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View Poll Results: Who is the ultimate shinobi? | |||
The 1st | 24 | 5.99% | |
The 2nd | 3 | 0.75% | |
Sarutobi | 117 | 29.18% | |
The 4th | 119 | 29.68% | |
Jiraiya | 27 | 6.73% | |
Orochimaru | 10 | 2.49% | |
Tsunde | 4 | 1.00% | |
Itachi | 73 | 18.20% | |
Other...[Please State Who] | 24 | 5.99% | |
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2004-05-23, 16:58 | Link #123 | |
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eeeh?? no..... he couldn't even react, plus as nine devil says, everyone said that hís jutsus are fast Spoiler:
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2004-05-23, 17:54 | Link #126 | |
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2004-05-23, 18:28 | Link #127 |
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How long would a battle between Kakashi and Jiraiya take?
Longer or shorter? My point is, that Itachi's justu speed and overall strenght were measured against : kakashi:Elite Jounin Kurenai:New Jounin Asuma...?) Jounin |
2004-05-23, 19:58 | Link #128 | |
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2004-05-24, 00:28 | Link #129 |
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itachi is the best, he is a crazy ass cracka who can kill everyone! even orochimaru. naruto is about(if not stronger) than the level of gaara, sasuke is weaker then naruto, kakashi dosent do that much in the manga anymore, what im saying is that the giant ass frog could kill everyone and squish itachi. if not then itachi would kill everyone becuz he has a gun! haku is pretty.
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2004-05-24, 00:32 | Link #131 | |
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Itachi Fanboy/girl (either one works) Alert! And Sarutobi is the 3rd Hokage. Also, don't double post, just edit the previous one. |
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2004-05-24, 00:49 | Link #132 | ||
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2004-05-24, 00:50 | Link #133 |
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oh, my bad! i'll try and remember that, sarutobi is the old guy eh? he is about the level of orichimaru and itachi can kill orichimaru so itachi is still the best! he is bad-ass, i mean his b1tch is a shark! you cant top that? well sarutobi had a monkey and monkeys are cool. ohi dont know what to think anymore!
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2004-05-24, 01:42 | Link #135 |
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I think Sarutobi should win this vote no contest if we are considering them in their primes.
Anyway, was it just me or was the mange sharingan just an advanced genjutsu move, like the one that flute girl (from the 4 sound) did to Shikamaru? It shares pretty much all the traits of genjutsu, i.e. creation of illusions seen only by the one effected, its purpose is to cause mental trauma through these illusions and to immoblize its victim, etc. So it stands to reason that you could escape the manga sharingan if you were somehow able to inflict some damage upon yourself such as how Shikamaru did. Kakashi wasn't able to because obviously he was tied up, but so was Shikamaru and here is a time Shikamaru's cleverness really pays off. Also I don't think you can actually die from it directly just like other genjutsus, unless somehow it can mess up your brain so bad you die (doubtful). Indirectly of course it can kill you in many ways (just walk up and slit your throat while you're under its effects for instance) and I think that is what Kakashi meant when he said to himself "why didn't he kill me." True these are some assumptions and extractions as nothing was explicitly said in the manga/anime but I see no other explaination for it. |
2004-05-24, 01:46 | Link #136 | |
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2004-05-24, 03:38 | Link #138 | |
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I can see an extremely potent Genjutsu like the one induced by Mangekyo Sharingan causing a major heart attack for someone like Kakashi. EPYON |
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2004-05-24, 05:20 | Link #139 |
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Just a few responses:
-I don't know if mental breakdown or not can kill someone. I just threw that out there to think about. If the mange sharingan really can kill you in this way then maybe other advanced genjutsu can as well who knows. Or maybe this is unique to this technique, but I would still classify it as a genjutsu. -I think all genjutsu "worlds" (i.e. again, referring to the Tayuya's (?) genjutsu on Shika) are controlled by the user, making the mange sharingan again no different. -The sudden "jolt" to the body from pain is what allows you to get out of genjutsu. Pain recieved beforehand (such as your example with Kakashi) are more like "lingering" pain and would not allow you to be "immune" to genjutsu, because then genjutsu would essentially be useless would it not? -Now it sort of gets confusing when you consider mange sharingan only lasts for 1 second. The question becomes whether they can respond fast enough to break it (if in fact pain would indeed break it). Reacting in 1 second in real time would be hard, but in the mange sharingan world time is slowed down so then the person would have had time to react, if in fact the person had planned ahead for such an event and prepared some way to inflict pain on himself. It sort of is a hole that hasn't really been fully explained about genjutsu. -Lastly, I haven't really heard anything that really points it from not being a form of genjutsu. The ability to control the genjutsu and its duration point more to the potency of said jutsu rather than what type it is. I think when people start to look at it as a genjutsu people will see it isn't some all-powerful move that most percieve it to be. For example, if Kishimoto switched around the genjutsus used by Itachi and Tayuya, while still keeping the potentcy of the user in mind (the genjutsu used by Itachi still only had a real time duration of 1 second), I bet people would've STILL said Itachi's mange sharingan was all-powerful, awesome, etc., and STILL never mention Tayuya's genjutsu at all. Why? Because the world created by the genjutsu is irrelevant as long as it achieves the desired purpose, and also of course because Itachi is popular and Tayuya is not. Food for thought. edit: Oh yeah, also Itachi states that only another natural sharingan user is immune to the mange sharingan, which other than setting up the inevitable confrontation with Sasuke, fits into the theory of it being genjutsu since the sharingan can see through genjutsu (given the potency of the sharingan can match the potency of the genjutsu). There is just too many similarities between the mange sharingan and genjutsu that I don't see what else it could be. Last edited by Skyro; 2004-05-24 at 05:56. |
2004-05-24, 06:34 | Link #140 | |
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