Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Of course it would be;
Satou-sensei is using both reality and SF~
Program isnt a good word to describe Tatsuya's care for Miyuki; Miyuki is Tatsuya's linchpin to sanity; if even Miyuki dies Tatsuya will loose his reason to live unless someone will bare responsibility to his life.

It's still fiction and incest in real life happens, both good and bad incest.

Let's imagine for a second that Miyuki dies (P.S.Will never use that idea in a fanfiction even if I am held atgunpoint), can you name anyone who is willing and capable of carrying Tatsuya's emotional baggage and mental instability?

P.S.pampz21: Go straight to the explanation, everyone in the thread knows your answer when ask that type of question.....

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

It's still fiction and incest in real life happens, both good and bad incest.

Let's imagine for a second that Miyuki dies (P.S.Will never use that idea in a fanfiction even if I am held atgunpoint), can you name anyone who is willing and capable of carrying Tatsuya's emotional baggage and mental instability?

P.S.pampz21: Go straight to the explanation, everyone in the thread knows your answer when ask that type of question.....

You think I'll answer Erika?
We all know Erika is fragile beside Tatsuya is one of her linchpin already.

A possible candidate would be Maya herself.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by pampz21

You think I'll answer Erika?
We all know Erika is fragile beside Tatsuya is one of her linchpin already.

A possible candidate would be Maya herself.

I thought you'd answer Erika. I'm actually kind of disappointed.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by pampz21

You think I'll answer Erika?
We all know Erika is fragile beside Tatsuya is one of her linchpin already.

A possible candidate would be Maya herself.

OH MY GOD, THE WORLD IS ENDING...PAMPZ DIDN'T SIDE WITH ERIKA....HEAD FOR COVER.......

Maya is too similar to Tatsuya.....They are both methodical, pessimistic, practical, and far, far from being normal...

To me, Maya is the female version of Tatsuya, only with emotions

Meaning, Maya would sooner use Tatsuya until she runs him dry

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by Kartaen

Well, thats true. But I have some doubts about it after reading Miyuki's thoughts in volume 11. Tatsuya depends too, but he was programmed this way.

Also the reason why I don't like incest is that I have a sister. Just my moral principles
And yeah, their relationship is quite boring for couple. You maybe love this kind of relationship, but that not for me
In my opinion, Mayumi, Lina or Erica is better suited to Tatsuya

Miyuki doesn't really need Tatsuya but she is doing it on purpose, she wants to seem unreliable. I am sure she can do everything by herself but she just doesn't want to be without him, Tatsuya however doesn't depend on her, he can live without her as long as she is in security and happy but Miyuki will never be happy without him, they are stuck together.

Originally Posted by Riddam

Spoiler for This guy Echizen:

Taurus silver only advanced the casting times of Specialized CADs. Miyuki uses a generalized one. So I didn't understand why you were saying that there's a huge difference between the CADs then and the CADs now(3 years), when we're talking about Miyukis activation speed. I presume that you just didn't know that.

Spoiler for This guy Echizen:

I am not sure if he only advanced the speed of specialized CADs but he published his findings and it permitted to make advance the CAD technology as a whole, FLT is not the only CAD maker, it is normal to think the generalized CAD speed advanced as well, of course they are't as fast as the specialized's one.
Even if we don’t take it into account, Miyuki’s casting speed could not be as fast as her speed in 2096, she must be way faster now. In this case, opting for magic without CAD is better than try to use one.

Sigh, I don't really feel like browsing through the novel for quotes but since you're being so stubborn here's an excerpt about Miyuki: "Although she couldn't draw data directly from the dimension of information like Tatsuya, it was possible to perceive the traces of event modification left by magic. This was something any magician could do at varying levels, and anything a magician could do Miyuki could do at the highest level."
And there really are so many others in the same vein. You could probably find some line praising Miyukis outstanding talent in every volume if you wanted to. You simply have an incorrect understanding if you think Miyuki is exceptional in only Wide area magic and Ice magic, in terms of raw magical talent, she is probably the greatest in the series (I feel like I've said this already). The fact that her emotions can actually affect her surroundings is proof of this. You'll have to look this one up yourself, but it's mentioned that, that's a sign of an exceptional talent in magic (or something similar).

You know, I always pay extra attention to what Tsutomu writes about Miyuki because he always turn everything up to 11 when it’s her, at this point he can’t make her seem more perfect, she is praised to the max anytime, I understand why some persons say they are sick of it. But Tsutomu never said that her raw talent was superior to other 10MC magicians, you won’t find a quote like that. About that quote in bold, it says it was something any magician, any magician could do, meaning that even BS magicians can do this, since BS magicians can’t use regular magic, there is no reason to think her speed or gravity magic is the best in the world.
I didn’t say she is exceptional only at wide area magic and ice magic, I said she is unbeatable in these 2 categories, being a Yotsuba, her skills in others area of magic are above average as well but she is not obligatorily at the top, there are areas where she is less good compared to others magicians of the 28 families.
That emotion thing is also said to be a sign of immaturity but it’s confirmed that it happens only because she is Tatsuya’s limiter, if she wasn’t it would never happen. I will take Lina as an example, actually, she helped Miyuki to become a lot stronger, her discussion with Tatsuya confirmed this, in her class, she never felt competition, if Lina was a permanent classroom Miyuki would be way stronger than she is now.
During their competition, they were said to have equal magic power(this term is ambiguous, there are at least 3 definitions known at this point) but since they talked about Interference and Speed, I guess they were talking about the new accepted system. Let’s compare:
If Miyuki’s interference strength is 10 and Lina’s casting speed is 10, it means their magic tolerance is equal, let’s say it’s 8. Miyuki’s interference strength is better than Lina’s, meaning that Lina’s interference strength is 9 at best, same for Miyuki’s casting speed. That alone is enough to say that she is not the best at every category. According to you, Miyuki would have 10 at everything. 9 is not the highest level.

No, we can't. But Miyuki won the fight in quite a dominant fashion. And I didn't find nearly enough indication that Lina would do better in a rematch to justify saying that she'd be favored. In any case saying Lina wouldn't lose 10 times out of 10 is a much more reasonable claim than saying that Miyuki isn't an elite among elites.

Dominant, yes, but not because her raw talent is superior to Lina, it’s because her tactical approach was better and also because of the other handicaps I cited , at least you finally agree with me about the victory ratio. Both Miyuki and Lina are elite among elites.


It's like you're completely confused. It's hard to even understand what you're trying to say.
I said that lets take a look at the freshmen now, and compare them to Miyuki when she was a freshman. Because, naturally if you train you get stronger over time, so we can eliminate the 2nd year "edge" Miyuki has over them now. But then you go on about Mayumi and Mari being stronger than Miyuki, and contradictions? I really feel like I have to keep everything I say really simple for you, or you'll fly right off the tracks. Sorry but you'll have to explain to me what exactly you mean by what you're saying here to help me explain, I see there's some misunderstanding.

How do I interpret this? Did you already forget that we're talking about Miyuki here? in the quote, Takuma is upset over how big a difference there is between him and the upperclassmen, even though there's only a year difference.

Does it change something? We know Tomitsuka is weaker than Miyuki, what Shippou said can be extended to Miyuki as well, Tatsuya had handicaps in that fight, especially for someone who mainly fights with superpowers and taijutsu, in a fight without rules he would destroy Tomitsuka, the rules would not hinder Miyuki since she fights with regular magic, she would stomp Tomitsuka.Tomitsuka was a Course 1 student and belongs to the 100 families, he is talented but it pales in comparison to the talent of the 28 families. The twins and Shippou raw talent is far higher than him.

Why would I disagree with their magical talent being higher? I should think so, although the reason Tomitsuka isn't good at traditional magic is because of the Psion armor, hypothetically, if it was removed, he could turn out to be very talented as well.
But saying they'll be able to beat him with proper training is just a guess(we saw Tomitsuka easily beat Takuma just last Voulme). The Shippou speciality is a bad match, and a fight between any of the twins and Tomitsuka, would probably have more to do with experience and speed than anything. I will say though, that they have much more room to improve than Tomitsuka, so it's entirely possible that they'll be able to beat him, stomp is not the word to use though.

Tomitsuka is good at magic but can’t use long range magic, he was a Course 1 student, as I said above, his raw talent pales in comparison to the 28 families. So far, all fights involving a talented magician against the most talented magicians of all time, the master clans have been a stomp, see the 9SC. Mari and Naotsugu are exceptions because they are geniuses at magic arts.

What's a contradiction? Saying Saegusa are all-rounders? Saying that they're not particularly talented at controlling multiple magics? I wonder if you actually understand the word.


Miyuki has no weaknesses in any area and can do everything concerning magic "at the highest level". This doesn't prove that they're more talented then her, that's just what you want to believe.


So going by what you just said, why do you think they'll reach the level of Miyuki? It's not based on logic, I can tell you that.

My bad, I forgot to add outstanding for Shippou and the twins. To reach her level they need to train more and more and more. Magic is too vast, you can’t say Miyuki masters everything, she has a lot of spells which corresponds to her 2 specialties and she fights with these weapons.
This is how it is in general: 28 families = outstanding talent, 100 families = talent.
Erika is a Course 2 probably because her mother wasn’t a talented magician, but she is a gifted swordswoman. Someone can lack magical talent but excels at other areas like Tatsuya, who is the best user of counter magic and have strong superpowers. There are also people with a talent at magic even if they are not from the 100 families like Mikihiko, Kirihara, Shizuku, Honoka. Their raw talent, however is not even close to those of the 28 families.
There are gifted magicians among augmented magicians too, Honami and Minami= outstanding talent.

Uh, Miyuki is talented because of her ancestry? Is this somehow revolutionary?

And yes I said she isn't better than Minami at that. Doesn't the fact that I wrote that in, mean that I think so? That's in my original statement, "Miyuki is better at everything that they could do (except for Minami's barrier magic)."
For you this means they're all equal in talent? Or are you going somewhere with this? It sounds like complete rambling.

Miyuki just has better genes, predisposed or not. You saying he has more talent there is rubbish, what's in the novel states that Miyuki is able to use more advanced magic of the same category, with ease. It's silly to think this a a practice issue, when Takuma has had a lot more training in it than Miyuki. You're either going to accept it or not, I'm not going to try to convince you here.

Miyuki is a Yotsuba, her ancestors were Yotsuba, genes= talents, so Miyuki is talented because of her genes, logical. Honami was the only Sakura with genes of the quality of the 28 families, Minami inherited her genes, her genes have high value and permits her to compete with these strong families. So Miyuki and Honami’s genes are comparable, logical. Plus Minami received harsh training, everything suggests that she has the level of 1st year Miyuki at least.
You don’t know to what extent Shippou trained, the Honoka/Shizuku discussion clearly mentioned that the twins don’t train a lot because of their outsanding talent. Thanks to Miyuki, who used a magic far more difficult that Million Edge before his eyes and the fights he witnessed, Shippou got more motivated to train, it’s like Miyuki when she encountered Lina.He thinks he must be the strongest, with the outstanding talent that he has, he probably never felt competition before. Herd control is a piece of cake for someone of his bloodline and yet Miyuki outclassed him, he didn’t need to train more to outclasses magicians who are only talented. Even with his moderate training, he was first, the twins where slightly behind him and the others far behind, Minami held back, she would have been first otherwise according to the Shiba siblings.

All a change in fighting style needs, is for you to do something that you normally wouldn't. And again, we were talking about how accurate an assessment Mari and Mayumi are able to give. Google "Change".

A "change in fighting style" is different from "changing fighting styles". The latter is what you referenced with your Close quarter combat comment.

If you're having trouble with this then I'll give you an example: When you're judging fighters in a boxing match, and you're told that the maximum amount of weight the other fighter can lift is only 150kg (but he can actually lift 300), does it not affect your judgement? This is as simple as it gets. The seal affects, at the very least the scale, control and power of Miyukis magic.

I don’t think I will ever agree with this. For you, inventing or using a new technique means a change of fighting style so, when Tatsuya created Far Strike, his fighting style changed? If you think it changed then I can’t agree with you.
If the boxer can lift 300 in reality and that I am aware of it, I will pay more attention to his blows but that’s all, it only means he is physically stronger. In the case of Miyuki, they never estimated her power and many persons saw her at her best during the Yokohama arc.

...As I said, what does this have to do with exhaustion? This stuff can't be that hard to comprehend. Out of what you just said here; Rational decisions, underestimating, initiative, being calmer, none have anything to do with Lina being exhausted. These are all areas that Miyuki is superior in. All your quote does is say that Lina was getting fatigued.

If she was exhausted, surely that it affected her attacks, stamina, speed and many other things, don’t you think so?

So why are you telling me that Heavy metal burst isn't a "kamikaze attack" without Brionac, when we're talking about the Miyuki - Lina fight?
What I said was that she didn't have Brionac for the fight, and you replied that she doesn't need Brionac to use Heavy metal burst, to which I again replied that what use would a "nuke", be in the fight.
It's like everything you say is completely pointless.

You said she would die if she had used HMB against Miyuki, she wouldn't she would put herself at a reasonable distance and use it, killing many persons in the process.

What I'm referring to is how irrelevant Honoka being able to target 4 people at the same time is, if you're comparing Honoka to Miyuki. And again you're having a bit of a moment on your own here. What I said was that the reason Miyuki is almost impossible to defeat, is the combination of her uncontested magic, along with Cocytus, which has no conventional defense. This is my 2nd time saying this exact thing to you (and probably won't be the last).

The only person who's said anything about Cocytus being unstoppable is you. Even in terms of unique magic, Tatsuya's level of decomposition is more versatile, while Mayas meteor stream serves more or less the same purpose. It's not the point.

And you see, when, you know of these conventional defenses, is when you actually have an argument. Right now you're just wasting time. And you'll get just as far arguing that the Bigfoot, exists. You know it might, I'm not saying that, but you'll have to prove that to me. If it's uncommon, it's not conventional.
Also Counter-magic is different from Defensive magic. Cast jamming is counter magic, gram dispersion is counter magic. Phalanx is defensive magic.

"It's the combination of having Cocytus, to which there is no conventional defense, as well as having unparalleled magical ability. "
-The original point.

Ok, so let’s change unstoppable with “ which has no conventional defense”, Cocytus, Evil Eye and Azusayumi have no conventional defense(which is false). I said many times that Miyuki’s magic is not uncontested.Phalanx is THE ultimate counter, only MS can bypass this AFAIK.

The speed magic really is, top class. But I guess you didn't realize the quote is talking about actual speeds, not casting speeds? His acceleration is magic assisted.

Yes, and the casting speed or the speed of a magic varies, considering his fighting style and him being a genius at CQC, Naotsugu is probably far better at speed magic than Miyuki. You can’t deny that, if you are able to attack someone before he can even think about it, it means the opponent won’t have the time to think” I will cast my magic”.

Why are biological brothers around the same height? Tatsuya is extremely talented, just on a very narrow spectrum, your comparison would make sense if Tatsuya was incapable of magic at all.

Biological brothers aren’t always around the same height. Tatsuya was unable to use regular magic, her mother gave him another MCA, which permits him to use C-rank magic. Tatsuya can use Gram spells but Miyuki can’t. Their psion counts can be top tiers but if Miyuki’s psion count was comparable to Tatsuya’s she would have been wrapped by a rstorm of psions too. The seal only halves her Mental Interference magic(which renders her unable to use Cocytus) and her magic control, her spells aren’t more powerful.

Saying they're able to reach her level is a lot different from saying, they're in the same "ballpark". that can be interpreted a bit differently.
We've already gone over the freshmen - Miyuki scenario, they'll never be opponents that're difficult for Miyuki if she uses Cocytus. If we're talking about a fight without it, then what I can say is that they'll probably force Miyuki to concentrate on the fight, but they'll never be able to defeat her. The potential that you haven't been taking into account during this whole discussion is that of Miyukis and of the Yotsuba. They're an exception even among the 10 families. You should have no reason to believe that the students of other families will be able to "outgrow" Miyuki.

While saying Minami, is the "Miyuki of this year", would be overkill. I do think she'll turn out the strongest, although I would actually like to see what she can do in a fight first. Everything is only speculation at this point. Tomitsuka's Gram demolition armor is effective against barrier magic, so until I see what she can do I'll disagree on that match-up, but I could see her beating Hanzo.

Hanzo is stated to be stronger than Tomitsuka, even if you don’t believe it, Sawaki, his direct superior is stronger than him. You said it yourself, Cocytus is not unstoppable, the freshmen are still growing, Miyuki too but they have much more room to improve than her. I am not talking about Miyuki VS the trio as they are now, I am talking about Miyuki VS the trio when they will be much, much stronger, they will be difficult opponents, they won’t be stronger than her but logically thinking, with their outstanding talent it’s possible to surpass her.
From what I am reading here you think Cocytus= instant win, this is a MI magic, there are conventional or whatever you call it counters for MI magic, a lot of magicians use it at USNA and they are still weaker than Lina, the difference is that Cocytus is the strongest MI magic.

Yeah, you got it right. Odd that I didn't notice that.
I think it's mentioned at least two times that they both have an exceptional Psion count, here's one. "At that time, the standards for power of Magicians emphasized the psion count within the Magician's body (which included both the physical body and the mental "body") rather than focusing on the speed of Magic Sequence construction. By the old standards, both Tatsuya and Miyuki's psion count would rate as top tier."
The conclusion is really just a natural one. At this point we would have already read about Tatsuya's psion count being higher if there was a relevant difference.


You could be right, It's been a while since cast jamming came up. Just from the top of my head I remembered reading about Antinite being used by non-magicians and the military.


That's true, although calling them conventional is a stretch, the gram spells are very rare, gram dispersion being supposedly only theoretical. Also I can't recall the description you mentioned, can you link it to me.

We aren't talking about counter magic either (although I understand how one could get confused, the conversation is not very coherent). We're talking about how Cocytus passes traditional defenses, and by continuation magical defenses.
I consider counter magic unconventional in and of itself. Only Tatsuya actively uses it, I guess if you count her Zone interference Miyuki counts as well. And Tomitsuka, while not actively "using" counter magic, is able to utilize it.

It has never been stated that COcytus bypasses magical defenses.

Originally Posted by Jirachier

I don't know whether to be happy or confused by the new PV, I actually thought a lot about this. I really kind of liked PV3 except..WHY IS TATSUYA SHOOTING MB FROM HIS FINGER????
as for PV4, all I have to say is damn you Miyuki, damn you.

We've seen scenes from volume 8 there, so I'm wondering if they're actually gonna finish with it. We can be sure that they definitely won't end with volume 5 considering it's all side stories, i mean you can't spam several episodes in a row that have nothing happening in them as the final episodes of an anime season, they can't even put them in between the episodes of the first 4 volumes cos they'd be spoiling stuff, so I'm hoping there won't be a single episode for vol5. It would be really weird though if they decide to end it at volume 4 with 26 episodes because in the first two volumes(vol 1 especially), not much is happening and they shouldn't even need more than 8 episodes MAX for them, which leaves 18 episodes to do the competition arc and that would be stretching the material which is just as bad as rushing it.
If they decide to end it with volume 8, I don't know but just MAYBE it's feasible if they do something like :
- 3 episodes for volume 1
- 3 episodes for volume 2
- 4 episodes each for volume 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8

They should stop at V07 IMO, it would be better. For V05, Summer Break and Presidential Elections and the Queen must definitely be adapted.

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

OH MY GOD, THE WORLD IS ENDING...PAMPZ DIDN'T SIDE WITH ERIKA....HEAD FOR COVER.......

Maya is too similar to Tatsuya.....They are both methodical, pessimistic, practical, and far, far from being normal...

To me, Maya is the female version of Tatsuya, only with emotions

Meaning, Maya would sooner use Tatsuya until she runs him dry

I agree Maya would use Tatsuya, as she is already using him, but i am not convinced she would just run him dry.

Even if we discard the hypothesis where Maya actually cares for Tatsuya, simply pragmatism, hunger for power and self preservation would make her take Tatsuya in and keep his emmotional package under control as long as she can.

And i think Maya would have the fortitude and the will to handle Tatsuya's issues (issues? more like lifetime subscription).

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by Kartaen

Well, thats true. But I have some doubts about it after reading Miyuki's thoughts in volume 11. Tatsuya depends too, but he was programmed this way.

Also the reason why I don't like incest is that I have a sister. Just my moral principles
And yeah, their relationship is quite boring for couple. You maybe love this kind of relationship, but that not for me
In my opinion, Mayumi, Lina or Erica is better suited to Tatsuya

And you have every right to enjoy this series and push for any ship as you please. I love all the little discussions that goes around here. Still, there's this feeling I have that those who have a problem with Miyuki are simply bothered by the fact that she is Tatsuya's sister. If she was a childhood friend, they wouldn't be complaining.


I mean, I have a sister too. Doesn't stop me from loving aniXimouto romances.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by anonfr

I thought you'd answer Erika. I'm actually kind of disappointed.

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

OH MY GOD, THE WORLD IS ENDING...PAMPZ DIDN'T SIDE WITH ERIKA....HEAD FOR COVER.......

Maya is too similar to Tatsuya.....They are both methodical, pessimistic, practical, and far, far from being normal...

To me, Maya is the female version of Tatsuya, only with emotions

Meaning, Maya would sooner use Tatsuya until she runs him dry

Oi oi, Dont misunderstand me#!
Erika worth more than a linchpin Dont take that as an insult; my Miyuki shippers

[NutShell]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

It's still fiction and incest in real life happens, both good and bad incest.

Let's imagine for a second that Miyuki dies (P.S.Will never use that idea in a fanfiction even if I am held atgunpoint), can you name anyone who is willing and capable of carrying Tatsuya's emotional baggage and mental instability?

P.S.pampz21: Go straight to the explanation, everyone in the thread knows your answer when ask that type of question.....

rather than that i more interested in how Miyuki die?

maybe she was stabbed by Honoka from behind while Tatsuya in a lovey dovey scane with Erika (Erika ensnare Tatsuya and she joint force with Honoka to defeat Miyuki )

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

And you have every right to enjoy this series and push for any ship as you please. I love all the little discussions that goes around here. Still, there's this feeling I have that those who have a problem with Miyuki are simply bothered by the fact that she is Tatsuya's sister. If she was a childhood friend, they wouldn't be complaining.


I mean, I have a sister too. Doesn't stop me from loving aniXimouto romances.

Don't you ship them justly because she is her sister? If she wasn't , they would have not played with his emotions, that's because she is her sister that Tatsuya interacts like that with her.
If she wasn't her sister, how would Miyuki be? We don't know, she could not act as she is now and Tatsuya would not respond to her love as he does. He would not pat her head or embrace her everytime.

Miyuki can only exist as Tatsuya's sister, her character depends on him since the day he saved her.

[Raskreia]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Miyuki doesn't really need Tatsuya but she is doing it on purpose, she wants to seem unreliable. I am sure she can do everything by herself but she just doesn't want to be without him, Tatsuya however doesn't depend on her, he can live without her as long as she is in security and happy but Miyuki will never be happy without him, they are stuck together.

Tatsuya does depend on Miyuki, it is just not as blatantly obvious. He even said it himself that out of the two of them that he is the more dependant one.

From Vol 5

As Miyuki's eyes animatedly brightened or filled with frustration, Tatsuya's own eyes twinkled warmly. Whether inborn or acquired, imprinted by others or nurtured by himself, the fact was as long as Miyuki was there it wouldn't matter if they were in the city or in the mountains; he would be the same.

It was the one thing he truly wanted. As long as she was beside him, whatever the conditions didn't matter; this was something anyone who knew his circumstances could understand full well. Both Miyuki and Tatsuya depended heavily upon one another, but perhaps more on Tatsuya's side than the other.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Requiem-x

...well, guess I have to eat my words now. There IS a chance we'll be getting to Vol. 8 if the PVs are anything to go by.

Or they're simply teasing this to strongly hint on "Tatsuya is a hidden badass" in order to lock in viewers. Still... Reminiscence arc could be placed at any time. There's no real need to keep it in the LN sequence.

Also, DAMN, that fourth PV. Tatsuya looks smooth as hell when calming Miyuki down. Unfortunately, I can already guarantee a lot of people will be sick of Miyuki's attitude from day one.

Agreed. Which is why I strongly hope that they're not overdoing this. There's much more to Miyuki as being pretty and brocon, so I strongly hope they're showing her capable/scary side, too.

Still, the way they are playing this, Miyuki will be the most controversial character of the show. Uh oh.

[pampz21]

I dont believe vol. 8 will be animated maybe some parts; but dont forget vol.8 is a foreshadowing of vol.9 where USNA is looking for the Strategic Class Mage, that is Tatsuya; they might put Tatsuya using MB but other than that vol.8 is still chronologically part of the story!~

[Ultragunner]

and don't forget the direct confrontation between Maya and Tatsuya , it would be really out of place if vol 8 were to be put somewhere else

[Riddam]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Meaningless text.

Ok, so I read your post. And while all of your points were easily answerable you keep getting more and more sidetracked on each. What you do is, you agree you were wrong on the original point and get stuck on something else that seems to be based on some unfounded conclusion of yours. And considering how you think your opinions are more credible than what's in the novels, I fail to see the value of this conversation.

In any case in this post you just admitted what I've been telling you since the beginning.
"Both Miyuki and Lina are elite among elites.", I doubt you're able to to remember that this is the disagreement. You were saying Miyuki is just like any magician from the 10 families. And while there hasn't been a "direct" quote about Miyuki's talent being superior to each and every member of the 10 families, there have been multiple quotes in that vein(like the one I just gave you but you ignored). If you asked Tsutomu he'd probably say that Miyuki is 10 in every category and 11 in Zone interference (0-10).

Something in general that you don't seem to understand about arguing about fictional works.
You'll very rarely find "direct" quotes about issues such as these, for example it's never been stated "Iron Man" is more intelligent than "The Thing" but you'll see no one arguing otherwise, the judgement is based on what we've seen from each character. You have to keep in mind that if you keep saying you'll never accept it, unless there's a quote stating exactly that, then everything you say is meaningless as well because none of it can be proven by a direct quote. In your case though, you don't even have quotes that would remotely insinuate that you're correct.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by pampz21

I dont believe vol. 8 will be animated maybe some parts; but dont forget vol.8 is a foreshadowing of vol.9 where USNA is looking for the Strategic Class Mage, that is Tatsuya; they might put Tatsuya using MB but other than that vol.8 is still chronologically part of the story!~

I do feel like Volume 8 is perfect to an after series OVA.

The whole format just seems like it'd be perfect for an OVA in general, as opposed to a multi episode arc. The whole volume takes place in a single present day event, focusing on flashbacks. If it was just an OVA instead of a multi episode arc it would be perfect to announce if there's any fore coming seasons without disrupting story progress at all.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by Riddam

Ok, so I read your post. And while all of your points were easily answerable you keep getting more and more sidetracked on each.

If it's so easy to answer then please do because when I read that you consider it as a meaningless post and say that I ignored your famous quote. I can't believe it.

What you do is, you agree you were wrong on the original point and get stuck on something else that seems to be based on some unfounded conclusion of yours. And considering how you think your opinions are more credible than what's in the novels, I fail to see the value of this conversation.

In any case in this post you just admitted what I've been telling you since the beginning.
"Both Miyuki and Lina are elite among elites.", I doubt you're able to to remember that this is the disagreement. You were saying Miyuki is just like any magician from the 10 families.

This is not the disagreement. You said Miyuki is the best at anything concerning magic, that just is not possible, magic is too complex. Do you even know how much magicians exist? Your vision of elite is small. Japan is not one of the strongest magic country for nothing.

There are 9 schools, 1300 new students are recruited per years.
1st high, second high and 3rd high recruit 200 new magicians per years, 100 are Course 1 students and 100 are Course 2. The others don't do distinction.

The Course 1 students are the elite. And what I call the elite among elites are the best of the bests, to be the best of the bests you naturally need outstanding magical talent and who are the most talented? Obviously the magicians from the 28 families. Shizuku, Honoka and Kirihara belong to the elite.
Remember too that among the magicians, the most gifted don't necessarily go to school or they aren't of Miyuki's generation. During Tatsuya's 9SC, 1st high had 4 members of the 28 families( no wonder they won easily, Tatsuya's engineer skills helped too but still) while in the 8 other schools, there was only Masaki. There is no doubt that the students competing were considered as the elite in their schools and yet, they have been humiliated by pure, raw talent.
Tatsuya, Miyuki, Katsuto, Masaki, Mayumi are elite among elites, the gap beyond them and the elite is just too big, they can train how they want, they can't level up their genes.
In the new 9SC, 4th high will have 2 persons who are the elite among elites too, you know who they are, 1st will have 6. I can guarantee you that even if Shippou got stomped by his senpais, he is way stronger that anyone of "the elite" and of his generation, the results of his school put him already way above anyone but the twins and 1st high exams are the most difficult.

And while there hasn't been a "direct" quote about Miyuki's talent being superior to each and every member of the 10 families, there have been multiple quotes in that vein(like the one I just gave you but you ignored). If you asked Tsutomu he'd probably say that Miyuki is 10 in every category and 11 in Zone interference (0-10).

That just prove how much of a fanboy you are, not only that you are guessing the author response like that but you are telling me that she has skills rated 11/10? Beyond perfection? Really? Is Miyuki a goddess or something?

Something in general that you don't seem to understand about arguing about fictional works.
You'll very rarely find "direct" quotes about issues such as these, for example it's never been stated "Iron Man" is more intelligent than "The Thing" but you'll see no one arguing otherwise, the judgement is based on what we've seen from each character. You have to keep in mind that if you keep saying you'll never accept it, unless there's a quote stating exactly that, then everything you say is meaningless as well because none of it can be proven by a direct quote. In your case though, you don't even have quotes that would remotely insinuate that you're correct.

You tell me that there are a lot of quotes who mention it and know that you don't read it easily . That Iron is smarter than The Thing is obvious but compare him with Reed Richards and people will have good arguments, no matter with who they side.

[Lucarion]

Here's an idea:

What if instead of volume 5, they decide to adapt the Okinawa parts of volume 8? Placing it in the middle of the 9 Schools Arc and the Yokohama Arc?

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

Here's an idea:

What if instead of volume 5, they decide to adapt the Okinawa parts of volume 8? Placing it in the middle of the 9 Schools Arc and the Yokohama Arc?

It doesn't sound like a bad idea. Though I feel like the student council election chapter from Volume 5 is at the very least the one necessary chapter that needs to be there.

I still feel like Volume 8 is perfect OVA material though.

[pampz21]

BTW We are getting carried away with the anime...
From what I remember we get the anime by April 4th and the LN at 10th?

EDIT: Clearly no love for Morisaki; he looks like a character from 2005~

Mizuki has alot of lines in the PV~