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Raiga · 2009-10-05, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Tamad

Yeah the animation is cheap, but it's not like it's downright bad to the point where you vomit where you look at it.

Personally, I'm usually really forgiving on animation when it comes to comedy series that don't really need stellar animation. I actually didn't even notice anything wrong with the animation quality while I was watching. It seemed about right for the type of show it was.

SuperKnuckles · 2009-10-05, 12:57

At least it's better than Bakemonogatari in stretches m i rite

Raiga · 2009-10-05, 13:01

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Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

At least it's better than Bakemonogatari in stretches m i rite

Well, flat-out unfinished scenes are a bit more obvious than pre-planned shortcuts... since in the former there's supposed to be movement where there isn't, whereas in the latter they deliberately structure the scene to not need much movement. The goofs in Bake definitely stood out more, but I think overall it has better animation quality.

Tyabann · 2009-10-05, 13:09

I'm almost always confused about complaints about "Bad Animation" and I'm still confused here.

How should this impact enjoyment at all? Do you people enjoy watching anime freeze-framed?

apr · 2009-10-05, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I'm almost always confused about complaints about "Bad Animation" and I'm still confused here.

How should this impact enjoyment at all? Do you people enjoy watching anime freeze-framed?

Personally I'm mostly thinking of scenes like this one:

See her hands? 20 second long scene, hard to ignore.

Wrath88 · 2009-10-05, 13:21

I agree about not needing stellar animation to appreciate this series. Can't believe I didnt' even notice the locker expansion until I saw the pictures.

Master Assassin · 2009-10-05, 13:33

Heh, I'm too busy laughing at this show to actually give a damn.

But Akikan! was unfunny.

Ice Block · 2009-10-05, 13:41

Hm? And here I thought people have learned to not expect awesome animation and design quality from DEEN...

Solid 8/10. Surprisingly enjoyable. Pretty good start. Picking this up to take over Hayate/SZS's random gag/comedy series spot. Though I worry how they kept this up over several novels... well, if SZS could last this long (and got even more coming?), I see no reason for this to struggle for ~12 eps. And speaking of SZS, perhaps the guys at DEEN should take some pointers on time/budget cutting from SHAFT.

Guardian Enzo · 2009-10-05, 14:54

I did LOL several times, which not every comedy can make me do. It was a bit scattershot, hit and miss - and the insider humor was just a bit too forced for me. I prefer something like Kannagi, where it's a more natual outflow of the story. Still - at times this was awfully funny and it certainly showed me enough to bring me back next week.

bayoab · 2009-10-05, 15:38

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Originally Posted by -Sho-

Why the animations should be great to make a good anime ?
You can make a great anime without great animation .

While you don't need great animation, the same old generic, flat, boring stuff will never pass.

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Originally Posted by Tamad

I'm going to use Lucky Star as an example again... if I judged the series based off of them talking about chocolate cornets for the majority of the episode, then yeah I would have definitely been feel the same way as you do about Setokai right now.

A lot of people judged LS based on the 8 minutes of food discussion. A lot of people are going to judge this show the same way.

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Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

I don't get you. They were exploiting the stereotypical aspects of the situation ALL episode.

The stereotypes were taken completely seriously. They didn't really throw any monkey wrenches, just wandered down the same well trodden paths for the gags. The characters acted exactly like their stereotypes instead of trying to warp the stereotype in some way. The latter here is what I mean by exploiting them.

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Studio Deen always has been a 'cheap' animation studio. That is nothing to gripe about especially now. Also, especially if it's a comedy anime. And what's wrong with Deen making comedies? I think they were spreading itself thin by trying to make epics and other serious stuff way too much.

Yes, Studio Deen's has been cheap all the time recently, but this show looks like it's already in the "we barely have any budget left" mode. When it actually goes into "We have no budget left" mode, it's going to be QUALITY++. I fully expect something like Higurashi OVA 4's 14 min of no animation to happen. Just pans, still images, scenery, and other random ways to pass time cheaply.

The objection is more to Deen making reference shows than comedies. Reference shows require attention to detail, something Deen fails at unless they really try. Companies that excel at making reference shows: SynergySP, SHAFT, JC Staff (only when they give a damn and try), and to a lesser extent Kyoani, Sunrise, and the companies that did Genshiken.

Proto · 2009-10-05, 17:47

/me during the 1st minute: ahahahahahaha, oh lol, a Marimite joke now, *ahahahahaha*
*20 minutes later*
ahahahahahha *faints because of lack of oxygen*

I just came to myself a little while before. I just lost track of myself after the CLANNAD joke. Ahaha.

This series has the Proto seal of approval, for whatever that counts.

*giggle*

Tyabann · 2009-10-05, 19:58

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Originally Posted by bayoab

*snip*

Expecting a little much, are we?

mikoo · 2009-10-05, 20:18

Freebies

Tamad · 2009-10-05, 20:44

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Originally Posted by mikoo

Freebies

Claiming the second for here and the first for another forum.

Jze0 · 2009-10-05, 21:07

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Originally Posted by mikoo

Claiming this one please...

suguru · 2009-10-05, 22:00

First episode wasn't a home run for me, but it wasn't bad either - the references to other series made me laugh (castanets especially) and while the animation wasn't great, I think as long as it doesn't drop off it's acceptable for a comedy. I'm hoping in later episodes they don't spend as much time in the club room though (although I understand in the source material that's where everything happens). I remember the cast of Maico 2010 managed to spend 24 episodes in one room, but I can't think of any other anime series that's even tried that. I guess it's one way to save on budget since the background's always the same, but it'd be nice to see them take a trip somewhere (wouldn't complain about a beach or onsen episode, seems like they could have a lot of fun with referring to other things like Fumoffu's epic onsen battle).

billborden · 2009-10-05, 22:11

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Originally Posted by apr

Personally I'm mostly thinking of scenes like this one:

***Image Snip***

See her hands? 20 second long scene, hard to ignore.

This seems to be pretty much the definition of not seeing the forest for the trees.

In the end, I think this is going to end up a lot like K-On; a lot of b******g about the animation for the first episode or two--then those people will go away, and everyone who stays will start talking about the actual show.

Xacual · 2009-10-05, 22:13

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Originally Posted by mikoo

Freebies

Taking this thanks!

Proto · 2009-10-05, 22:15

You know? I hope that they do spend the whole series in one room. It would be quite an original and refreshing quirk if they pull it well, as it would be reminiscing of a play made anime style... dunno, the whole idea appeals to me a lot. It would make for a lot of real life related skits as well.

billborden · 2009-10-05, 22:19

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Originally Posted by mikoo

Freebies

I haven't changed Avatars for two years, but I love this one--do you mind?

2009-10-05, 13:21	Link #146
Wrath88 Kissing... Join Date: Dec 2005	I agree about not needing stellar animation to appreciate this series. Can't believe I didnt' even notice the locker expansion until I saw the pictures. __________________ Okairii, Nerine-chan

2009-10-05, 13:33	Link #147
Master Assassin Portable Dude Mk. II Artist Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: All ghillied up spying on someone ~2,000 yards away using telescope sights. Age: 35	Heh, I'm too busy laughing at this show to actually give a damn. But Akikan! was unfunny. __________________ I like to run portable on my dude, so I ran while running runs in my portably portable, dude-like dude. --- This line over here is a placeholder. ----

2009-10-05, 13:41	Link #148
Ice Block less qq; more pewpew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Philippines	Hm? And here I thought people have learned to not expect awesome animation and design quality from DEEN... Solid 8/10. Surprisingly enjoyable. Pretty good start. Picking this up to take over Hayate/SZS's random gag/comedy series spot. Though I worry how they kept this up over several novels... well, if SZS could last this long (and got even more coming?), I see no reason for this to struggle for ~12 eps. And speaking of SZS, perhaps the guys at DEEN should take some pointers on time/budget cutting from SHAFT. __________________

2009-10-05, 17:47	Link #151
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	/me during the 1st minute: ahahahahahaha, oh lol, a Marimite joke now, ahahahahaha 20 minutes later ahahahahahha faints because of lack of oxygen I just came to myself a little while before. I just lost track of myself after the CLANNAD joke. Ahaha. This series has the Proto seal of approval, for whatever that counts. giggle __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2009-10-05, 22:15	Link #159
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	You know? I hope that they do spend the whole series in one room. It would be quite an original and refreshing quirk if they pull it well, as it would be reminiscing of a play made anime style... dunno, the whole idea appeals to me a lot. It would make for a lot of real life related skits as well. __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2009-10-05, 12:57	Link #142
SuperKnuckles Anime Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004	At least it's better than Bakemonogatari in stretches m i rite

2009-10-05, 13:09	Link #144
Tyabann Homo Ludens Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Age: 34	I'm almost always confused about complaints about "Bad Animation" and I'm still confused here. How should this impact enjoyment at all? Do you people enjoy watching anime freeze-framed?

2009-10-05, 20:18	Link #153
mikoo Banned Join Date: Aug 2007	Freebies

2009-10-05, 22:00	Link #156
suguru 京都 ikitai~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: massugu	First episode wasn't a home run for me, but it wasn't bad either - the references to other series made me laugh (castanets especially) and while the animation wasn't great, I think as long as it doesn't drop off it's acceptable for a comedy. I'm hoping in later episodes they don't spend as much time in the club room though (although I understand in the source material that's where everything happens). I remember the cast of Maico 2010 managed to spend 24 episodes in one room, but I can't think of any other anime series that's even tried that. I guess it's one way to save on budget since the background's always the same, but it'd be nice to see them take a trip somewhere (wouldn't complain about a beach or onsen episode, seems like they could have a lot of fun with referring to other things like Fumoffu's epic onsen battle).