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thats not my point. i'm just saying why is everyone agreeing with her? never in a million year that every single person in a really large group 100% agree with each other. why aren't there some, even a really tiny part of the people say, they need to kill the naturals for revenge or something. That's what i don't get and at this rate i never will.
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2013-05-31, 17:22 | Link #7363 |
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Lacus was basically Siegal's political heir. He schooled her extensively and his support group was as loyal to her as they were to him when he died. We don't see this of course
Pop star was a poor choice, I assume so Rie Tanaka could sing for the show but she wasn't a pop star in the way Meer was. She sang a few sad ballads, made some records and basically otherwise sang for charity and stuff. She was mostly retired by the time Seed started except for peace events and stuff. She's not Britney Spears in the eyes of Plant, she's like...Frank Sinatra, Elton John or some other singer that's actually well respected my the masses and if they started talking politics people might consider their words. Meer was essentially a mockery of Lacus. And her ditzy act was just that, an act. If you didn't notice by how she kept breaking out of her room and tee heeing it off, she was simply acting naive and harmless so the "enemy" wouldn't think she was a threat and she could assess the Earth Forces without being treated like an enemy soldier. Her "real" self came out when she ordered Rau off. |
2013-05-31, 17:31 | Link #7364 |
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Lacus in last war == stop fighting or we will crush you with Freedom, Justice, Strike, ArchAngel and Terminal!!!
Lacus in last war not same as fake Lacus (Real Lacus can back up her demanded/words) + you can think of idol as her hobby + think of her celebrity name power ( fake Lacus used) same as princess Diana(real life) |
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2013-05-31, 18:20 | Link #7366 |
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I can accept that they had meant to portray Lacus' ditzy persona as a cover to who she really is, but fact of the matter is they blundered doing so, and a good number of people see it as an ass-pull. They could've portrayed it better, and failed.
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And just as well, had she acted her real self, she would convince the rest of the AA crew, not just Natarle, that she is quite valuable as a bargaining chip. Her act was really that, an act. A fact affirmed by official materials and even Dilly would comment in the 2nd season. Quote:
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Whatever Lacus was supposed to be really doesn't matter, the writers failed to write it out well enough. I was never in the gray what/who Cagalli was, their stories and backgrounds are quite similar there are some differences but for the most part they're pretty similar
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And then all her other appearances came off as wildly different without any real build-up. I understand what they went for, I just see it as a failure in what they tried to accomplish. A few scenes more across a couple other episodes could've done wonders for this, but instead, we got clip shows. Quote:
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But she wasn't. So one of two things is possible, either she still had influence, or she had inside help. Or maybe both. Quote:
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2013-05-31, 18:47 | Link #7371 |
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It wasn't the different personality that bothered most people about Lacus. Just the transition to that personality, or rather the lack of it, that bothered people. That's where the failure came into play. That so many people see it shows that they didn't do a great job at portraying it.
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Actually, this is the first time where I've seen a discussion about transition of her character. Back in 2006 onwards, when we discussed Lacus, the argument centered on her being Mary Sue, but beyond that, pretty much nobody ever questioned her transition. Quote:
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That's cause there wasn't any transition and back then there was a lot more to consider about the show--now, we're in a rerun, and we notice different things because we already know how things play out. In one scene focus she got, she was an airhead. The next, she was all doting nurse, but still an airhead ("don't you wish we could stay like this FOREVER" "bitch you're high"), then next we saw her, she's all GUERRILLA PEACE SPOKESMAN PRINCESS and taking over ships and shit.
We don't see her initial reaction to having to go into hiding, whatever her reaction was to Zala's descent into madness... all we got is her being herded out of a room from a radio, and also her quite stupidly and dangerously waiting on Athrun in a bombed out building wearing the one kind of outfit someone in her situation really shouldn't bloody be wearing. All we needed was a few scenes to change that, and her change in personality would've looked better. We could've seen her grow into the position. Instead we got what came off to many as a blatant and jarring personality change.
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She still could've chosen to wore something that give her more mobility than that dress, in case something goes wrong. Her taking the risk at the building to meet with him I understand. The dress, however, was just a fucking stupid choice and to me it seemed it was just to show off more of her implausible wardrobe. Why would she even have something like that if she's on the run? Given the state of the building I can't imagine it'd be in that good a condition if it was left at the building in the first place.
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I would agree with you that her choice of attire was perhaps, impractical. At the same time, I recognize that this is Gundam, which built itself on the rule of cool Its something I tend to overlook. The same way I overlook the Hawke sisters' wardrobe choice
I mean, her wardrobe's lack of practicality is really nothing compared to the titular war-machines in the series. - Tak
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Your view that EVERYONE supports her is a generalization based on what we saw, and of course the writers meant it to be that way to show that she had the popular support, and to further justify Durandal's play with using a fake Lacus Dont think too much about it, DESTINY was so badly written that thinking too deep give headaches :P |
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He was just setting her up so that he'd have an heir to his faction he trusted to share his views. Everyone on the Zaft side of the Clyne Faction in both shows, that was all set up by Siegal. And because he raised her as such, they were just as loyal to her after he died. Much like Uzumi, Siegal correctly read the political landscape and realized they'd be dealing with potential genocide and made steps to fight against it. |
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