2013-06-18, 13:43 | Link #3841 |
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Not completly sure, what you are discussing, whether there was romance involved, or not(Sry!).
Kirino loves Kyousuke as a men. Kyousuke loves Kirino as a women. They both love eachother in a special way, that can't be taken to lightly. It isn't just love between men and women, nor brother and sister. It is more than that. I have to recall again and again the last few rows of the final volume. In order to stay together, to see eachother, talk to eachother, they have to make a compromise. One day maybe, they will go further... One day, maybe. To put the whole 12 volumes short: It is a story, that starts like any other. In the end, it will blow your mind.
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2013-06-18, 14:48 | Link #3843 | |
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I do understand your frustration with feeling like you were jerked around, due to the author's desire to keep the ending as secretive as possible, and your frustration with the insistence of certain people that there is no other possible direction for the story (or that it was completely obvious from the start) -- if that were the case, then there would not have been nearly as much suspense about how the story would end. But... at the same time, recognizing the reasons for what the author did (indeed, to build that suspense), I don't consider it as much of a "fault" but more of a "consequence". And given the "constraint" (even if we consider it self-imposed), I honestly do think that the dots are connected about as well as they can be. I think the author was basically playing the audiences biases against them, since no matter how much he built up Kirino and Kyousuke's feelings for each other, there was always a "way out". And the natural inclination was to assume that they would take a way out given that it was an option. Although Kyousuke was slowly changing over the course of the narrative, it wasn't until the end that we see the impact of that change in terms of what he was willing to do. The Kyousuke at the start of the narrative would never have done what the Kyousuke at the end of the narrative did, but that's because the Kyousuke at the start of the narrative wasn't actually his full, true self (though this too was subtly foreshadowed). It's certainly a tricky way of writing things.
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2013-06-18, 16:07 | Link #3844 | ||
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Mayid and I talked and made up offline - we're not so far apart as it might appear, at least in recognizing some of the fragmentary elements of the story development. Ah well. I don't *hate* the story. I like the character designs (personalities, etc), I wasn't hating the barrel of red herring elements. It's rare I don't have critical thoughts about stories - even ones I love dearly (listen to me rant about Tolkien or Arthur C. Clarke sometime). Quote:
It also may be that I'm fundamentally getting tired of 'horserace' young shounen stories and find more satisfaction in seinen/shoujo stories (even triangle+plus ones). That's a very drippy brush to use though since some of my favorites have been shounen published.
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2013-06-18, 16:31 | Link #3845 |
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Vexx, your ideas and opinions are very interesting to read. I guess the reason some people may view your criticism in a negative light could be because it sounds partly too negative. Most people here are not authors like you and confronted with your points, they may find it too complicating, or as nitpicking on a high level. As for your thoughts on this 'horserace' stuff, I can understand that sentiment, especially if one has seen a lot of them (as you seem to have). I personally think it can be funny if done correctly. What annoys me would be the series which run too long and drag this 'horserace' into a marathon. In my opinion this 'horserace' stuff in Oreimo was in a acceptable range, as in my view it always came down to the question of Kuroneko or Kirino as love interests. I never gave Ayase or Manami (and Kanako doesn't even need to get mentioned) a real shot, as I thought their actual interaction with Kyousuke was not enough and the clues not strong enough.
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2013-06-18, 17:09 | Link #3846 |
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everyone is trying to interpret the meaning of the series while i'm just here imagining the new members of the otaka club. i would imagine two members that are twins. one of them is a girl who's into a lot of shounem and enjoys mecha anime to the point she has a fetish for robot sex. the other twin is actually a guy who heard about this club from his sister and wanted to join. but due to him being a guy he ends up cross dressing and tries convince himself that this would increase his espers powers due to the cosmic world teling him it would allow him to predict peoples mind. he takes this so seriously that he says outrages claims about people that are not true through his observation. one observation he makes is that kirino and kyosuke are dating.
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2013-06-18, 17:58 | Link #3848 |
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I'd like to know what was Kyousuke planes for his future?
We get a lot of info on the other characters. From them saying what they would like or Kyousuke saying how skilled they are like Manami is with cooking. With Kyousuke nothing was it in the being and I missed it or is it never brought up. Other then going to school did he have a dream other then hooking up with a underclassman and his sister |
2013-06-18, 21:38 | Link #3851 | |
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(But, if Kirino is hanging out with Ruri's sisters, then it certainly suggests that the two families are still friends.)
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2013-06-18, 23:10 | Link #3852 | |
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2013-06-18, 23:38 | Link #3853 |
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Very sad...
I'm very sad if the "10 years" is just it.
I really wish the author would give us at least a single hint about the future life of Kyosuke too... or possibly just one clue of how he interacts with Kirino ten years later... The overal future scenario seems blurred... after the end remains a sense that something is missing, or incomplete... |
2013-06-18, 23:43 | Link #3854 | |
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The other characters beside her, Kanako, and Bridgette didn't look any different there though.
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2013-06-18, 23:45 | Link #3855 | |
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Something like that will never be in Dengeki Bunko, and I doubt it will be bundled with any BDs since Aniplex probably doesn't want to go there either. It's best you do not get your hopes up for something like that ever coming, officially. If there ever was something like that, it would end up being like: Kirino and Kyousuke are living together. And that's it, no romance stuff, no confirmation of anything, just more ambiguous stuff. There would still be no conclusion, but I guess they could hammer it home hard enough to the point it gets hard to deny. Who knows what they will do though, maybe nothing. |
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2013-06-19, 00:18 | Link #3856 | |
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2013-06-19, 04:35 | Link #3859 | |
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I'm not asking too much. Right? Right? ...will squeeze in joy if that happens.....
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