2009-07-20, 18:05 | Link #561 |
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So sorry to just suddenly change topic but does ne one know what Kubo wants for Isshin??Sounds weird but the point I'm trying to make is that if we wanted to know more about the character we have to know more about the writer, take for example Kubo wanted Isshin to be a mortician at first because he looked better in black.... wait that makes no sense ?_? But that's the way Kubo thinks (that's not an insult, just a fact that he is an artist)
So if you were Kubo where would you go from there ?? Is Isshin a former Master of deception thats why everyone thinks hes an idiot (even his children think so for goodness sake) ... actually Isshin is a Master of Deception!! Is he a former assassin like Soi Fon?? .. NO he's too funny XD .... or is he O.o Does Kubo even take him as serious as we do or is Isshin just another sub character the truth hurts..... :P please don't bash me but that's my take on it ^^ ACK DONT HIT ME :'(
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And even assuming all that, it wouldn't explain why Shinji didn't recognize Isshin's reiatsu, seeing as how that explanation means they were both captains during the same period. Quote:
There's a lot of theories floating around: Royal Guard, former captain of the 11th, fallen member of the Shiba Clan, member of the royal family, King of Soul Society itself... Whatever his past is, he's probably going to be key to Ichigo's development. I see him mentoring Ichigo at some point, similar to Ryuuken training Ishida.
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what i find interesting is his relaitionship with ishidas dad, urahara and the vizard.
He seems unaware of the vizards true history, which begs the question why hasnt urahara informed him? and how come hes ok with urahara but seems anti vizard? does he not know uraharas involvement in the whole scenario and why not? also interesting that he has a relaiionship with a quincy, is it not a taboo to him? if so how did this come about? as far as his strenght its prty obv hes captain level *see ishin vs grand fisher also hes aware of aizen and arrancar having encountered them 10 yrs prior to ch1/ep1, despite leaving ss 20 yrs prior to ch1/ep1, how and why did this exactly come about? seeing his awareness of aizen suggests that aizen was involved in his leaving SS. Last edited by SMASHERJACKSON; 2009-07-21 at 11:11. |
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1) There are things such as naturally occurring Arrancar and it is a possibility that Isshin was on a mission to observe things of that sort and then got stuck in the real world somehow..... see previous posts one of them explains it nicely 2) He is extremely well informed on the happenings in Soul Society but as far as he knows is that Aizen has got his hands on the Hougykou and wants to use it on hollow to make a hollow army to wipe out Soul Society etc. so this really doesn't say that he knows Aizen personally ... catch my drift 3) I highly doubt that Aizen helped him with leaving Soul Society mostly because I really don't see how Isshin leaving Soul Society could help with Aizen's master plan its just not connecting....
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How come Rukia never noticed that Isshin was a Shinigami before ?_? Is he that able to control his reiatsu (so not IchigoXD) or is it a special gigai ???
I didn't mean to double post !!! Slip of the fingers!!
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it's unclear maybe both or something else all to geather.
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2009-07-29, 10:47 | Link #569 |
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Just adding my two cents Unohana is addressed Dai Sempai by Uki/Shun . Dai Sempai means first student under Sensei . Not going too deep into that but basically means Unohana too is somewhere around 2000+ in age .
So for Isshin to be the Taicho of 4th Div he has to be over 1500-1600 years . That is giving Unohana 500-600 <extreme> year window to become taicho
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I'm 99% sure that Isshin was the Captain of the 10th Squad. Before Hitsugaya.
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Byakuya actually never said who Ichigo was similar to. All Byakuya said was that he was similar to the one whose ferocity he found distasteful. It also showed in the manga a picture of a person similar looking to Ichigo(almost the split image of him) except with black hair. The only two that anyone knows that fits the description or could have come close was Kaien and Isshin himself(Isshin obviously could be because of genes.) When I went back and looked at Kaien's pic from Rukia's memory and compared it to Byakuya's memory in the manga, they do look similar but they do have some differences as well. I believe that Byakuya was actually remembering a younger Isshin. Sons do sometimes grow up to look like their fathers after all. If Isshin's personality was also like Ichigo's back then (which is possible as well) then it would all fit as also around Byakuya's time when he was younger and before Rukia's time most likely as well. |
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The thing is we never saw Isshin in Pendulum. And since Isshin was already revealed before that, there was no reason to leave him out. Also, I don't know about translation errors, but from what I read in the manga and seen in the anime Byakuya said "No relation. At least not to the one who crossed your mind just now.", meaning either Byakuya just doesn't know or doesn't want to admit it or it's not the case.
Also, I have my doubts against Kubo giving a hint towards something that would be revealed only much later on. |
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While more plusable then being the captain that Kenpachi beat you still run into many of the same problems. first the 10'th captain had died shortly before TBtP it's unlikely that he wasnt replaced durring the 9 year time skip in the arc so Shinji should have known who Isshin was if he was the captian of the 10th 100 years ago. Now if some how the replacement for the dead 10th captain isn't the one Shiro took over for(and if thats the case captains are droping like flies) and Shiro took over for Isshin you run into why isn't Rukia able to ID him.
Basicly Isshin can't be anyone of note in SS for over the last 50 years or Rukia would be able to ID him. He also can't anyone of note while shinji was a captain for the same reason. So either Isshin came out of nowhere made captain level then left in the span of about 50 years or he predates Shinji
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Isshin adopted Kurosaki from Ichigo's mother. So we can't say Shinji or anybody in SS from that Era doesn't know Ichigo's father, Kisuke and Yoruichi seems to be familiar with him. |
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2009-07-30, 19:47 | Link #579 |
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Yeah, I also think that if any from the current SS crew knew him, it would be Yamamoto, Unohana, Shunsui and Ukitake (and Yoruichi).
It's also likely, that he changed his name, because the name Kurosaki didn't ring a bell to anybody before. But it's a bit strange that Shinji couldn't identify his reiatsu whereas Urahara knows him and Masaki. |
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I was not refering to his name. Shinji ID's his reiatsu as being a very powerful shinigami but he can't place who it is. Anyone vc level or higher durring tbtp should be known to Shinji. He also seems very up to date on current events in SS to the point I would not be suprtized if he could ID all the current captains realy there are only 2 that he was unlikely to hve met Shiro who has only been a shinigami for less then 50 years and Komamura who was part of the guards back then but was also a recluse.
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