku back.

kenjiharima · 2014-07-22, 19:22

Ok if the new movies are directly after the serialization of DBZ, this means everything is after the Buu Saga right? I'm seeing a paradox here IF they consider GT as canon. Toriyama can create him own power up for the SSgod like what he did in the Battle of Gods movie.

Also I think this will be a wish that can cause chaos to the DB universe that would possibly make connection to the other DB multiverse as seen in the new DB game the Trunks there is the DBOnline Trunks and a red haired SS? SSJgod Gohan perhaps?

The funny scenes will probably be like the dancing Vegeta and idiot Gohan getting his wife shot.

Speaking of Vegeta? Where is my ova!?

GDB · 2014-07-22, 19:44

They actually take place between Kid Buu's Death and the last episode of Z (well last few episodes) where Uub debuts.

They don't consider GT canon. Battle of Gods went out of its way to remove GT from any semblance of canon.

Toriyama also said Goku (and likely by extension as shown in the movie, everyone else) wouldn't go past Super Saiyan 1 anymore. His reasoning being basically that there's no hard limit to Super Saiyan's power, so training base form will eventually allow one to equal higher forms but without the strain of that form.

AnimeFan188 · 2014-07-23, 01:14

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Originally Posted by GDB

Toriyama also said Goku (and likely by extension as shown in the movie, everyone else) wouldn't go past Super Saiyan 1 anymore. His reasoning being basically that there's no hard limit to Super Saiyan's power, so training base form will eventually allow one to equal higher forms but without the strain of that form.

If they don't go past Super Saiyan 1 anymore, what happens to the newly-revealed
God Mode?

Gundamx · 2014-07-23, 03:34

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Originally Posted by AnimeFan188

If they don't go past Super Saiyan 1 anymore, what happens to the newly-revealed
God Mode?

goku can used it with SS

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Originally Posted by GDB

Well, we know he's definitely not stronger than Gohan or Krillin when they were on Namek, so he'd be under 10k. And I doubt he was stronger than Muri, since they used Porunga to try to wish Goku back.

the problem is he is healer not dps

Kyero Fox · 2014-07-23, 08:08

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Originally Posted by GDB

They actually take place between Kid Buu's Death and the last episode of Z (well last few episodes) where Uub debuts.

They don't consider GT canon. Battle of Gods went out of its way to remove GT from any semblance of canon.

Toriyama also said Goku (and likely by extension as shown in the movie, everyone else) wouldn't go past Super Saiyan 1 anymore. His reasoning being basically that there's no hard limit to Super Saiyan's power, so training base form will eventually allow one to equal higher forms but without the strain of that form.

Exactly, Vegeta proved it too. SSJ3 is basicly more strain/lifespan for more Power and speed. which can be obtained with training and WILLPOWER as vegeta showed.

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kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Ok if the new movies are directly after the serialization of DBZ, this means everything is after the Buu Saga right? I'm seeing a paradox here IF they consider GT as canon. Toriyama can create him own power up for the SSgod like what he did in the Battle of Gods movie. Also I think this will be a wish that can cause chaos to the DB universe that would possibly make connection to the other DB multiverse as seen in the new DB game the Trunks there is the DBOnline Trunks and a red haired SS? SSJgod Gohan perhaps? The funny scenes will probably be like the dancing Vegeta and idiot Gohan getting his wife shot. Speaking of Vegeta? Where is my ova!? __________________ Vampire+Sisters Last edited by kenjiharima; 2014-07-24 at 21:06.

2014-07-15, 08:51	Link #881
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	It'll be interesting to see where he goes with this. He previously stated that he wanted Vegeta to be the main character next time, but we also know that editors usually got in the way of what he wanted in order to prop Goku up. It also hasn't been 3 years (in real life) since Battle of Gods, so Beerus might not be awake yet.

2014-07-21, 12:45	Link #884
LuckyCat Wise Kitty Cat Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego, CA	The public movie site says 「史上最悪の願い。それは、絶望が始まり」(The most evil wish in history. This is how the despair begins) Looks like the plot will revolve around a terrible dragon ball wish, or the consequences of a wish made earlier in the series? Interesting

2014-07-21, 12:51	Link #885
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	It better not be something horribly asinine like Goku wishing the other Gods of Destruction to Earth so he can fight them.

2014-07-22, 11:41	Link #888
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Not really sure why he'd do that, or how it'd really bring about an entire movie's worth of plot. After all, he accepted Goku after/during the Buu Saga, so going back to that Android Saga dynamic would be erasing his character development.

2014-07-22, 15:30	Link #891
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Weird part is it's supposed to be an "evil" wish, not a "destructive" wish. It's entirely possible that some third party, like Hoi from Wrath of the Dragon, is the one that makes the wish. Honestly, I'd love if the "despair" was a reference to Future Trunks. Something like... present Trunks wants to meet the future him who fought against Cell with his dad and Gohan, so he wishes to meet him in a way that creates an inter-dimensional pathway. This allows all manner of evil to cross through, while also giving us fan favorite Future Trunks back!

2014-07-22, 16:18	Link #892
Gundamx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	why don't they hide dragon ball in safe place like Namek? other evil people already mange to use it for example in last movie Pilaf use it to gain youth and if someone like him can gather them than anyone can get them as long as they stay away from it when DBZ (It look like they don't farm DB every year ) about the wish, it could be many thing for example red ribbon leftover mange to gather them and wish for world dominion or as revenge to erase goku memory from everyone or to send him to different dimension and it's up for Vegeta and co. to save him

2014-07-22, 16:23	Link #893
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	It can't directly affect Goku. Nappa was strong enough that the Dragon couldn't cause his death way back in the Saiyan Saga, and the Dragon wasn't strong enough to force Goku back to Earth after the Frieza Saga, so there's no way he'd be able to send him to another dimension.

2014-07-22, 18:42	Link #895
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Well, we know he's definitely not stronger than Gohan or Krillin when they were on Namek, so he'd be under 10k. And I doubt he was stronger than Muri, since they used Porunga to try to wish Goku back.

2014-07-22, 19:44	Link #897
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	They actually take place between Kid Buu's Death and the last episode of Z (well last few episodes) where Uub debuts. They don't consider GT canon. Battle of Gods went out of its way to remove GT from any semblance of canon. Toriyama also said Goku (and likely by extension as shown in the movie, everyone else) wouldn't go past Super Saiyan 1 anymore. His reasoning being basically that there's no hard limit to Super Saiyan's power, so training base form will eventually allow one to equal higher forms but without the strain of that form.