2010-08-27, 06:15 | Link #301 | |
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Rainbowman why did you put Robin having King's haki as a definite I don't find anything intimidating about her and neither do most other people in the manga, she is quite insecure and afraid, something that isn't in most leaders and I doubt would be in someone with King's haki. Common themes associated with people with king's haki: Charismatic, intimidating, strong, leadership abilities. I'm guessing Garp and Dragon will also be users of king's haki, since angry Garp is the most intimidating thing next to an angry minotaur and dragon hybrid. I would laugh if Buggy becomes the next Shichibukai or Supernova.
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2010-08-27, 19:03 | Link #307 |
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As far as what crew member will get what kind of haki, my thoughts are:
Luffy- all 3, Rayleigh will see to that. Zoro- He has already shown traces of mantra, but he will need the armor type to protect his nakama. I don't think he will get the conqueror's color, his willingness to subjugate himself to Mihawk shows me that he doesn't have a conqueror's ambition. Sanji- armor type, no real reasoning behind this, other than the fact that he will need it in the new world. Nami- Mantra, being able to predict things would make her an even better navigator than she is now. I also think she might have conqueror's since she seems very adept at manipulating people. Robin- I don't see her learning any haki, armor type would make her too hax, but maybe she will get mantra just to be a little stronger for the new world. Franky- None, he should be getting more than enough new fire power when he finishes upgrading himself in Vegapunk's lab. Usopp- I don't think he will learn more than one type and i'm leaning towards the armor type since he's training with Hercules(un) and we've already seen the damage haki imbued projectiles do. I think mantra would be another good choice for him though since it would let him predict his targets' movements which would improve his overall accuracy. Brooke- Conqueror's, I think it would go well with his music. He could be like the pied piper. Chopper- Maybe mantra?
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2010-08-27, 19:53 | Link #308 | |
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Luffy and Zoro's willingness to take pain just to protect their friends I mean Luffy and Zoro can really take pain especially Zoro I'm surprised he beat those baboons with those injuries, is a trait that a lot of leaders have. I'm sure Roger would rather die if it would save his crew, IIRC he laid waste to someone's fleet for insulting his friends
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The mantra type does sound like a good choice for Chopper as well as the armor type for going against Devil Fruit users. There may a possibility he could use the conqueror type haki in his monster form, but that's just me. |
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2010-08-30, 20:38 | Link #313 | |
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Funny you should mention this, because in recent years Araki kind of retconned Hamon (or ripple, whichever you prefer) by implying that it might have been a sort of Stand power. If you put that into consideration, then yeah, you could say that those two Stands may represent those forms of Haki. Still, you have to wonder which type of Haki would fit any of the more obtuse Stand powers like Crazy Diamond, Pearl Jam, Gold Experience (not Requiem), Superfly, Cheap Trick, D4C, and.... hell, just about every Stand from Stone Ocean? Anyway, there's something I've been rather curious about..... since Haki has officially been established to literally be "will" power, I wonder if this means that we'll see an "empty" type of Haki appear at some point? To be more specific, I'm talking about a type of Haki that carries no "feeling" behind it, which would make it harder to fight against, due to a lack of "presence". To use an example from a different manga, I'll reference Lone Wolf and Cub, where the titular lone wolf Ogami Itto can kill his opponents while erasing his Sakki (bloodlust). I just think it would be interesting if Oda introduces some villains at some point who can make themselves completely devoid of emotion when they fight, which would make them a completely unpredictable match for the Straw-Hats..... |
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2010-08-30, 21:00 | Link #314 |
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^You don't even have to go back to Lone Wolf to get an example of what you are talking about. Seta Soujiro (of Rurouni Kenshin...of which Oda was an assistant on) was one of Himura Kenshin's greatest foes specifically because he fought without emotions.
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2010-08-30, 21:10 | Link #315 |
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^Sure, I could've mentioned Kenshin, but I just wanted to use an example from a superior series. Heck, I could even reference the artificial humans from DB who have no ki to sense for another example (like #17, #18, #16, etc.). Still, I was thinking more along the lines of human characters rather than robots or cyborgs.....
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I've explained such things last time, in the previous pages, but let me try to put things into perspective again. While Haki is said to be one's will, it is not so simple, the word has 2 components, 'Ha' and 'Ki'. 'Ha' means 'ambition', 'domination' among other meanings. 'Ki' is the word that means a person's will, lifeforce, the atmosphere or feeling given by the person, place or object. Put together, Haki means 'the will to dominate', meaning one's ambition. There literally 100s of other types of Ki, Sakki which means killing intention, 'Yuuki' which means courage, 'Touki' which means fighting spirit, 'Genki' which is health, 'Yaruki', willingness to do something, 'Jaki', evil intention, 'Youki', ghostly presence etc. etc. As you can see Ki forms the basis of everything that is spiritual, emotional, intentions and other things that can be felt. And when I said Ki also means the atmosphere, it doesn't just mean emotional atmosphere, it literally means the atmosphere itself, 'Tenki' means weather. Ok, back at the question, you can relate those Stands to the types of Haki that Oda created, just like you can relate Sharingan as a type of observational Haki. This is all because all these manga authors base their ability mechanics on the oriental concept of Ki. But Stands are closer to Ki itself than Haki, each Stand user's Stand is a direct manifestation of their will and intentions, meaning they represent different types of Ki. If someone has lots of Sakki, killing intention, he will probably manifest a Stand that's murderous. You can even say Weather Report is literally a manifestation of 'Tenki', weather. Quote:
On a type of Ki that carries no feeling, its called 'Kuuki'. The word literally means 'empty ki', which also means 'empty air/atmosphere'. Normally its used to describe all the atmosphere around us, they are simply 'empty' atmospheres, a mixture of gases in space waiting for things to affect and give them a Ki. I'll get back to that but first I'll talk about how Ki doesn't just describe or work with humans, its in everything. Let's say you see a very old and creepy looking house at night, it looks like a haunted house, because it has this ghostly atmosphere. That's right, that house has 'Youki', a ghostly presence/atmosphere. And like I said, there's 100s of 'Ki', you can literally slap any word together with Ki and describe anything. That minefield has a dangerous Ki, the girl has a kawaii Ki, the food is delicious and has a Ki that makes you hungry, something like that. And back at 'Kuuki', the most recent description of Kuuki I've heard was in Blazblue. Shishigami Bang a Super Ninja who can sense Ki, was fighting Noel Vermillion, a cyborg who enters a robotic trance when in danger or battle. Bang told Noel at the end of the fight that he sensed no Sakki(killing intention in her) and that's why he stopped fighting. He then said that Noel felt rather empty, void of emotions when she fights, it feels just like fighting 'Kuuki', air itself. This means that this opponent is completely unpredictable, you're hitting air, you're hitting nothing, you don't know what you'll get. Quite a long and maybe confusing post, not sure if it helps.
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Ku Lung's writing was especially adapt at these Ki battles. Most of his fights usually starts off with a staring contest and a battle of Ki.
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I wonder how mantra and move-predictment can be countered (other then having far superior speed, ala first fight of Lee & Sasuke, but that already means you won) .. presumably logia-nullifying haki can be countered with armor haki (Akainu vs Vista) and kings haki by just having a strong haki of your own (obviously you cannot just knock out top tiers like that)
maybe the above post is the answer I remember Luffy vs Enel, but that srsly won't work for anyone except Luffy probably and at best it got a few hits on Enel, that's all .. someone like Mihawk would shred him to pieces the moment he closes his eyes like that |
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