[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 420 Discussion

[King Lycan]

I was really hoping to see
Ryuuken And Isshin Vs Ai-Chan :/

[akire_and_atem]

I think, [hope] that Kubo is going to take Ichigo's power's away to open up the possibility in the Hell Chapter (movie) something along the lines of:

"Ichigo, now powerless as a shinigami, must find a way to recover his powers in order to save xxx from Hell"

thus we have: Ichigo acquiring a temp power in hell (and lose it at the end of the movie as if nothing happened) and a lazy Kubo not drawing it on the manga itself

am I making any sense??? :/?

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by akire_and_atem

I think, [hope] that Kubo is going to take Ichigo's power's away to open up the possibility in the Hell Chapter (movie) something along the lines of:

"Ichigo, now powerless as a shinigami, must find a way to recover his powers in order to save xxx from Hell"

thus we have: Ichigo acquiring a temp power in hell (and lose it at the end of the movie as if nothing happened) and a lazy Kubo not drawing it on the manga itself

am I making any sense??? :/?

I have a feeling its not even going to be included in the movie that Ichigo gets a massive power-up, and hes just how he is now in the Anime.

[Ishe]

Originally Posted by Gin

Pretty sure Ai-chan said the Hogyoku gave them their powers.

Maybe the Hogyoku allowed them to gain powers from the reatsu that Ichigo was leaking all over the place.

Also, I wonder if Ichigo is actually saying that he will lose his powers, or that he will just no longer have the power of a shinigami, but will instead have the power of whatever the hell he is now.

[secretzfan]

Originally Posted by Ishe

Maybe the Hogyoku allowed them to gain powers from the reatsu that Ichigo was leaking all over the place.

The hoguoku had nothing to with that, but tit was found out that the hogyoku might have created the event in which Orhime, and Chad gained power

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Hooves

Yeah, Ishida was really useless without his powers, making him a walking stick to be pushed aside.

Ishida is useless even WITH his powers...
Giving his powers back has so far been nothing more than a way to waste time since he hasn't actually contributed anything... atleast not anything that he could not have easily been substituted for someone else...

Originally Posted by Ishe

Maybe the Hogyoku allowed them to gain powers from the reatsu that Ichigo was leaking all over the place.

Nope, the who leaking Reatsu thing was retconed out in favor of the MacGuffin

Originally Posted by secretzfan

The hoguoku had nothing to with that, but tit was found out that the hogyoku might have created the event in which Orhime, and Chad gained power

Aizen said that the magical macguffin has the power to make the hearts true desires real and that it awakened Chad and Orihime's powers out of their feelings of weakness and desire for strength... Why the powers took on the nature that they did(chad related to a hollow and Orihime the rejection of god) is something that kubo just handwave... frankly i might ask why Karin did not get any powers since she was even more spiritually aware than Chad, and was also put in desperate situations

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Ishida is useless even WITH his powers...
Giving his powers back has so far been nothing more than a way to waste time since he hasn't actually contributed anything... atleast not anything that he could not have easily been substituted for someone else...

Well... He sorta is helpless at the start, but he is a good "bug spray" as I may say . Ishida will grow strong in time, he was just weakened during the SS arc, that it became a burden to him.

[secretzfan]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Ishida is useless even WITH his powers...
Giving his powers back has so far been nothing more than a way to waste time since he hasn't actually contributed anything... atleast not anything that he could not have easily been substituted for someone else...

How dare you say Uryuu Ishida is useless. It is true he doesn't have much power but he has contributed in Bleach esspecailly durring the Ulqurra arc by deafeating Yammy a foe Ichigo didn't have time to beat

Originally Posted by Hooves

Well... He sorta is helpless at the start, but he is a good "bug spray" as I may say . Ishida will grow strong in time, he was just weakened during the SS arc, that it became a burden to him.

A bug spray what is that supposed to mean *Mad face*

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by secretzfan

A bug spray what is that supposed to mean *Mad face*

Umm.... Nothing mean about Ishida or anything... It was sorta just a repeat from what Ichigo said about Ishida.... Sorry if it was mean....

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by secretzfan

How dare you say Uryuu Ishida is useless. It is true he doesn't have much power but he has contributed in Bleach esspecailly durring the Ulqurra arc by deafeating Yammy a foe Ichigo didn't have time to beat

Like i said "atleast not anything that he could not have easily been substituted for someone else"
All he did was make a big plot hole... not even using his own powers i might add, but a mine that mayuri gave him... Renji could have done the same. Hell Chad aswell could have made such a hole with one punch... or maybe just punch him out of the tower, seeing as Yammy forgot that he could fly... I think Ruika also might have been able to make sucha whole by freezing the center of the tower; Yammy would break free, but the floors underneath him would have been destoryed

[Mr. DJ]

have we seen Yammy fly? I honestly don't remember...if not, then...if his awesome power of deduction is any indicator, I doubt he even knows how to fly.

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by DjTrizz

if Yammy's awesome power of deduction is any indicator, I doubt he even knows how to fly.

With the way he looked in the Anime, he could never fly even if he somehow sprouted wings... It just looks impossible to lift that massive body of his...

[Jehuty]

So, first Ishida, and now Ichigo?

Oh yeah, he needs to "lose" his powers completely so he can get training and go into a whole new level so we can start a new arc with the royal guards or something.

bah D:

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by Jehuty

So, first Ishida, and now Ichigo?

Oh yeah, he needs to "lose" his powers completely so he can get training and go into a whole new level so we can start a new arc with the royal guards or something.

bah D:

I doubt Ichigo even needed royal guards from the start He always seemed to keep himself alive from the very beginning of his adventure, to what we are at now. He will just struggle the same way like Ishida did.

[Mr. DJ]

Originally Posted by Jehuty

So, first Ishida, and now Ichigo?

Oh yeah, he needs to "lose" his powers completely so he can get training and go into a whole new level so we can start a new arc with the royal guards or something.

bah D:

noooooo.... first Isshin, then Ishida, now Ichigo

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by DjTrizz

have we seen Yammy fly? I honestly don't remember...if not, then...if his awesome power of deduction is any indicator, I doubt he even knows how to fly.

Pretty sure we saw Yammy flying, just like every other character can, when he was with Luppi and he got his ass kicked by urahara

Originally Posted by Hooves

With the way he looked in the Anime, he could never fly even if he somehow sprouted wings... It just looks impossible to lift that massive body of his...

Well he probably couldn't fly after his resurrection if that's what you mean...

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Well he probably couldn't fly after his resurrection you mean...

Yeah that is what I meant

[quigonkenny]

An outline of the next hundred chapters or so:

1. Ichigo unleashes FGT, WTFpwns Aizen.
2. Ichigo goes emo again in the aftermath as he realizes that he's now powerless, and never got to really reconcile with Hichigo, only to be interrupted by a half-dead Aizen starting to regenerate ("Just as planned...", etc, etc.).
3. Just as Aizen is about to kill Ichigo, everybody shows back up in a Big Damn Heroes moment and Aizen is Killed Off For Real, probably by somebody releasing a bankai we haven't yet seen. It's made abundantly clear that "we couldn't have done it without Ichigo blah blah".
4. Plot coupons from this arc are cashed in, no shinigami or vaizards died, the good/neutral Espada lived and come to an agreement with SS (all hail Queen Nel of HM and her good knight Sir Stark). Gin disappears with Matsumoto. Rukia escorts the humans (and quincy) back to K-Town, since there's NO WAY to bring back his powers. DEFINITELY NO WAY.
5. Ichigo emos some more about being "normal", so Rukia mercifully ends our his suffering by wiping his memories of being a shinigami.
6. Back at school we see that the shinigami have been busy wiping memories, as no one remembers any of the weird stuff, although Ichigo, Orihime, and Chad all have the typical "almost remember moments" that always seem to happen with memory wipes.
7. Ishida of course remembers, and is playing along with Rukia, as a scene with them and Isshin at a deserted Urahara Shop establishes, before Rukia's tearful farewell (tearful for her, at least, as Ishida is as cold as ever).
8. Time passes (insert boring but short "Slice of Life" arc). *cough*time skip*cough*
9. Ichigo gets a visitor one night as an injured Mayuri shows up in his bedroom and lets him wake up just long enough to be freaked out by the bloody face-painted pervert before being knocked out again.
10. Ichigo wakes up out in the desert (actually in the training room under Urahara Shop) to find that he, Orihime, and Chad have all been kidnapped, with the latter two's memories recovered (except Orihime remembered all along--what a tweest!). A few other second-tier shinigami are there as well (including at least one current Lt. in captain's whites), all of whom are looking somewhat worse for wear.
11. SS needs Ichigo again but he has no idea who anyone other than Orhime and Chad are. So just as he's telling them all to kindly f**k off, he gets a jolt of recognition when Mayuri or someone else mentions Rukia offhand, and eventually decides to help them (he is a shounen hero, powered or not).
12. None of Mayuri's grotesque and humorous methods of recovering Ichigo's memory seem to work (including at least one involving Nemu degradation fanservice), so Orihime suggests using her power to bring back his memories. Mayuri just about soils himself at the opportunity to "study" her ability up close and readily agrees.
13. She does her thing, and as everyone and their grandmother sees coming a mile and a half off, not only does Ichigo get his memory back, but his mojo as well (yeah, baby...).
14. A still-somewhat-underpowered Ichigo reforms Tessaiga Zangetsu (2nd form) and asks what happened to everybody. Unsurprisingly, it is revealed that there is a problem in the King's Realm, as a dying Squad 0 member who escaped managed to tell them. Shortly after, the gate to King's Realm opened from the other side, and bad guys started pouring out. Hougyoku-enhanced bad guys.
15. Tite Kubo is assassinated. ...And there was much rejoicing...

Originally Posted by secretzfan

How dare you say Uryuu Ishida is useless. It is true he doesn't have much power but he has contributed in Bleach esspecailly durring the Ulqurra arc by deafeating Yammy a foe Ichigo didn't have time to beat

A bug spray what is that supposed to mean *Mad face*

LOLfangirling... Calm down, secretz, even you can't deny that Kubo's given Ishida literally nothing to do this arc that has anything intrinsic to do with his character. He's been straight man to Renji and (along with Renji) to Nel's fracciones, a generic not-as-badass-as-Ichigo ally (along with Chad and Renji), and helped out alongside everyone else against Yammy and the Exequias. The only thing setting him apart has been his quincy abilities, and even then, Kubo gave him a sword to blunt even that difference.

If you want to get mad, get mad at Kubo for nerfing the character, not us for pointing it out.

[Mr. DJ]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Pretty sure we saw Yammy flying, just like every other character can, when he was with Luppi and he got his ass kicked by urahara.

oh yeah...now I remember

[Frenchie]

I hate how Ishida never lived up to that 'Ichigo's rival' thing. And I would have liked him to grow some balls and listen to his father. (Ie not getting involved in Hueco Mondo.) Only to appear, flanked by his dad, when Aizen came into town. I don't care if they were beaten, that would have been seriously more awesome. And make him out to be something more than just Ichigo's bitch.

And would have given Renji a bit more purpose in HM.