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2013-01-10, 03:50 | Link #9182 |
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If it's her, I think she would actually prioritise paying Hayate's debt off first before hers in this particular case. That or work even harder. I'm not saying it's the smartest thing to do, but it's awfully straightforward, like her.
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2013-01-10, 08:05 | Link #9183 |
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Hold on a minute. Something doesn't make sense to me. Ruka wants to give hayate 150m in Yen but she has her own debt she hasn't even finished paying off yet. Tell me exactly, how would she get that much money? Doesn't all of her pay or at least a large chunk of it go straight to the person she owes? And assuming she has enough money to pay for Hayate's debt, why is she still in debt..?
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2013-01-11, 00:34 | Link #9185 | ||
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It's also a logical fallacy to assume that Ruka can do it easily simply because she is an idol. Idols are not multi-billionaire celebrities on the same calibur as solo artists like Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, etc. In Korea and Japan, they're a dime a dozen that have to answer to the agencies that manage them as well as all the middlemen such as the record companies. Idols may make more than the average salarymen, but they're not as rich as you think. Quote:
This is not something where you can claim one of them moral superiority. And FYI, considering Hayate is obligated to stay with Nagi because of the debt, regardless of his personal feelings of compassion or loyality, Ruka telling Nagi to pardon the debt or give it away does in fact imply giving up on Hayate (at least to Nagi). --- On a side note, apparently Hata released a (non-h) doujin named Sore ga Seiyuu! EX for Comiket 83. |
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2013-01-11, 00:45 | Link #9186 | |
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It's not like when Isumi (or Nagi) did it. Isumi can do it out of petty cash. Ruka can't. So Nagi's giving her more of a fighting chance than she needs to. She could refuse to sell the debt at any price. She could insist of Ruka coming up with the money somehow. Instead she's giving Ruka an opportunity to win the necessary money with a contest that most people would think Ruka's overwhelmingly more likely to win. Not to mention, she forced Hayate out of his denial regarding Ruka's feelings. |
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2013-01-11, 03:20 | Link #9187 | |||
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And nobody is saying Ruka will do it easily. However, in the manga, the characters themselves comment that Ruka CAN pay off her debt if she works hard enough; either as an idol or mangaka. Quote:
And FYI , I never said Nagi couldn't refuse to hand over the debt to Ruka. I found her saying 'if you lose, give up on Hayate' to be the WTF portion of the bet. Quote:
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2013-01-11, 06:44 | Link #9188 | |
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Just so we're all clear here, Nagi does in fact have money like that to give away, right? or is she just going to forgive Hayates debt? |
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2013-01-11, 14:01 | Link #9189 |
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Does Nagi still have money like that to give away? IIRC, she had 20million yen left for buying the apartment and she never really gained any more substantial amounts of money from that.
And it's not really clear on the bet. Ruka says she will take on Hayate's debt if she wins while Nagi says there's 150million riding on the bet, which doesn't preclude the scenario that Ruka's betting terms are to transfer the debt over to her.
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2013-01-11, 15:34 | Link #9191 | |
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And once again, you don't seem to understand that Ruka also implied Nagi should give on Hayate as well. Neither girl is being "nicer" than the other about it. |
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2013-01-12, 02:58 | Link #9192 |
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Nice words you're using there, like 'provoked'. I somehow suspect you just don't like Ruka. And when did Ruka imply Nagi give up on Hayate? Nagi feels so because deep down, she feels Hayate is with her for the debt, but there's no indication Ruka feels so.
And state the negative consequences for Hayate if Ruka wins her bet
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2013-01-15, 01:24 | Link #9193 | |
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But that's not the point. The point is that I don't see why you feel to blow Nagi's actions to be some sin when it's clear that Hata is pushing these two girls against each other to compete for their feelings. Whatever morals you want to push onto others while on top of your slanted pedestal was never important. I merely played the devil's advocate to present the notion that what Ruka is doing is not ideal to others either, and you became defensive, bringing something as irrelevant as personal opinion that has nothing to do with what happened in the story. Once again, neither Nagi nor Ruka bear any hostility toward each other. You apparently know Ruka so well, but remember that Nagi is the one who told Hayate to take Ruka's feelings seriously and encouraged him to help out Ruka, her opponent. Then there was the manga arc where it's clear that they are friends and how Nagi greatly respects her. Neither one of them was thinking about how they could hurt each other. The point was that they just want to take (or keep) the man they love. The fact that you believe if one of the two girls will allow some indecisive double dipping when the entire goal of this silly competition is to reach a decisive conclusion to the romance appears more hypocritical to me than what either of the two girls had said or done. |
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2013-01-15, 04:02 | Link #9194 |
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Can we talk about Fumi and Sharna some more? I mean, there was a new chapter out...
FYI, "The men of Akiba are quick to call people sluts" made me laugh so hard. Hata, the otaku who do that are probably your audience... |
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