2010-12-09, 11:43 | Link #7341 | |
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With the abilities that Athena has shown to be capable of, I wonder whether the loli-Athena is the real Athena or a being created from magic. Need the next chapter... |
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2010-12-09, 13:18 | Link #7343 | |
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Yozora's involvement has been played for humor, and there's no actual connection to Athena yet. I still stand by my statement of Athena = the story turning serious, which this chapter doesn't even hinted at. Another thing that makes me think that this is in Hayate's mind/filler, last time Ikuza was mentioned by Athena, she was asking Hayate about his whereabouts, now she apparently has found him, only a few days later. Not likely. She didn't even find Hayate that quickly, and he wasn't in hiding. Also, the number of Case Closed references. If you look back to (I think it was) 100, they gave Detective Conan a chapter, it was related as a dream and it had to do with the character polls. Except for the 'dream' explanation right now, it's following the same path, and that one was not touched on again since. Although it was the lead-in for a plotline arc, it wasn't started until the end, and wasn't in the middle of another arc like this one is.
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2010-12-09, 14:19 | Link #7345 | |
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2010-12-09, 14:28 | Link #7346 | |
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And Athena hasn't had her own arc yet, the EoTW and Athens arc were building Hayate's character, not Athena's.
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2010-12-09, 14:59 | Link #7347 | |
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Well, it COULD be that a couple other factors than Athena's magical magnetism are involved too ... I'm sorry that I'll undoubtedly come over as a moping sourpuss spoilsport, but someone has to take over the dark shadow part so that the lightbringer of Athena can shine properly. Spoiler for Kind request: People who have a low tolerance for snarks should not klick on this. I'm in a bit of a sarcastic mood today:
So yea, what's not to like? As an Athena-shipper, I'd be squealing in delight now As a Hina-shipper, I take heart in the fact that Hata gave her 1 page to reiterate that the Hayate chapter isn't terminally closed for her, simply based on the thought that he'd be a bastard to prolong a story with a winning match (Athena/Hayate) in secrecy while enjoying the torment Hina is in due to lacking closure. And seeing more of her, especially in the context of the interesting Royal Garden story compared to the "I so don't care" manga artist sidearc, is a pleasant thought. Still, allow me to say one thing: I remember how several people (understandably) complained about H.I.N.A. during season 2. But the measure of blatant favoritism towards Athena, compared to the total annihilation of Maria (she's out of the story completely), the starving of Nagi (except for sacrificing the jewel, no good scenes for her), and the constant screwing-over of Hina (with the exception of granting her a graceful exit after defeat), absolutely supersedes anything from back then. In fact, it's a bit jarring. This is why I was quite pleased by the results of the third popularity contest. A-tan has taken the baton of the "anything but Hina and Nagi" faction, but all the exceptional pushing during the Greece arc notwithstanding, she only collected votes from others and was soundly defeated in the totals. I honestly thought that Hina would eventually win, but not that she'd retain a near 2:1 lead. The mood on 2chan mirrors my own: They feel that HnG was a show in decline over the last chapters. The majority feeling is rather "We'll endure what Hata puts us through" rather than "I'm really looking forward to what happens next". So, forgive me if I'm not QUITE as ecstatic as our esteemed Athena shippers - but I guess Hata has the next treat prepared for you. So, please enjoy! *Yup, flameproof undies ready for service* *Awaits the onslaught* |
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2010-12-09, 15:00 | Link #7348 | |
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I think the correct interpretation is that the EoTW and the Athens Arc have the greatest development for Hayate, because those arcs involved Athena (which can easily be said Athena's arc). The male character can not be said to have an arc because he involves in every arc (for every girl), so it's the position/involvement of the female character that determinate who the arc belongs to. The arcs that belonged to Hina and Izumi previously were considered their arcs, not because of their incapability to have any impact on Hayate's development, but because they were the main girls involved in those arcs. |
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2010-12-09, 16:11 | Link #7349 | |
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Hina, Izumi and all of the other characters who have gotten their own dedicated arcs were noticeably different characters once we had gotten through their arcs, even Nagi is getting significantly built up in the current arc, while Hayate had minimal growth throughout. What you're calling the Athena arc only had that effect for Hayate's character, not Athena. If you don't like that explanation, technically, it would be the Midas' arc, since even he got more characterization than Athena, explained by his almost gaining complete control of her during it. I tend to call it the Athens arc because, while it follows Hayate, Athens is where the arc happens. The place/time is given the arc names because the characters will conceivably be given multiple arcs. Hayate has been given a steady stream of character building throughout, but major developments for him happened during Athena's appearances, probably because of her influence on his past and his devotion to her because of that. Athena hasn't even been animated yet, but she was still able to grasp 5th place of the 2nd character poll and get more nominations than Rukia of Bleach in ISML last year. Her hinting is enough to have gotten her those places, she didn't need her own character development arcs for it. And she was developed more in those hints than in the arcs themselves really.
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2010-12-09, 16:59 | Link #7350 | ||
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The Athens arc was very much about Hayate above and beyond anyone else and his character development was front and center throughout. (Nagi, rather oddly, ended up being the most changed character despite her relative lack of spotlight time until afterwards.) I'm not unhappy about Athena coming back, but I'll admit I was rolling my eyes a little that she's apparently still the damsel in distress less then a month after her last dramatic rescue. Quote:
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2010-12-09, 18:26 | Link #7351 | ||||
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1. I liked H.I.N.A but I felt like JC Staff ran with it for longer than it was needed. The end of the Hina focus was ep 13 (end of 1st half) yet they decided to run that ED until ep 17 (end of shimoda arc) which was clearly no longer Hina centered. So for those 4 extra episodes, I just didnt think it was necessary. 2. Maria and Nagi's lack of development has been going on for so long im sure many people have already gotten used to it...and the longer time passes the less hopeful I get. While Hinagiku was still my fav character before Greece happened, you can't really deny that she was the one with blatant favoritism in the series in term of focus. So just like the Athena focus (it really only started full force from 232 to 265), im sure many more people had the same feeling towards Hinagiku who had been stealing others spotlights for a much, much longer period of time. Quote:
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2010-12-09, 18:56 | Link #7352 | |
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I have to contest the 'Hata'-favoritism.
If Hina-tan (and possibly Athena, not quite sure yet) isn't important to the plot, she's drawn differently, for Hinagiku it's actually noticeable that her chest gets smaller when her being a pettanko isn't being played up. Given that she's actually the second character I've noticed with this trait, I'm wondering if it's actually a 'tropeable' trait. If this also applies to Athena, that would make her the 'third' to bear this trait, also implying that it's not exclusive to Hata It seems the favoritism you're talking about is actually established by the executives, since Hina is the Ensemble Darkhorse and Athena is the Base Breaker, and not the author themselves, and thus they aren't drawn how the author wishes to draw them, either in quiet revolt or they're actually being told to draw them differently. Also, have to agree with the 'hung on to the 2nd season 1st ending too long' sentiment. Quote:
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2010-12-09, 20:10 | Link #7353 |
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To me, I'm just happy at the idea of seeing more Athena-Hayate interaction. Nagi and Athena are the only ones that bring out the side of Hayate I'm most interested in; there's a marked "sameness" to how he interacts with the rest of the cast. But both of his relationships with those two girls are marked by equal amounts of affection on both sides even if it's a different sort of affection for both of them. (Nagi, unfortunately, tends to be diluted when the plot brings in the other girls, so it's harder for me to sustain interest)
So, yes, in that respect I am tickled to see Athena again. She not only brought out great things in Hayate, but she allowed the other cast to show nice moments too. I can see why other shippers would feel threatened by her appearance, but the Greece arc pretty much laid down that the end result will always be a Nagi-end, platonic or not. So just enjoy the scenes your characters of choice will get and try not to bite your cheeks too hard at the amount of Hayate/A-tan fanservice we're sure to get as a response to the poll.
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2010-12-09, 20:44 | Link #7354 | |
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Top Three: Athena, Yukariko, Yukiji. Bottom Three: "Hermoine", and he considers Nagi/Hina as being too close to call. Are they consistently (ever?) drawn that way? Hell no, and that's without even touching on Ayumu or Izumi because dammit man. More importantly, Ayumu, really, seriously, needs to get her own arc at some point instead of getting a two chapter story at best. She's too great a character to be so neglected. Maria too, but I've just about given up hope for her. Although, since she apparently knew Athena when she was little, and Athena is now a kid again...we may actually get a bit more Maria backstory soon. Last edited by madmac; 2010-12-09 at 20:58. |
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2010-12-09, 21:02 | Link #7355 | ||
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Hina's birthday arc is her arc because it's designed for her (centered around her), not because of the sudden realization of her affection for Hayate (which cause her behavioral change). The same goes for Izumi in her arc that happened before the EoTW arc. Even if we go by your concept/explanation, if it's about Athena, she has realized her love for Hayate 10 years ago. She, too, did have a great character development in the EoTW arc. Before she met Hayate, Athena was the person who threw away everything to obtain the Power of God regardless of her own life. Hayate made her realized that it was pointless to obtain the Power of God if she can't be with him. She came to value Hayate more than her goal in obtaining the PoG. That is a significance character development on her part. In the Greece arc, Athena did also have a character development rival that of Hayate. Before the arc began, she believed that she will be fine as long as Hayate was happy. She distanced herself from him to not interupt his life while enduring all of those feelings. In the end, she realized that she had been lying to herself all along, and broke down in tears when thinking that she can no longer see Hayate. Right now, as you can see, Athena visited him in his dream and gave him big hug (awww~~~~). Why would it be able Midas? The arc is for Athena, and Midas was one of her problems that needed to be solved along with her and Hayate's misunderstanding, and feelings Quote:
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2010-12-09, 21:04 | Link #7356 | ||
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Maria doesn't really have anyone to interact with, and it would have to change things in the overall storyline. Except the only thing that did get solved was Midas (and even that is questionable, given Hata's hints). Hayate is still dealing with his misunderstanding and Athena is still bottling her feelings.
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2010-12-10, 11:29 | Link #7357 | |
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While it's true that Hayate still has some misunderstandings, but, at least, he and Athena stopped blaming themselves for the tragedy 10 years ago. Although Athena is still hiding her feelings, but not to the degree that it can hurt her like before. And, it doesn't look like she's going after Hayate right now. |
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2010-12-10, 14:00 | Link #7358 |
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I really don't get why you guys are so hard on the Nagi-manga arc. Sure, it's not like super-event packed, but it's given character development to characters who've needed it (mainly Nagi, but also some to Chiharu and Ayumu). I'm finding it interesting to see how Nagi's independence is growing, for one thing.
I also find it hilarious how half of the 'wow, this arc has suddenly gotten so much better now that Athene's around' is such blatant favouritism (at least wait until she's done something? I mean really - all she's done is show up in kid form for some reason. If it was anyone else, I'd bet most of you wouldn't think it was interesting.) It's also funny how all the new activity since Athene's shown up again is arguing about whether she even deserves the attention. Well, here's hoping that this turns out just to be a fluffy filler mini-arc and all the fanboys end up crying in disappointment BD (Sorry, I'm horrible. <3)
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2010-12-10, 17:20 | Link #7359 | |
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So instead Nagi gets her character development arc and Hayate gets his own subplot dealing with Yozora and now Athena and eventually I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the plot lines merge. At least I hope so. One of my gripes with the manga recently is that Nagi gets left out of the loop entirely too often during serious plot lines. I guess the thinking is that it would ruin her innocence if she learned about Athena/The RG and so on too soon, but eh...it's starting to feel a little forced, and constantly keeping her (And to a lesser extent, Ayumu) in a bubble limits what can be done with them in the long run. |
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2010-12-10, 17:54 | Link #7360 | |
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