(L) Claymore Manga

[Tempest35]

...lolwut...? :crazy:

*in shock*

Spoiler for Prophet of Regret:

NANINANINANINANINANINANINANI!??!?!?!?!?? Bakana....Yurusanai!!!

*runs around like a headless chicken*

Who forced Yagi to end it so quickly!?!? There was at LEAST 50 more good chapters left in the story damnit!!!

...

This might actually get me to finish up 'Homecoming'... ><

[Ryus]

Chinese scan of ch 126 is out...

Spoiler for ch126:

seems more like an arc end to me but with a definitive end comment at the end and last page that could be viewed as a cheap end. Something is going on that is for sure be it arc end, series going on break, or its done (maybe with a spinoff series 2 to follow or maybe not)

[Newhope]

I doubt it's the end, but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if it is Yagi did say about 24 volumes, + Claymores popularity has been dropping pretty rapidly lately.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

TBF that's partly because Yagi been dragging this shit on too long while not actually really forwarding plot in a manner that concerns the main characters. Terresa, Clair, Priscilla and Raki were pretty much the core of this story from primary plot point of view and really all of them aside from Teresa (obviously due to her being dead) are being shafted in the plot progression for the past few dozens chapters.

Turning Priscilla into Aizen levels of overpoweredness didn't help things either.

Really the fact Yagi ended it it isn't really my issue with this, it's more this entire arc didn't need to happen or least not be focused on and should have been replaced with the final fight with Priscilla.

[Mizuno]

This is just sad. What a heartbreak for a faithful manga reader to see a good series given such a cheap end. How can I even take these long series seriously anymore?

Although there's still a slim chance he's just ending Claymore to fulfill that 24-25 volume thing, and he's going to start Claymore EX or something. >_>

[GundamZZ]

Sad ending.
Miria is cool, but I'm not her fan. It's especailly sad to see her displaying *&& to the crowd. It's also sad to see the crowd cheering. yeah. The last boss is over. The unicorn is trapped with Clare forever. Something is still missing, What an empty feeling.

[vansonbee]

Clare x Raki OR Clare x Yuri OR JUST CLARE having appearances in her own manga !

[Xellos-_^]

so anything on the tweets/facebook or author website?

[L in Hinamizawa]

Originally Posted by Mizuno

This is just sad. What a heartbreak for a faithful manga reader to see a good series given such a cheap end. How can I even take these long series seriously anymore?

Although there's still a slim chance he's just ending Claymore to fulfill that 24-25 volume thing, and he's going to start Claymore EX or something. >_>

I agree with you completely. Claymore was one of the very first anime(and then manga) I ever followed. If this is the final end, it's really sad.

I hope he at least makes Claymore EX as you suggested.
I really wanted to see the end of Claire and Raki's story.

[Bikerider]

Any one want to say TIME SKIP !!

[Ryus]

Spoiler for Chapter 126 Summaries both provided by God Eye Galatea of MH:

Chapter Summary:

- Dae recognized the face of the arm's owner (ghostly Priscilla) as the newly appointed No.2 who killed the then No.1, misinformation in the part where she was defeated by Isley in the north.
- Dae is going to look for the real body
- Raki told the Miria, Helen, and Deneve that when Cassandra, Roxanne, and Hysteria awakened everyone evacuated the organzation and it was empty
- Miria told Helen and Deneve to split up and if they find anyone from the organization kill them.
- Miria found the room where the dragon kin bodies are
- Rimuto explained that the dragon kin is a tribe that can awaken, but once they do much like the Claymore they can never go back
- The 2 awakened dragon kin bodies are alive and they are about 200 years old
- The awakened dragon kin's fresh was use on human to create yoma
- Miria argue about about the creation of Claymore was just a scheme to kill people and how the organization beat the rule of no human killing into Claymore, while Claymore are actually killing people who was turned into yoma by the organization
- Miria explained the Rimuto was the highest ranking member of the organization, everyone abandoned the organzation and he remain (like a captain that sink with his ship)
- Audrey praised Yuma and Cynthia that they can use the bit and pieces of their arms and legs and put them back together
- Yuma response is that to let her focus or else she will fail since she is not an expert like Cynthia, Audrey reply that being alive is enough even if Yuma fail

Side note:
Claymore - End seems like the end of "Claymore"
This is not a translation! lol
IMO, Since the existence of Claymore is all a lie by the organization perhaps the end of the organzation will mark a new name for the Claymore and the manga is renaming itself.

Side side note:
Raftela is no where to be seen, maybe she is dead
Audrey, Rachel, and Nina, have all the limbs reattached, good job Yuma and Cynthia!

Originally Posted by God Eye Galatea

I think Rimuto said the the organization keep the bodies of the Dragon kin alive so they won't go old but also they don't get stronger.
The dragon kin fresh is used on human to create yoma
Yoma fresh is fused with human to create Claymore
Claymore awakened to become awakened being
So the organization did create something like the dragon kin but not controllable
Dragon kin -> Yoma -> Claymore -> Awakened Being

Spoiler for My very very long speculation about it:

Originally Posted by Shiek927

What I want to know is, how strong are the Dragons in the first place? More then intellect or anything else, honestly, that's what I want to know next...I always had the without-evidence idea that they were like above-average AB's (say, Rigardo-powerful, at least the average dragon), but Ryus' initial analysis think they are more Priscilla/Teresa strong, which is unbelievable.

As stated before that was just me asking for clarification while only have moments to scan the summery then later being able to post a quick reply and it was only one thing I was trying to figure out (there power vs the powerhouses and AO and ABs).

Anyways here is what I'm leaning towards atm. It was stated

Rimuto explained that the dragon kin is a tribe that can awaken, but once they do much like the Claymore they can never go back
The 2 awakened dragon kin bodies are alive and they are about 200 years old

So the Dragons are another race of monsters created at least ~100 years before mainland war went two sided. Which is longer than many speculated meaning the first few prototype Claymores may have been on the island longer than 100 years and only once they where incorporated into the general armies of the MiBs allied nations did the war go full scale and every other nation went either a or b, since before that it would have been a can we appease the dragons and aim there wrath at country x instead of attacking and conquering here. So until the other side really had a chance counter there where no two sides, just one vs many desperate nations states. It could also mean the war flat out started 200 years ago but just didn't spread worldwide until 100 years ago, so the first few nations to oppose the dragons could have had warriors 195 years ago but it took 95 years for these two nations to takeover every minor nation around them in order to gain advantage over the other side (aka an RTS game with no rushs, since we are dealing with feudalistic armies which take long periods of time to solidify control over each nation, after all if you don't keep these conquered nations in check with occupying troops they would possibly rebel) Point is Yagi now has 100 extra years of freedom to set up the 100 year wars backstory.

I state they where created since how could a naturally evolved race of beings exist, if after x point they went full monster and couldn't revert. Lets face it unless the author came up with some super crazy rule these creature wouldn't give birth to non awakened versions of them whom "could go back". So therefore Dragons are created monsters too... and if they came about 200 years ago one has to wonder how long they took to make and where they did it? Does the Dragonkin have there own "island" somewhere?

Now quickly back to the 100 years before the war went two sided, I'm beginning to speculate that otherside in the mainland war built these monsters somehow and used them to start expanding there territory. However like the current issue the org faces now they needed greater control over the monsters to effectively capitalize on them, since lets face it once they "awaken" they couldn't go back and would logically attack there own side thus weakening them. Worse yet with no natural counter like the ABs it meant they had to pray these monsters just wouldn't turn around and eat there forces or else they'd have to kill them themselves as humans or hope awakening another dragon could weaken it to the point one was dead and the other wounded enough to handle. next off they be fools to use them in large numbers without some sort of natural counter (since we know now that after 200 years they have died from old age and wounds, so clearly they couldn't wait out a dragon them move into it's old lair). Yet they where still clearly effective enough to allow the otherside to expand there empire slowly over 100 years "until the war went two sided". Yet clearly those 100 year only gave the other nations whom feared being the next victims time to eventually capture 2 of these monsters, set up an island base to reverse bio-engineer these monsters and ~100 years ago they created the first Yoma and from the Claymores, whom then awakened and became Awakened Beings.

Now we get into the first tricky part, we know that Clare's accessible power when first becoming a warrior was weaker than Teresa's... so why was that? Could it have been due to the fact she hadn't awakened so since she herself hadn't accessed all her power so she handed down to Clare only part of her power (aka so humanity diluted the power transfer)? Or did it stunt her power but not totally limit it either? or was it just due to the fact the yoma's energy had sycronized with Teresa and when Clare joined in it couldn't fully sycronize with Clare and Teresa (at least until Clare and Teresa merge or some other speculative idea we had upon those lines over the years). It's an interesting question. It effects the above since it makes us wonder how can a monster as powerful as a Dragon only create a creature as pitiful as a yoma, yet this yoma's flesh create a creature as strong as either teresa or priscilla? Something must be limiting the power transfer or at least delaying it taking full effect.

So potentially Dragon's could be at any strength level, also of note the two where very different designs... so we must ask are there more designs or breeds of dragons? and do mixing the flesh of these two effect what type of warrior ability one gets after they go offensive or defensive (so yoki prediction = offensive and yoki manipulation = defensive both result from a the same mixture of flesh between the two)? Or does what power one gets later only reflect a portion of the power one of these dragons has yet there power levels are about the same over all... or are the differences between the two more in the mind and powers and abilities pretty closely linked between the two? or some combination there of, like maybe the Dragons are dumber but tougher skinned but the ABs smarter and can manipulate there bodies more and aren't set to types of dragons but each individual is unique? Well you get the idea... however I want to leave you all on this though both Teresa and Priscilla source of power came from these two monsters flesh, so if those two are stronger then there source monsters how come? Then can the dragons side incorporate this into the Dragons once this source of the powerup is discovered?

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" However the problem here is we can't eliminate much so can we really rule out the dragons can't be stronger than Teresa or Priscilla? Or at least the very old Dragons could be... since...

Originally Posted by God Eye Galatea

I think Rimuto said the the organization keep the bodies of the Dragon kin alive so they won't go old but also they don't get stronger.
The dragon kin fresh is used on human to create yoma
Yoma fresh is fused with human to create Claymore
Claymore awakened to become awakened being
So the organization did create something like the dragon kin but not controllable
Dragon kin -> Yoma -> Claymore -> Awakened Being

So does that line mean Dragons age but as they age they gain power? (thus giving at least potential for very very old dragons (like warriors to "mature" and gain power until they awaken, also note this doesn't mean there isn't a cap to either's power level where they just can't get stronger anymore unless they are unique or something) or does it mean something else. If it means dragons are like warriors gaining power over the years but are awakened then in means in a sense a warrior awakening is a short cut to many more years of power but at the cost of losing the ability to gain power later over time... but since the org treats them like disposable weapons it matters not if they don't get stronger later since it means they can be used today vs 20 years from now and the org can just make a new troop to replace her. Yet at the same time if they could gain control over a few ABs they would have quick access to the equivalent of very old dragons much sooner than the Dragons could thus giving them the upperhand potentially in the war. However lets face it very young dragons working in concert could still take down an AB whom is stronger than them unless very drastically outclassed and baby dragons like human fodder to become yoma/warriors could be "cheap" as far as 2 superpowers are concerned.

Back to the war and the time line... so these Dragons have an equivalent of an awakening, thus imply a loss of control. To this I ask do the dragon kins side have an 100 year advantage in learning to how to control their monsters? Would that explain how come Rubel was always one step ahead of everyone? If so did he know what would happen to Clare when she took in Teresa's flesh or at least have a good suspicion already? Yet he only tried to kill her once she partially awakened? Why only then? Was she to be his first choice in how the org would destroy itself? Was she just a tool to gain the trust of the org? or do the Dragons not have any more control of there monsters and Rubel saw her as a way to gain more data for his side too? I suspect the dragons side has at least some more degree of control over there monsters (after all the dragons couldn't create twin warriors since they don't use yoki flesh to sync the minds of the twins, so there control might just be more reliable awakenings, aka there soldiers won't always just awaken by accident but it can happen) if only due to there 100 year advantage in research, but like the cold war so what if you have the better aiming missiles since in the grand scheme of things hitting the target only a mile closer in the scheme of nuclear detonations doesn't really matter much, especially if you aim 50 missiles at one city since 50 near hits still whip the city from the map. Of course the org does have a counter to this advantage and as odd as it may seem, it's the weakest monster of them all, yoma. So sure the dragons don't have to worry as much about there own troops turning on them but they do have to worry about the 100,000 yoma behind there lines eating the villagers that grow up to become those soldiers.

However once again lets look at the above quote.

Originally Posted by God Eye Galatea

I think Rimuto said the the organization keep the bodies of the Dragon kin alive so they won't go old but also they don't get stronger.
The dragon kin fresh is used on human to create yoma
Yoma fresh is fused with human to create Claymore
Claymore awakened to become awakened being
So the organization did create something like the dragon kin but not controllable
Dragon kin -> Yoma -> Claymore -> Awakened Being

So my suspicion is the Dragons are 100% controllable and they where only unleashed upon the world once there side figured out how to control them (what benefit would they have been otherwise?). I suspect that the org countered with Yoma as a "diversion" to counter some of the benefits of having a controllable army of monsters when they don't have such a luxury, so the playing flied is kinda leveled as a result. Next off I'm more cautiously guessing the ABs are at the very least more mutatus (is that a word?) and can become insanely strong very quickly but the Dragons are slower to create at high powers since they gain power even once awakened as they age but unlike ABs can be breed in high numbers.

Well, been a long time since I speculated like that... here is to hoping Claymore continues in some fashion so I can keep doing this, it reminded me why I used to love posting long posts just full of speculations and analyses. :derp

please forgive the tl;dr :teehee

[Kokukirin]

I don't think this is the end of the Claymore series. There is likely a part two of some kind. But in the unlikely scenario that it really ends, this chapter will go down as one of the worst manga ending ever.

[Blaat]

Bloody hell, I was really looking forward to reading this chapter only to find out the manga is ending.

[Von Himmel]

Spoiler:

IMO, Since the existence of Claymore is all a lie by the organization perhaps the end of the organzation will mark a new name for the Claymore and the manga is renaming itself.

I surely hope so ._. damn it, I've just recently keeping up with this and now it's already ending? :<

[haegar]

just dropping by temporarily to make a troll post:

[hamstar]

This ending is actually worse than Matrix revolutions. Not only does it not answer all the pivotal questions but...what happened to the main character...And we still have an Abyssal on the loose somewhere lol

I doubt someone could troll this hard....so I'm going to conclude that Yagi's contract or something ended or he is simply dying and had to finish the manga off. Even if there is a Claymore R2, I'm sure as hell not going to bother with this garbage masquerading as manga anymore.

[konart]

Originally Posted by hamstar

This ending is actually worse than Matrix revolutions. Not only does it not answer all the pivotal questions but...what happened to the main character...And we still have an Abyssal on the loose somewhere lol

I doubt someone could troll this hard....so I'm going to conclude that Yagi's contract or something ended or he is simply dying and had to finish the manga off. Even if there is a Claymore R2, I'm sure as hell not going to bother with this garbage masquerading as manga anymore.

We still don't know anything, but you have already decided everything for yourself?

[rafael1932]

I am happy with this end. I mean it was all dragon ball z fights all the time. Yagi was killing his masterpiece. So if he does not have more ideas, just end it already.

Do I see potential for more? Yes, I do ( I have some plots of my own .)

I was right. yomas were humans all the time but I was expecting a better excuse since claymores were already a mixture of blood with a monster

The best end is to clare to die like that. After all pris is still the number 1 in terms of power and clare was not even awakened…… veryyyyyyy stupid to see clare winning that way. By the way I advanced this end as a good one months ago when claymore was still good ( no dragon ball z shit)

I like to see more character in the middle rather then clare all the time. Everybody liked when isley and riful were killed right? was clare around ? no, but the story was still epic and mysterious.

[konart]

Scanlation is out

Spoiler for end:

"Claymore --- end" still bugs me, but now it's more likely that "END" stands for organization's end, not the end of the manga.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by konart

We still don't know anything, but you have already decided everything for yourself?

Welcome to the internet.

I would be very surprised if this was a true end to the series. There's been no announcement, no explanation (you'd think any Japanese fans would be in an uproar on 2ch and other fan sites), and the story is in no way complete. This arc might have dragged on a bit but I'll chalk that up to trying to make action scenes work in a monthly manga, and the trend away from brutal deaths which cheapens some of the tension. Still, the Organization needed to go and this arc achieved that...and now right when we should be turning back to the primary focus of the story it just "ends"?

It just doesn't add up. I'll save any rage for a true confirmation.