Fate/stay night Heaven's Feel Movie Discussion Thread

[sona-nyl]

Shirou still has his lowest command spell in the church scene so that's -1 point for UBW I guess. Though obviously they could change it so he loses his upper command spell first (It is impossible to see if it's there or not in the screenshot since it's so blurry and would probably be hidden by his jacket anyway) and you could probably do UBW even with a wounded archer.

So trollish that the only scene they included not from the common route is one that is in all routes albeit with differing dialogue.

[Allium]

[Houreki]

I still hear shiro screaming to saber, I hope they reduce the amount of times he does that because that was one of the reasons I didn't like shiro in Fate stay night

[maximilianjenus]

it will be illya's route.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Touko

They need to do Mind of Steel.

Shirou kidnaps Kuzuki and makes Caster commit suicide, snipes and blows off Ilya's head, kidnaps Sakura and kills Rin during blackmail, murders Sakura and kills Zouken's worm, aligns himself with Kotomine and betrays him at the last minute for GG.

That's how a Holy Grail War is meant to be fought.

I don't think Shirou would actually win in such a scenario. People who claim Shirou wins MoS are really stretching what Kotomine says, particularly since he has no way to possibly know.

And, no, they shouldn't adapt that, it would be horrible.

Originally Posted by Usami_Haru

Shirou still has his lowest command spell in the church scene so that's -1 point for UBW I guess. Though obviously they could change it so he loses his upper command spell first (It is impossible to see if it's there or not in the screenshot since it's so blurry and would probably be hidden by his jacket anyway) and you could probably do UBW even with a wounded archer.

So trollish that the only scene they included not from the common route is one that is in all routes albeit with differing dialogue.

Hmm, yeah, assuming they've not just made a mistake that does make UBW unlikely, at least a direct adaptation. They could easily mix the routes such that the branching point to UBW is later, though....

[Touko]

Shirou does win MoS, that's what the ending is about.

Shirou becomes the Asura like Kiritsugu and just kills and cripples everyone in his way.

[Cherry_Lover]

Right, and how the hell is Shirou going to take down the other servants? Let alone Gil (without UBW)....

I don't for one minute buy the "Shirou wins MoS because Kotomine said so" thing. Kotomine could not possibly know if he wins or not at that point. Plus, Kotomine is a master of "well, technically it was true", so even if he is right I fully expect Shirou to end up losing in effect even if he wins by technicality.

[Rising Dragon]

Probably the same way Kiritsugu was able to get around fighting Servants, by taking their Masters out of the game and/or forcing their Masters to kill their Servants.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Probably the same way Kiritsugu was able to get around fighting Servants, by taking their Masters out of the game and/or forcing their Masters to kill their Servants.

Kiritsugu had a servant, though, and a lot more experience....

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by ukulelembo

The animation looks great, though that's no surprise from a Ufotable production. It's nice to see Shirou again, and back as the main protagonist .

Of what I could make out from the trailer, there was some lines from Kotomine, Lancer, Rin, and of course, Saber's signature first line .

Even as someone who really likes Saber, I legitimately don't care about which route the new anime goes for, so long at there's at least some romance. So if Shirou gets a romance with any of the heroines, I'll be pretty much satisfied .

[MCAL]

Originally Posted by ukulelembo

Just noticed this... But there's a small shot of the Greater Holy Grail in the trailer. It's in between the Gil and Sakura scene. Heaven's Feel confirmed?

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by MCAL

Just noticed this... But there's a small shot of the Greater Holy Grail in the trailer. It's in between the Gil and Sakura scene. Heaven's Feel confirmed?

unfortunately that is showing it during the fire in one of Shiro's flashbacks of the Fuyuki fire at the end of the fourth holy grail war.

[Sansker]

So we are like always, still not sure about which route the anime will take. As long as is a good story I don't mind it but to be honest I like Saber more than Sakura or Rin. But as long as they do it well HF, Fate or UBW are all good stories, if only the main character didn't rub me so wrong but nothing is perfect.

[Death Usagi]

I just hope the concept is a bit more Heaven's Feel focused.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Death Usagi

I just hope the concept is a bit more Heaven's Feel focused.

My guess is that it is HF based but using the mentioned new scenes to develop some of the shafted characters.

[Sansker]

Which is my problem with the routes in the VN. It does end some characters rather fast because they are develop or explain in other places. That is not how I think an author should use their characters, and it creates an odd feeling. So going in any route without changing it could be bad. Character would appear and go without an arc, sometimes even without lines. Or just not appear at all. Better to use all the elements there to make a good tale than just pick a few and hope people will not ask too many questions. Maybe not the intention but I'm just saying.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Frontier

Even as someone who really likes Saber, I legitimately don't care about which route the new anime goes for, so long at there's at least some romance. So if Shirou gets a romance with any of the heroines, I'll be pretty much satisfied .

Honestly, I could live without romance. I think the romance is kind-of forced in the first two routes anyway. Sure, Saber does need character development in Fate, but I'm not sure she needs to fall in love with Shirou for that.

Originally Posted by Sansker

So we are like always, still not sure about which route the anime will take. As long as is a good story I don't mind it but to be honest I like Saber more than Sakura or Rin. But as long as they do it well HF, Fate or UBW are all good stories, if only the main character didn't rub me so wrong but nothing is perfect.

It's pretty obvious they have no intention of showing any details at this stage, yeah. Most likely, they know that confirming a route will lose viewers rather than gain them (if they confirmed it was going to be pure Fate or pure UBW with no mention of Sakura, for example, I would not be very interested). People want to know, yeah, but if they don't tell us now then we will watch the anime to find out.

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

My guess is that it is HF based but using the mentioned new scenes to develop some of the shafted characters.

It's hard to say, honestly. It could be either HF with more Saber, or Fate/UBW with scenes for Rider and Sakura. Or, even, a completely new route (although I think that is unlikely, because it's far more effort for relatively little gain).

Despite what people say, Saber does have a role in HF in her normal form, it's just earlier in the route, and it's not really focussed on because we already had a Saber route. I think they could easily expand that to make Saber a more important character and, indeed, they would need to, because the Saber-related aspects of HF are important as a reader proxy for how Shirou himself feels, and those aspects rely on the player having developed an attachment to Saber in the previous routes. The bit at the end where you have to kill Saber is a real hit to the player, and that only works if the player has become attached to Saber before it happens.

Originally Posted by Sansker

Which is my problem with the routes in the VN. It does end some characters rather fast because they are develop or explain in other places. That is not how I think an author should use their characters, and it creates an odd feeling. So going in any route without changing it could be bad. Character would appear and go without an arc, sometimes even without lines. Or just not appear at all. Better to use all the elements there to make a good tale than just pick a few and hope people will not ask too many questions. Maybe not the intention but I'm just saying.

Well, I don't think that's a problem with the VN format, as such. The problem is that it's rather difficult to make a story about a war between heroic spirits plausible if none of them ever die....

If the VN didn't have multiple routes, some of the characters would just never get development, because they would need to die to allow the story to work. Having multiple routes means that the shafting of characters can be spread around more, so no one character is fucked-over in all routes.

[hlavajda]

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

If the VN didn't have multiple routes, some of the characters would just never get development, because they would need to die to allow the story to work. Having multiple routes means that the shafting of characters can be spread around more, so no one character is fucked-over in all routes.

Tell that to Lancer

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Well, I don't think that's a problem with the VN format, as such. The problem is that it's rather difficult to make a story about a war between heroic spirits plausible if none of them ever die....

This is one of the most common complaints I remember hearing about Fate/Zero. It took until episode 11 for any Servant to die, and even then it was only the completely shallow Assassin. It wasn't until episode 15 that a prominent Servant, Caster, died, which was after the first cour's break.

Originally Posted by hlavajda

Tell that to Lancer

He was a champ in UBW. Plus, he must not have been screwed over completely since he has so many fans, mostly based on his performance in UBW.

[hlavajda]

Originally Posted by GDB

He was a champ in UBW. Plus, he must not have been screwed over completely since he has so many fans, mostly based on his performance in UBW.

Thats true but even in UBW he gets screwed over. He was shown as total badass and bro but gets ultimately killed by command spell. He deserved proper death in fight onscreen.