2009-12-31, 11:46 | Link #1821 |
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Why is this such a big deal? These people call Medaka friend sans Shiranui and Medaka calls them friends. All friendships aren't the same and especially in shounen manga where one significant event can make characters in this demographic buddies for a lifetime. It most certainly happens when it involves going up against opposing forces and saving/protecting people. Get that "No True Scotsman" BS out of here.
But of course since the Medaka hatred runs strong its a perfect chance to vilify her. Downplaying any of the good things she has said and done while making her seem like a massive bitch. Pretty much par for the course for some people. -_____- |
2009-12-31, 16:16 | Link #1822 | |||||
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She used a cute face and a sweet voice, didn't she? You asked for proof and you got it. Regardless if he looked at her or didn't... motivated him or not... it's still remains a way to manipulate Zen and she knows that it works on him. Quote:
She clearly cannot dominate in this situation because she knows she can't handle animals and couldn't stand it that Zen asks Shiranui (a outsider) for help. Therefore she tried again to handle the case despite knowing in the past that each animal couldn't stand her and that failure was likely guaranteed if she approached the dog. Thus she went instead of Zen and Shiranui. Quote:
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2009-12-31, 16:57 | Link #1823 | |||||
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Absolutely nothing, which was the point I was making. >_>
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I feel like your definition of dominate is a little loose, but whatever. I guess I'll accept that example, since you seem to be trying so hard . . . Quote:
Zen doesn't try to get close with other girls. I'd say, front what we've seen, he's closest to Medaka, then Shiranui, then I guess Kikaijima, in that order. Kikaijima, and any other girl, aren't a threat to Medaka and Zen. Shiranui is because she likes him and he likes her. There's a possibility that Zen and Medaka could start hanging out less, and Zen and Shiranui would hang out more if Medaka gave them the chance and Shiranui made the move. Last edited by DJ Trouble; 2009-12-31 at 17:08. |
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2009-12-31, 18:09 | Link #1824 |
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I answered in the sentence that followed this. Specially just for you i repeat it:
"she acts on those words - she indeed messes with other people and acts as a tyrant, while on the other hand her being a friend - is very questionable since I have not seen her being a true friend - just willing to fight all fights and calls herself a friend which is a very weak argument for being a friend you know." Last edited by White Manju Bun; 2010-01-03 at 18:34. Reason: how bout no |
2009-12-31, 19:32 | Link #1825 |
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Even though I thought you were saying something different, I don't have much to add. Jetstorm already expressed my thoughts about it.
That's a fact. You say Medaka isn't a friend and I say she is. Between the two of us I think I'm right and you're wrong about this, but I really don't feel a need or desire to try to convince you or even discuss this any further . . . Last edited by White Manju Bun; 2010-01-04 at 10:05. |
2009-12-31, 20:52 | Link #1826 |
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I find it hilarious that Shiranui has been brought up yet there is no mob out to try and claim that she and Zenkichi aren't friends.
Shiranui is willing to let Zenkichi get mauled but do nothing about it. In fact, she derives pleasure from seeing Zenkichi in pain and doesn't bother to help him. Shiranui deserts Zenkichi when shit looks dangerous and normally makes it worse for him when shit hits the fan. Despite all this Zenkichi does not give a damn and they are both friends. As awesome as Shiranui is, these are easily worse things than people claim Medaka has done but no one else is bothering to bring this up. Point is that regardless of if you hate or love these characters, saying they aren't friends due to whatever preference you have is ridiculous. All friendships aren't the same and all people aren't the same. If people really want to nitpick over something so asinine, the only true friend Zenkichi probably has is Kikaijima. Oh look, No True Scotsman strikes again. |
2009-12-31, 22:10 | Link #1827 |
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Well Shiranui doesn't seem to be the kind of character that would come to your call if you were screaming for help. Well she might, only to record it with a camera... Any way, I thought we were discussing Medaka getting mad at Zenkichi and Shiranui's interaction with each other.
Where did the whole, friendship thing come into play? Isn't bringing friendship into the conversation going a little to far? |
2010-01-01, 08:15 | Link #1828 | |
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Both Medaka and Shiranui likes to manipulate people. The difference is Medaka is hypocrite, Shiranui is not. Best interpretation for Medaka is that she doesn't know what is love and friendship. She just copy behavior of other people, claim to love everyone, while she doesn't love anyone but want to be loved. It also means she is manipulating everyone to love her, because she don't understand that forced love is not a true love. It makes her a hypocrite even if she has good intentions (I'm starting to doubt in her good intentions).
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2010-01-01, 15:42 | Link #1829 |
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Woah! Zenkichi is actaully going to fight? This is kind of exiticing, didn't expect this to happen anytime soon. I really hope he puts up a good fight... this is the first time in a while that I felt eager for the next chapter.
Edit: Just realized, doesn't Jump have a week or two off? If thats the case the wait is going to be longer.
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2010-01-05, 13:45 | Link #1830 | |
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2010-01-09, 02:51 | Link #1831 |
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I saw the 33 raw....we sure thats medaka's brother? he groped the crap out of her...
The kenjutsu boy in conjunction with this art style makes me want to read kenshin. Zen actually going to fight...very interesting indeed..will he answer our prayers and assert himself as main character? You know one the subject of main character VS protagonist whats going on reminds me of Spoiler for VG spoiler:
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2010-01-09, 08:56 | Link #1832 | |
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2010-01-10, 12:20 | Link #1834 |
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Issue 7 Bottom 5
Medaka Kanata Rilenthal Neko Wappa Ane Dokii (out) Issue 8 Lead CP: Psyren CP: Nurarihyon, Beelzebub, Medaka So it seems that Ane-doki is gone, and Medaka Box is getting a colour page, pretty neat eh? It sounds like Medaka Box might be sticking around for a longer time than people originally assumed, probably to the dismay of some people |
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I'll say she knows what those kinds of feelings are in the text book sense of the words but she has a harder time grasping them in their entirety. Still doesn't change the fact that she she is friend's with Zenkichi whether people want to believe it or not. She may be a hypocrite with good intentions in regards to some things but her friendship with Zenkichi isn't one of them. I won't be carrying on this conversation beyond this post. Feels absolutely pointless to do so for this topic. Quote:
I was thinking about how much I wanted a new color page. The last one was for the required chapter 2 color. Medaka continues to mirror Sket Dance, Psyren, and Mago in that it keeps having other series that do worse than it to cover for it. Only in this case, it is also like Mago in that the volume sales will keep growing at a fast rate. |
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2010-01-10, 23:06 | Link #1837 |
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Seeing as how you can look at Medaka's color page as a reward for good sales (vol 1 has also sold over 100,000 for Medaka) the axing of Ane Doki is pretty dumb, considering it was the best selling first volume of the 2009 WSJ mangas. It's not like Kanata, Rilenthal, Neko Wappa and Shingami are going to sell anywhere near as much as Ane Doki.. and they're going to be bottom 5 dwellers as well.
Seems Jump are going to stick with Medaka, it was shown off in that Winter special along with the other hit jump series. Mago is their next big series and it started off as bad as Medaka did... |
2010-01-10, 23:09 | Link #1838 |
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It is not about just sales or ratings I guess, but also authors name. Kawashita despite being respected as an artist, has very little authority in WSJ simply because she has infamously high bad/unsuccessful stories production rate (most of her tittles get cut). On the other hand Nisio is riding his wave of popularity as an Bakemonogatari author and one of the best Light Novel authors of the present. So I guess they are more careful at handling his tittle than the one of Kawashita's who keeps producing not particularly successful tittles one after another (except for Ichigo 100%).
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2010-01-11, 06:04 | Link #1839 | |
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2010-01-13, 16:45 | Link #1840 |
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So Medakaīs not getting the axe? I hope the mangakaīll find a way to introduce more comedy in chapters to come, like it used to in the beginning, i donīt mind all the wannabe fighting and how medaka owns their asses, bring back some classics and itīll develop somehow
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