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Also, wasn't Koizumi a replacement for Kyon? I'm sure that has also not helped in the Koizumi character development department... |
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2009-09-19, 18:48 | Link #1103 | |
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I guess that I'm just disappointed that some of the intriguing developments of Novel 2 are just chucked completely aside. Perhaps there will be no heel turn. I wouldn't be shocked to see the hanging plot threads picked up again, but if they're not, well...
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And no author has an obligation to pick up unresolved plot threads... JK Rowling tried, bless her, but even she couldn't completely resolve all the stuff she came up with over six large books. |
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2009-09-19, 18:53 | Link #1105 |
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Or maybe the heel turn and setup was to point out how the characters were before the events of Sigh, and that was a turning point of sorts. With other later events it would seem that the SOS-dan is becoming more a group for themselves rather than agents in it for the three orginizations around Haruhi.
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Interesting point, Ithekro.
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2009-09-19, 18:57 | Link #1107 | |
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I really do suggest you read the rest of the books... |
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2009-09-19, 23:47 | Link #1109 |
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Hmmm, while I fon't think it need to have a betrayal, I don't think it is impossible.
Lets analize the three factions: IDE: Their main goal is observe Haruhi. That, by itself mean they are pretty much neutral. However, I believe they would chooise to intervene if a possibility of Haru Power vanish happen. No antagonism with the Organization or the Time-Travels for now. The Organization: Want to keep Haruhi happy to avoid world destruction. If there was a possibity of their 'god'(not even then believe hse is a god, btw) lose her power, they would probably go for it. It is not like they like doing what they do. A good setup for a betrayal. Tat makes then antagonize the IDE (who wants the power to continue to exist), but not necessarially the Time-Travels. Time Travelers: They are trying to fix the timequake and that is it. From the three factions, they are the ones who give less credits to Hauhi's powers. They seem to not like the Organization because their believess contradict everything they know about the 'time'. They are like scientist and the Organization being a religious group. If there is a possibility of rid-off the godlike powers, it is hard to know what they are going to do. They would try if they believe its helps then to back more the 3/4 year ago. Now, about the three main characters. Yuki: Seens to be loyal to Kyon. Spoiler for vol.4:
Itsuki: Hard to tell what he want. Everything we knows about the Otganization was told by him, so and it seens he likes that view. Spoiler for Vol.5:
Mikuru: She seens to belives in the Time-Travelers main goals and that is it. If they order she to betrayal Kyon she will probably do so. She will probably don't like it. However, she don't even believe anything can be done if the future say something must be done. The novels never gave us a reason to believe she would side Kyon, it is kinda againd her personality, tough. That is it. I don't really believe in any of the main factions. They all seens to be kinda evil (not really evil, but unfriendly. Of the main characters, if is going to be a traitor, I would bet in Mikuru. |
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2009-09-20, 06:44 | Link #1113 | ||
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I also agree that because a lot of people seem to suspect him, he's the least likely to betray Kyon in the end. It's a little too easily guessed that the supposedly shady character actually does, in fact, turn out to be shady; there's no suspense and no mystery that way. I mean, yeah, it took a lot longer for Kyon to come around to admitting that he trusts Koizumi, so there would probably be a greater emotional blow if it was him that turned against the SOS Brigade, but it also seems really obvious a move. If a betrayal comes from any of the three factions, it should be from one the reader is not likely to suspect. Quote:
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I'm sort of expecting somthing like that happening at the last second. Really as long as Haruhi or Kyon don't die in the end (Hell that is what the entire series is about) i suppose any ending would be good/tolerable. Several character groups won't like it much though. Quote:
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Also on the last point, Koizumi = Replacement for Kyon (Esper) also replacement as Haruhi's Companion? Or at least a hint at an attempt being made by Koizumi, I really can't see Koizumi passing up the chance to get rid of Kyon if it presents itself. Quote:
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Every one in the Organization stalked Haruhi for 3 years. I think you are over reacting the possible crush he has on Haruhi. To me, he seens to like Kyon more then he likes Haruhi. |
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2009-09-20, 07:50 | Link #1117 | |
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And, frankly, I don't see nothing in Itsuki conversation with Kyon that indicate he want to betrayal him. He might be just acting, but it is a baseless speculation. |
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2009-09-20, 07:53 | Link #1118 | ||
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Koizumi's also studied Kyon's entire life story and is clearly pretty fond of him (whether you take that to be on a "friendship" level or a "romantic" one is up to you). Why would he necessarily betray one for the other? (Further, if it weren't for one line in an alternate universe in volume four, would people have been as likely to jump on the "Koizumi loves Haruhi" bandwagon?) Quote:
Koizumi comments on their relationship because one of his motives -- or the Organization's, whichever -- seems to be to play matchmaker get Haruhi and Kyon together. Kyon keeps denying it and Koizumi keeps pushing; if Koizumi wanted a better chance for himself, he probably wouldn't be acting the way he does. Spoiler for Volume 5, Snow Mountain Syndrome:
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Simply put, Kyon trusts Koizumi. |
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So, yeah, I don't believe either Itsuki is going to betrayal Kyon. |
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