2011-05-18, 03:46 | Link #10441 | |
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Or was it because Fiamma had set the 'negativity of the world' as his enemy, that's why it had failed? And that's what Aleister's meant by the wrong method?
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2011-05-18, 05:19 | Link #10442 |
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Aleister did not point out which exact step that Fiamma messed up on.
But we can point out the two differences between Fiamma and Aleister. First, Fiamma does not comprehend the true essence of the Right Hand, the IB, and the entity inside Touma. Although Fiamma can comprehend them, he failed to do so due to his outdated Aeon. Second, Fiamma is only trying to refresh or re-tune the world into a clean state without applying his own vision into this reconstruction of world order and still uses Christianity to run the world after the resonctsruction. Fiamma is following the god's blue print but Aleister is trying to replace that blue print with something else. My own assumption on what Fiamma had messed up base on the above two points: 1. Taking Touma's right hand might not be the right thing to do. Or he didn't use the right hand in a correct manner. 2. Following the god's blue print limited Fiamma's own power output. Aren't you trying to be La Persona superiore a Dio? Then why are you still following the god's rule? And I think the killer is the second point. Fiamma didn't think outside of the box. Setting the "negativity of the world" as his enemy is an extension of this short sightedness. He still value his power against this world of god, when he could disregard this world entirely and transcends above it. So, despite all his effort and achieving god like power, he screwed up because he chose to be a mortal. |
2011-05-18, 06:36 | Link #10444 | |
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Whether he is to be replaced or not, I'm not sure, but we can assume that Osiris=AbrahamicRule (Monotheism) Horus=Beyond Religion (hence magic).
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2011-05-18, 06:37 | Link #10445 |
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He want to achieve something he could not do with magic. Magic is about borowing power, maximaly you can borrow power from god -> in other words become god. He aims higher than that - to suppras god. The only reason i could though of, is that becoming god will not allow you to alter laws already set by god. Something like conflict of omnipotence : by creating a law you cut off part of your omnipotence and can no longer alter it because the being that set those laws before was more omnipotent that you are now.
Considering the above I personaly think he wants to do somethink utterly stupid. Something like traveling back in time to alter destiny of his deceased lover. Or something similar involving travel back in time, because traveling back in time should not be possible (in other words - prohibited by god) |
2011-05-18, 06:52 | Link #10446 | |
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So yeah, I agree with your assumption. By destroying the current hierarchy centered on Abrahamic Monotheism and its layers of magical castes, perhaps Aleister is looking toward a new "heaven". |
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2011-05-18, 06:55 | Link #10447 | |
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2011-05-18, 07:20 | Link #10449 | |
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The nontrinitarian approach gives yield to the possibility that the Father occupies the Center Seat, and Son the Right Seat, and the Holy Spirit either occupying neither/both (being omnipresent and thus occupying both seats simultaneously and in conjunction to the other two) or occupying a Left Seat. Or something to that effect.
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2011-05-18, 07:23 | Link #10450 | |
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The Roman Catholics believes that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, while the the Eastern Orthodox does not recognize the Son part (saying only "from the Father"). Basically, the Catholics elevated the Son (Jesus) above the Spirit (very small difference, but still a difference nevertheless), which the Orthodox does not recognize. Meanwhile, any specific mentions by the Protestants on this issue is concluded by saying that the Spirit is sent from the Father, by the Son, thereby avoiding the entire argument. So yes, even if the basic idea of the Trinity remains the same, the ever slight differences within the power relations of the Father, Son, and Spirit according to the various sects keeps the definition of the Trinity ever in dispute, and this doesn't even include the nontrinitarian arguments. |
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2011-05-18, 07:28 | Link #10451 |
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I would check about it, thanks for the info, which the holy trinity does give me the idea that the IB is "The holy spirit" because even "The son of god" had to be purified by John the Baptist with the holy spirit comming to "Purify and cleanse god".
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2011-05-18, 07:32 | Link #10452 |
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One can spend a lifetime studying just the Holy Trinity. I've had the experience to study the various dogmas due to the fact that my mother's family is Roman Catholic, and my second cousin/fiance's mother is Protestant.
Anyway, I think unless we get more info on the exact power structure of the Angels, it will take some time for us to figure out exactly what was wrong with Fiamma's plan, and the exact position of Aiwass within this power structure. |
2011-05-18, 07:36 | Link #10453 | |
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Hm... Son of God = Holy Right Holy Spirit = Imagine Breaker God the Father = ? Maybe there's a third Right Hand out there somewhere?
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2011-05-18, 07:44 | Link #10454 | |
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Maybe I'm thinking too dogmatically. |
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2011-05-18, 07:48 | Link #10455 |
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Well if you go by the "Right Hand That Creates Miracles" (Holy Right) and the "Right Hand That Destroys Miracles" (Imagine Breaker) approach, they're really two sides of the same coin: Power over miracles. On the other hand (pun not intended), IB is technically a feat of the Right Hand, so it could have come from HR.
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2011-05-18, 07:53 | Link #10456 | |
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Then, we need to find the Father..... |
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2011-05-18, 09:38 | Link #10459 |
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Most likely we're going to see a clash between "western" (right is always the best hand) and the "eastern" (opposites needed for balance). I don't think the author would go that far make the story even more complex.
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