Higurashi Episode 8 Discussion / Poll

[frostfury]

Can I ask when exactly did Shion say "Onee" in the cell? Because I've watched the episode time and time again and I still haven't heard it o.O

Could someone give me like the exact time she says it in the Wind Sub?

[orion]

Yeah, I couldn't hear it either.

So this means that....

Spoiler:

Shion really did enter the warehouse. Mion was with her friends on the day of the festival. Shion really did confess to the village elder while she was held captive with the elder. Possibly everything post festival was Mion disguised as Shion, since Shion was without her clothes in the cell.

I felt sorry for Shion. Very little pity is being given to Mion.

Spoiler:

Really! All this started because Mion got jealous that someone else received a doll and she didn't. Truly low. She has this persona of being a tomboy, packs a pistol and yet, gets upset when her feminine side is not recognized. Someone needs to give her a dose of reality. If she truly wants people to recognize her feminine side, she should have started acting more feminine from the start. She probably was jealous of her sister for being able to show her feminine side and living a normal life. She should have just dealt with the fact that her sister was prob going to be K1's girlfriend and moved on.

I'm not buying this 'I'm trapped into this, pity me." stuff that was being portrayed. A part of her must have liked it for the demon to manifest and take control. She was a weak person in the end imo.

What was with K1?

Spoiler:

If someone is trying to kill you and gives you a warning not come near them, the last thing you do is go outside to meet them (unless it's with a baseball bat to end their misery. ). What an idiot!
The doll incident would have made him look even more of an idiot and definitely should have been left out imo.

Spoiler:

So, the prologue of this chapter did not get fully animated. Does that mean that it will be in the next chapter?

[SvenTheSweeper]

Originally Posted by frostfury

Can I ask when exactly did Shion say "Onee" in the cell? Because I've watched the episode time and time again and I still haven't heard it o.O

Could someone give me like the exact time she says it in the Wind Sub?

Originally Posted by orion

Yeah, I couldn't hear it either.

Sushi-Y mentioned that is was in the computer game, but they left it out of the anime. So you weren't missing any dialogue.

See below and click the spoiler tab for details on the "Onee" clue.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...85&postcount=5

[Ichy]

Oh my God!!! Mion is so evil!!!!

Spoiler for this torture is simple...:

I give this Episode a perfect 10, just great
*waits for some animated gifs*

[RMgX]

Now I havn't rewatched the episodes to confirm this but did anyone notice this with Oishi san

Spoiler for title:

Quite often after K1 starts seeing strange things he has been close to Oishi san smoking. He smokes in the car in the first arc and smokes in the hospital room in the second right before the zombie thing.
Since it seems some sort some sort of psycopharmaca is used in this series is it possible that Oishi is subjecting K1 to this through his smokes, if K1 has latent schizofrenia maybe it would be enough to serve as a trigger?
Of course speaking against this would be that Oishi would probably recieve a much larger dose, it is of course also possible that he is just a heavy smoker who can't control his habit.

Also, although Rena seems like such a nice girl in this part, could it be that she seems to have such amazing deduction because she is in on the whole thing and given information by someone.

[SvenTheSweeper]

Ackk!!, another epiode to feed the post-show Sister Swapping Speculation Syndrome. My eyes glazed over trying to read the different hypothesis up to episode 8. .

Well, I guess I'm a machoist , for reading it.

Show comments and questions(with screenshots borrowed from Sushi-Y, thanks)-

Spoiler:

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The confession scene was too short for my tastes. It didn't have the dramatic suspense I was hoping for. Mion (demon mode) confessed so willingly and easily to Rena and Keiichi.


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Yeah Rena!! For standing by and supporting Keiichi.


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Yukino Satsuki did a great voice acting job in the Sonozaki torture chamber/prison scene as Mion and Shion.

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The show raised a couple of questions:

1-Was Keiichi delusional or not? If all the bodies were in the welll, who was it that attacked Keiichi in the torture chamber, then stabbed him later on, and imprisoned Shion in the chamber?

One thing that is more certain to me, is that Shion was a victim in the Watanagashi arc. I also believe that after the festival in epsiode 5 we don't see the real Shion until the chamber scene in episode 8.

2-Why would Mion want to harm Rika? I rewatched episode 6-8, and I still couldn't get clear reason.

3-Why does Mion(demon-possessed or not) or Oyashiro need to kill people who either broke into the ritual storehouse or otherwise know about it? What does it ultimately accomplish in the modern world?

The only thing I learned is, Don't borrow soy sauce from your "friend".

[SpaceDrake]

A point of order question if I may.

Spoiler:

Did Rena die off-camera in this episode? We don't really see her after Kei is taken to the hospital for the first time, and "Kei's Attacker" in the knife-doll-stabby scene says "I've killed them all." I'm guessing this is talking about the club, but Rena isn't mentioned afterwards, alive or dead. Does the game mention this at all or are we simply supposed to assume she's alive?

[Cogwheim]

I noticed something about Shion's apartment...

Spoiler:

When Oishi and Kuma are covering up Shion's corpse after she jumped out of the window of her apartment, a bedroom as well as a kitchen are displayed. At the end of episode 6, when Shion is supposedly talking on the phone to K1 about the murders of Tomitake and Takano and warning him that the both of them are in danger, she is shown sitting on her bed--there is no picture of a city skyline hanging above her bed in Episode 6, but in Episode 8 after her corpse is found, a skewed picture of a city skyline is hanging above her bed.

Are these perhaps different bedrooms? Furthermore, Kuma says "We'll investigate this as both a suicide and a murder." Yet, the only corpse we see is Shion's, right? "Both a suicide and a murder" implies that two deaths had taken place that night, and yet, K1 didn't bite the dust. So...who was the other person that died?

[FubaredByAnime]

Originally Posted by SpaceDrake

A point of order question if I may.

Spoiler:

Did Rena die off-camera in this episode? We don't really see her after Kei is taken to the hospital for the first time, and "Kei's Attacker" in the knife-doll-stabby scene says "I've killed them all." I'm guessing this is talking about the club, but Rena isn't mentioned afterwards, alive or dead. Does the game mention this at all or are we simply supposed to assume she's alive?

Spoiler:

I believe we are supposed to be left with the impression that Rena "survived" the ordeal, just like Satoko and Rika survived the previous story arc. In terms of the statement "I've killed them all", I think it refers to those who were responsible for angering Oyashiro-sama. Can't speak for the game though.

[SvenTheSweeper]

Originally Posted by Cogwheim

Spoiler:

Furthermore, Kuma says "We'll investigate this as both a suicide and a murder." Yet, the only corpse we see is Shion's, right? "Both a suicide and a murder" implies that two deaths had taken place that night, and yet, K1 didn't bite the dust. So...who was the other person that died?

Spoiler:

He was referring to only one death, Shion's. Which will be investigated as a both a murder and a suicide, because they don't know which is the primary motive for her death.

[Deku Kirby]

Spoiler:

Maybe Shion and Mion switched a long time ago, because Mion didn't want the burden of being the heir. So Shion(acting as Mion) has the tattoo, but Mion(acting as Shion) is the real heir.

But I don't know what this would change.

[aliensporebomb]

Wow, with this episode I don't know what to think
but one of my suspicions was indeed correct.

Spoiler:

Is it mental illness, split personality?

OR:

Supernatural possession of at least one major
character, the demon wearing Mion's (or is it
Shion?) body like an average human would
wear a suit of clothes.

It seems there is a time when the demon
allows Mion some measure of control over
her own body (hence she wasn't able to
"hammer" his fingers despite apparently
wanting to). But not always ("up until
now I've been trying my hardest....")
WHAM.

What now for the demon if Mion and Shion
are both dead? No more Sonozaki family to
rule over the town. What now?

Demon = no actual body but apparently
enamored of killing and torture for its
own amusement. Uses bodies of various
humans to do its bidding.

Supernatural malevolent being who
apparently has been feeding off of this
town and its people for centuries.

Great. Not.

Torture devices for enforcing strict laws in
a particular town. Questionable. I suspect
some being/persons or both were really
enjoying their little rituals. Lots of blood lust
whether some were half-human/half-demon
or not.

Is it REALLY Mion or is it in fact Shion in a
demon-enforced (or mental illness) sisterly
role reversal? A third sister? The one that
appeared at the end some kind of apparition
with the ability to control solid objects?

We don't know.

And in the end, was that a hallucination from
Oishi's smoke or was it really her - well, she
used one nail with the hammer and since he
was in a bed and not strapped down he
theoretically could have leaped out of the
way despite being rather painful.

What a freaking mindblower this series is.

So, now the next one. Mindblowing all the way around.

It almost appears that the first four:

Spoiler:

Favored some kind of organized ring of killers using drugs.

And the next four:

Spoiler:

Seemed to favor the supernatural possession plot.

Will the next:

Spoiler:

Favor the mental illness tact?

Who knows but I can't wait!

[Midrange]

Originally Posted by RMgX

Now I havn't rewatched the episodes to confirm this but did anyone notice this with Oishi san

Spoiler for title:

Quite often after K1 starts seeing strange things he has been close to Oishi san smoking. He smokes in the car in the first arc and smokes in the hospital room in the second right before the zombie thing.
Since it seems some sort some sort of psycopharmaca is used in this series is it possible that Oishi is subjecting K1 to this through his smokes, if K1 has latent schizofrenia maybe it would be enough to serve as a trigger?
Of course speaking against this would be that Oishi would probably recieve a much larger dose, it is of course also possible that he is just a heavy smoker who can't control his habit.

I hadn't thought about that, but you got me thinking--

Spoiler:

if K1 and Shion went hallucinogenic self-mutilation crazy after Mion's supposed death, what did they have in common inside the cave before all the madness went down?

1. Mion
2. Blood, lots of blood

So perhaps whatever Mion had was transmissible through wounds?

I think that any further Mion after that incident was some hallucination or something supernatural: she's a whole lot less reasonable than she was when she was alive.

[MarmoO]

Spoiler:

With Watanagashi’s doll story I’m starting to believe Rena wanted to remind Keichi his promise about helping her in taking out KFC-dude when she was walking with machete. Also it is interesting she was afraid in first arc that she is going to be next one who will be “demoned away”, yet in second arc she assured Keichi she definitely won’t be gone.

Also two things from opening - Mion and Shion hold each other's finger in "promise gesture". Also the one who goes "ogre mode" is Shion there.

Wouldn't it be that the one who have gone into warehouse was in fact Mion, but she was also the one responsible for murders. (She said she heard something there, she said it was really loud. Wouldn't it be a trigger for her "second" personality's awakening. We don't know almost anything about her past, but probably she was forced somehow to perform most unthinkable acts from since she started to be a teenager, something like that would almost surely result in mental disease, like split personality. May it be she was used as a tool needed to perform those rituals, because people believed it must be done by Sonozaki's heir? (after ogre awakened for good her grudge against Shion about "incident" and her jelousy enlarged into white burning hate?) Rika also said a thing about cats and dogs. She called both Shion and Mion cats, I think because they both in fact are in similar situation. Most probably there are others who pull strings. There is so-called doctor and men in green who we didn’t see in this episode. Not to mention a thing with Takano. It looks like everything is running around dam accident and Satoshi, so I guess we will know something closer to the truth at best after Satoko's arc

[Scribble]

Small comment:

Wouldn't this be "K2" now, not K1? I thought K1 referred to the first arc's Keichi.

[Chibi Nasu]

I believe it's K1 because K="kei" and 1="ichi", hence K1="Keiichi."

Hmm... powerful episode, though I wish it could have been longer so that we could get a little bit more information from it. Needless to say, I'm utterly confused at the moment, and shall refrain from coming up with any theories of my own until I watch it again (even though, after watching the next arc, all theories I do come up with would possibly be void...)

[Scribble]

Originally Posted by Chibi Nasu

I believe it's K1 because K="kei" and 1="ichi", hence K1="Keiichi."

Oh, haha. Now you mention it...
My bad.

[SpaceDrake]

Heh, another question concerning the end of the episode.

Spoiler:

Is it meant to be inferred that Kei dies somehow, or does he end up just mutilated? I'm guessing the one wish is that she let Kei live. The screen just cuts to red once the nail goes in, so it's super unclear if Kei (finally) dies or is just fingerless afterward. (I'm assuming the game goes into slightly more detail.)

[Sakuya]

I thought this was going to be the most conclusive arc until about one minute before the end of the episode when Oishi gave more explanations that just screwed everything up again. I'm so confused now. I really hope they will include the answer chapters at the end!

Spoiler:

Keiichi is so stupid, why does he still believe in Mion?! Mion even warned him before. If Rena knows about Keiichi entering the storehouse, why wasn't Rena killed, too?

Keiichi reminds me a lot of Yuuji from Shakugan no Shana.

[Beyond the Shave]

The whole discussion of Oishi's cigarettes reminded me of something in the TIPS...

Spoiler:

In the final tip of this arc, Oishi hands the cigarettes over to some woman in the mahjong club.

Nothing is revealed about this woman, aside from the fact that she's old and that she owns the mahjong club. The only old woman would be... The leader of the Sonozaki family? It would also make sense since she owns the club, and the Sonozakis own most of the businesses in Hinamizawa.