2013-05-09, 08:27 | Link #4501 |
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its quite sad if we talking about romance, especially tatsuya's, in this novel.
the author clearly stated that tatsuya was unable to love, even tatsuya was convinced that "what was lost can't be recovered", only miyuki still hold hope that "it will take a miracle". the "unable to love" condition is worsened by the fact that tatsuya is dense about good intention/affection that directed toward him. even toward miyuki, tatsuya only hold brotherly love. if we talk about the girls feeling toward him, my opinion is: 1. miyuki: clearly in love with him, starting to realize her own feeling. no sane sister want to kiss her own brother. 2. mayumi : not clear but strongly hinted more as novel volume goes. 3. Erika: not clear but in the recent volume more lean to Leo 4. honoka: confessed to him, no need more argument. 5. Lina : not clear but strongly hinted, too bad she is like one time character. above explanation is just my impression as I read mknr |
2013-05-09, 09:22 | Link #4502 |
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havensgate, "A Wizard Did It" for this series is a quite possible solution, don't you think?
Even if Tatsuya is a bit Magically Hypnosed, nothing says some caring girl with mind-altering magic can't cure him. It just might be that his inability to love was added intentionally, to make possible a total control of a superpower user. Last edited by SinsI; 2013-05-09 at 09:33. |
2013-05-09, 10:53 | Link #4503 |
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Yeah I admit in recent volume Mayumi x Tatsuya is getting a heat due to ITS "DOUBLE SEVEN ARC" after that shes gonna be a side character bcuz she graduated already, do you think that theres a big chance of them meeting every other day????? I doubt that, its not like Mayumi is madly in love to stalk him 24/7.....the thing I want to say is that I cant see any further development in their pairing. and in Honoka shipment, Honoka x Shizuku is a more believable than Honoka chances for Tatsuya =). About Lina shes a one story character, yeah theres a chance she'll be back in the story but thats gonna be it, she'll just comeback to USNA after a mission, thats where she belongs.
About Erika the author is really vague about her relationship, she clearly has a thing for Tatsuya and shes Miyuki best friend,....but she keeps getting crash with Leo, yeah they think the same thing, Leo may....may have a crush in Erika but Erika clearly states that she hate Leo's guts, its not even considered TSUN without the DERE! In the end only pieces of the past are shown in Erika story, and the author is clearly building it up as the Novel continue. Lastly Miyuki, if by some sort of miracle happened and that They're not siblings which I doubt bcuz if that happens Miyuki will be the same as Honoka, whos gonna be a friend and that he'll just say he cant love her bcuz he doesnt deserve or dont have the emotion. and if another miracle comes in and he recovered his emotion which I doubt again.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mayumi would be probably have less screen time after the double seven arc,... Honoka doesnt have a story to tell cuz she just a normal fangirl.... Lina wont becoming back unless the author gives a story for the balance of the international powers.... I just wanna say is that base on development in the future I can only see Miyuki, Erika, and Kuroba twins, bcuz they still have a story to tell. and just like everyone knows Mizuki x Mikki is a set in stone....the author just doesnt want to make it official yet,. but Tatsuya knows they are in the a path of no return. beside doesnt mean that if Mizuki and Mikki got together they'll be happy ever after., im sure they're bound to be divorce bcuz of the Yoshida family!
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2013-05-09, 12:29 | Link #4505 | |
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2013-05-09, 12:48 | Link #4506 | |
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2013-05-09, 13:54 | Link #4507 |
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I think Erica is prepping Leo as a potential husband. The novel states that one of the main roles of a female magic user is to marry and contribute to the abilities and strength of the family blood line. For a magic hand to hand combat family Leo would be an excellent breading horse... i mean husband. Her hysterical denial of any connection to Leo can be taken as a lot of things and I wont take literally until there is solid proof. One thing to consider though, she stayed with Leo and his sister at the hospital and it was implied that she was lying when she said she went and got rest. She is also the one who helped Leo and took care of him while he was at his most vulnerable which implies that Leo trusts her as well. While yes she is a battle freak she went out to find and kill the one responsible for harming Leo. This makes me think that they are not just friends, maybe not lovers (yet), but she definitely doesn't hate him.
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Let me ask you something, since when does the MCs girl get seen naked by a male other than the MC? Leo walked in on her naked in volume 6! There was a whole colored illustration for that scene. |
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2013-05-09, 19:57 | Link #4509 | |
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2013-05-09, 20:04 | Link #4510 | ||
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Just because there is someone who loves the heroine and the MC don't show love = someone x heroine? So that means Mayumi x Hattori 100%? He loves her (way more intense than Leo "start to show interest") and obivously Tatsuya sees her no more than a social acquaintance (strictly business), not even a friend. Seriously i want the author to troll the hell out of us with Erika x Tatsuya. Far as i know, she is the most close to him beside Miyuki. (object of comparison: Honoka-the fangirl.) -The level of closeness is: Family(Miyuki), lover (Eiyuki), friend(Erkia, Leo Honoka,...), social acquaintance(Mayumi, Mari, Katsuto, Hattori,...),... -Even among the friends, who rally the whole neighborhood to go cheer for him in the 9-school competition again? Honoka-the fangirl? Leo-the best buddy? No, only Erkia. Even her best friend Mizuki said it's uncharacteristic of her to do that and thinks she has feeling for Tatsuya (while not the official, it has very logical reasons.). -She is also the second best one who shows care for him. Who else would want to know Tatsuya's family stituation? Honoka? Leo? Mikihiko? Mizuki? Only Erika, she is the first to do that. Remind me, where is the part that Erika's narrative shows that she is interested in Leo again or do something for him? Because i see none beside she trains him which is negated by her purpose to maker him the bodyguard for her Tatsuya. For Tatsuya?(object of comparrision: Mayumi-the customer.) 1) the very first volume(her narrative), 2)rallying friends to cheer her Tatsuya(her actions), 3)nine-school competition confession(or thank you. But really, confession. Approved by Miyuki) in the maid's outfit, 4)train body-guard for her Tatsuya in thesis competition(action), 5)show embarrassment when Tatsuya recuse her but stop avoiding him because of Mizuki's "tatsuya will forget you if you don't show up" threat (action) (vamp. arc) 6)want to know more about him personally(action)(vamp arc. coming soon.). Compared to Mayumi: 1)president election blushing.(action)(president election) 2)bath thought.(narrative)(president election, i think.) 3)library rendezvous.(action)(thesis competition) 4)protest against her father.(action) (2-7 coming soon?) (Sundress and teasing events, "my CAD technician", and some more events don't count since in the sundress event and teasing events, she teases Hattori, Azusa, Suzune,... in the same way, in CAD and other business-purely business.) Erika shows her affection with more amount of times than Mayumi. However, unlike Mayumi's manga-hint ones , most of them is subtle and non-manga hint but hint nonetheless.(if a girl is willing to do things for you more than anyone else, obviously she loves you). No one can say it's unclear when it comes to Erika. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote:
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2013-05-09, 23:15 | Link #4511 |
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If you cant interpret this one i'll tell it to you, Honaka got her ass rejected and she admitted she wont give up, and Tatsuya knew that. OK....I'll drop the bomb and just say, Tatsuya told her some secrets,....that only him, Miyuki, Yotsuba familiy, Yakumo(like you can hide things from a ninja) 101 battalion, among their circle of friends Erika is the only one who really knows of Tatsuya's magic.Theres alot of intimate?? scene but thats unsure because both of them shows that its normal. Yeah summaries.....well I read summaries too yeah there are some but I dont see her coming any sooner. so whats the point? When was it???like the scene from the Halloween??? yeah that scene clearly stated that the only reason she was with Leo is he was with Tatsuya and the only person who would talk to Leo is Tatsuya..... like when she trained Leo, yeah it was so that he can protect Tatsuya properly! Never lump them together....no ones going to have a more dramatic family than Tatsuya....but Erika would be the closes to his expirience....well not close anyway, they understand each other more than anyone beside Miyuki, Erika already said it in vol. 3 that Tatsuya is detach bcuz she is too (Vol. 1 reference when she was talking to herself) ooooohhhhhhh wowowowow!!! well Tatsuya seen Honaka naked when he pulls her to shore(vol. 5) yeah Tatsuya never had the privilege to see Erika naked but he saw her underwear and Miyuki's (Vol. 1) and Im not seeing Honaka being up ahead in the chart??? EDIT: damn my arguement is too long so I had to remove some quotes PS: Ty bietchie11 for clearing a big,yet so simple at the same time stupid misunderstanding AND to all who thinks that the author is going for Erika x Leo, the author clearly state that in vol.3 in Mizuki's monologue that Erika hit it off best with Leo but clearly stated using Mizuki that Erika has a special feeling for Tatsuya beside if by a chance that Mayumi or Honaka bcome a candidate for Tatsuya's GF they have to face the wrath of Miyuki, bcuz Miyuki is a very jealous sister, but its been shown that Miyuki acknowledge Erika's "LOVE?" for Tatsuya unlike the other two candidate....well theres alot of interpretation in there she either dont take Erika as a rival or she trust Erika as a partner.?
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2013-05-10, 01:20 | Link #4512 |
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^ Yeah, I know you like shipping, but it's obvious. Mizuki with Mikihiko and Erika with Leo. Remember, Sayaka had a "thing" for Tatsuya too .. how did that turn out?
You can ship however you want but don't spam walls of text or get worked up. Keep it civil. You can believe what you want but you need to chill out.
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2013-05-10, 01:31 | Link #4515 | |
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Well said, I really enjoy reading your comment. I actually agree with you about Honoka isn't in the competition. My opinion is, unlike Miyuki, Mayumi, Erika, and Lina, Honaka was just a normal high school girl. She was neither a member of TMC nor she is a combatant like Lina. I doubt she could still see and feel for Tatsuya the same way she does now when she know his "other side". Learning about his "dark side" and his true power would surely scare her like how Sayaka feel about Tatsuya after she witness his and Miyuki's darker personalities. Unlike Sayaka who was a daughter of an officer and had been trained in martial art since young, Honoka is a complete normal girl. She will realize that she and Tatsuya lived in different worlds: the world of normal people and the darker world of death and madness. If that wasn't enough to change her mind, there is always the fact that Tatsuya is an important member within Yotsuba family, the most powerful clan even among the Ten Master Clan. Marrying a member of TMC, for normal girl, is already seem impossible. Marring Tatsuya who is the member of Yotsuba family, the strongest among TMC is even more impossible. If Honoka know who Tatsuya and Miyuki are, with her personality, she will realize that both of them are out of reach and will possibly give up on becoming his lover. (they live in different worlds after all.) P.S. to bietchie11, my comrade I sorry I didn't look at your edited post(I saw the first version but when I refresh the page I overlooked it). Indeed you have mentioned ZKC. P.S.2 By the way, I have different opinion about Erika trained Leo. I don't think she did it because she have special feeling for Tatsuya though. Sure she have some affection for him, but Erika care a lot for her friends remember? That too is the reason why she stayed near Leo when he got hospitalized and cheered up Mikihiko to get over his mental block before the monolith final. She's such a nice person. There is a reason for that too. I think many people had already mentioned that she had difficult childhood. She used to be a lonely person and have different personality. We also know that two(three in D7) years ago something happened and made her the Erika we know today. In my opinion, she is the most interesting character in the series and the girl with the most complicated background; other's pale in comparison. P.S.3 About Leo almost saw her naked body....... so what? You know? I actually see Erika as a Ms. Fanservice in this series. Just how many time she had been in this kind of situation; there is Tatsuya's seeing her underwear, her's wearing bloomer, maid costume as well as that scene. I won't be surprised if more with come in the future arc. P.S.4 about Erika making Leo her breeding horse. WTF? Did forget about Erika's relationship with her family? You think someone who values personal training and don't like how her family treat her will be satisfied by having a baby with someone with good gene to strengthen her family's bloodline? Erika don't like her family.... or at least (as she said) don't like to only be seen as a daughter of Chiba family. Do you notice "every time" when she was introduced to someone? She will request other to call her "Erika" instead of "Chiba-san". P.S. 5 It seem that the Erika shipper trio are very active today. |
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2013-05-10, 01:37 | Link #4516 |
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keep it cool guys.
as for me, I'm mayumi shipper. not because she is the closest girl or with the most love, its just because I like her character. her moments with tatsuya is just adorable. it happens right, when we read a story we come to like a character, and whether she ended up with MC or not that's not really important. actually also like miyuki, but incest is not my thing |
2013-05-10, 05:54 | Link #4517 |
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I'm gonna try to set some stuff straight here, as Bw67 said: "As I said before, Tatsuya's view of the girls are not taken into account when we rank them. He may not see them in a romantic light, but he didn't reject them either."
If we were to take his feelings into account then everyone who's name isn't "Miyuki Shiba" or Miyuki Yotsuba wouldn't even rank. And even then, he only sees her in strictly a sisterly-love way. Miyuki and Miyuki only. He's completely, in every way, shape, or form incapable of loving anybody that isn't Miyuki. Not even his own mother(not that I blame him). Until that fact changes, essentially every pairing is possible. That is, if you don't take his feelings into account.
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2013-05-10, 09:59 | Link #4519 |
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i totaly agree with your point however looking at a novel as a whole it is impossible to end novel(if you don't give a damn you can) without resolving all subplots, especialy ones so character defining like Miyuki being a brocon ... This in return suggest something will happen that will enable such closure, in all likelyhood exploitable by other characters ... meaning everything is possible and when in Rome, do as the Romans do
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