2009-02-05, 17:21
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Spoiler for Gundam Seed Episode 50:
It would have made Kalulu more canon than canon (heh, AsuCaga is the epitome of canon. In Seed t least :'P), if only she have knew I could have totally see her pulling something like that (wasn't it what she kinda did in Turn 7 ?) Such a shame she knew too late...Had she been able to do so I would have understood her "essential role" when it comes to her bound with Lulu but there, I have an hard time to figue it out.
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2009-02-05, 17:50
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
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its sad that at the one point where what lelouch needed most of all was someone to tell HIM to "live on" he ends up in the company of a guy who
1)wants revenge on him 2)has a "death as atonemet" fetish and a woman who spent hundreds of years looking for a way to die (and as such, a poor choice for a motivational speaker) no wonder he ended up coming with ZERO-R (that ends with his death) he didnt have someone around to bright slap him
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2009-02-05, 18:04
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Greece
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It is actually ironic, the whole "live on" line and the concept of it. And it is ironicx2, how, when Lelouch and Kallen are ready to have a decent convo, everything else in the universe always lines up against them. |
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2009-02-05, 18:19
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Um-Shmum
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
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suzaku got a "i command you to love me" from euphie in season 1
lelouch needed something like that from kallen (at that point there was no one else) something like in ep 7, to show him that he still has something to live for instead he gets stuck with suzaku and C.C for a month and by the time he gets to see kallen again he's already past the point where it would work (to the point where even nunnaly isnt enough to sway him from it)
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2009-02-05, 19:27
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Oh, Euphie and her weird commands, that was one of the most epic moments in S1. 8D Anyway, yeah i think Lelouch needed someone that still had faith in him and believed in him. {definitely not Suzaku that pretty much wanted to take revenge or C.C that did not really care for something specific} Kallen might have been his purpose to keep going. I mean, i don't know, apart from their identical characters, i always have thought that their hearts were the same. They have both grown up because of each other, {especially Kallen, for Lelouch other people helped for it as well but still} they know that the world is not a safe place and they are trying to change it. Man, seriously, come to think of it, they are scarily identical. I feel the burning need to write an analysis right now. |DD; |
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2009-02-05, 19:31
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Um-Shmum
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
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2009-02-06, 07:12
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Glorious Fire Wall-Hmm, I hate my government more than you do.
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Will translate it into English if you need it Spoiler for LXK similarities, CHN:
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2009-02-06, 07:34
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Um-Shmum
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
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please do @azul120 what makes you think lelouch had a death wish all along (not just in the last arc)
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2009-02-06, 07:39
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*frustrated*
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Glorious Fire Wall-Hmm, I hate my government more than you do.
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BTW, Lelouch's death wish doesn't belong here.
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2009-02-06, 10:17
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: depths of Kagutsuchi where the Sheol Gate is located
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2009-02-06, 10:47
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Um-Shmum
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
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watch the ep again lelouch spends most of the ep being catatonic rolo has to carry him into the room and after blowing up at rolo in a completly maniac way he doesnt do anything but stare at the floor for half the ep he doesnt move he doesnt answer the phone when C.C tells him to take off his cloths it takes him a moment to understand that she even talked to him (let alone her odd request that makes him again reflect on his pain) and then from the moment kallen walks in (actually from the moment she calls him on the intercom) complete shift he may still be down, but he's far from catatonic he's alert and responsive (he instently reacts to hearing her voice on the intercom) he questions about ougi's request that he come down to the warehouse (where as he wouldnt even pick up the phone before) he's quick to explain when C.C causes a misunderstanding which causes kallen to feel betrayed saying that its HIS fault that the C.C that KALLEN knew is gone (rather then that he lost C.C as well) he puts on his ZERO mask again and heads down with her why is he ZERO now, hasnt he just lost his reason for liveing, much less being ZERO ? and on the way down the first thing he does is tell kallen that he is happy to see her safe and asks her to forgive him for taking so long in rescuing her he just broke her out of the most heavily guarded building in the entire area, within weeks of her capture, and lost his sister (and reison detre) in the process, yet he is asking her to forgive him about the time it took even when kallen brings up nunnaly (which is an incredibly painful thing at that point) he seems to take it well (almost sounds pleased to know that nunnaly helped kallen during her capture) and thats BEFORE she actually tries to comfort him about his loss this is a change that stems from mearly being in her presence again after so long i rather think that had the ambush not taken place and he had spent some more time with kallen she could have helped him overcome nunnaly's death (it would alot of time) and having herself expirianced the loss of her brother, i think kallen might have been the one person most suited to help him find the way to "live on" by the time the ambush is set in motion he is activly trying to find a way out of it (looking for a way to save himself, he hasnt given up yet) its only when he sees shnizel and understands that he doesnt have a chance that he stops trying to save himself and even then its not a case of just giving up and saying just shoot me he changes tactics and focuses on saving kallen's life at least (and puts on a great act to pull it off) and all this happens within 5 minutes of him being so catatonic that he spent all his time staring at the floor you cant credibly argue that kallen didnt "get to him" she did that without even trying to get to him (her attemped to actually comfort him got cut off) and its only AFTER that point (when he lost her as well) that he tells rolo that he has no reason to live anymore becouse that really WAS the point where he lost EVERYTHING nunnaly was the most importent thing to him but at that point she wasnt the ONLY thing in his life (as shown clearly in the end of ep 7, which also marks the start of a new stage in his relationship with kallen)
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2009-02-06, 11:21
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Greece
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@Haku-Men:: It was not mentioned that Kallen would stop ZR. There was discussed the possibility, that Lelouch would not come up with an extreme plan like this if things have not been played like they were, and if Kallen was by his side, instead of C.C and Suzaku. Also, blade did a good job replying to you how Kallen had an extra impact on him, compared to others. Sure, someone could argue, that it was because he hadn't seen her in a while, but really? When Lelouch spends most of the time in the episode, being emo-stare at the floor and when Kallen appears he is being a bit talkative and stuff, you can't really ignore that. Not to mention, he enabled his genius-braincells again, to get her out of there as well. Basically, Lelouch did not give a crap about anyone else at that epi, up until Kallen came. And that is obvious, there is no real argument here. What had me kinda thinking though, is that in the end of the episode, Lelouch lists Nunally, Rolo, Shirley, BK as the things he has lost. I thought he would list Kallen {and C.C maybe} as well, but he did not. I think there might be a reason about it. |
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2009-02-07, 02:14
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fighting swine flu
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Mexico City
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2009-02-08, 10:16
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I change anime endings.
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Italy
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And Now, the most dangerous comic of the saga, finally after 2 years, Kallen want to comfort Lelouch, their first time....BEWARE, MATURE ONTENT, NO UNDER 18:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...7&postcount=75 |
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