Sword Art Online - Game Mechanics and Technology [Speculation, NO Spoilers]

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I think they'd have said something about it if it was like that. SAO isn't the first NervGear game.

SAO is the first NervGear MMORPG. And NervGear was the first <<VR technology>> which led up to <<Neuro-Linker>> in 2033.... I think?

(This is all basic Ep 1 detail of both SAO and AW.)

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

SAO is the first NervGear MMORPG. And NervGear was the first <<VR technology>>

But there were a handful of proof of concept games before that. Simpler, but not so simple they wouldn't have noticed a time distortion of that magnitude.

which led up to <<Neuro-Linker>> in 2033.... I think?

Wrong. There is no confirmation that SAO and AW are in the same universe. Word of God is somewhere between noncommittal and outright negative.

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Wrong. There is no confirmation that SAO and AW are in the same universe. Word of God is somewhere between noncommittal and outright negative.

Blame the manga cus it was mentioned there (as well, so I thought I heard ep 1 say something indirectly)!

Also Vol 1 mentions...

Spoiler:

“Y, yes... just perfunctory information. Using quantum level connection with brain cells, picture, sound and sensation can be sent, that means canceling reality’s five senses...”

“That’s right. That means its principle is basically different from 2020s headgear type VR machine, or 30s implant type. Quantum connection is not a biological mechanism. That is, it won’t put any burden on the brain cells, and you can do unreasonable things... someone realized that.”

Accel World and SAO aren't "in the same universe" as said, but the author already made up his mind to make them compatible with each other... in case he changes his mind or something.

Spoiler for EDIT: Unrel:

EDIT: Which also means that <<Neuro-Linker>> could be much later.... hmmmmmmmm.... but how about the <<Neuro-Linker>> from birth? :| (15 was the max age I think...)

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

SAO is the first NervGear MMORPG. And NervGear was the first <<VR technology>> which led up to <<Neuro-Linker>> in 2033.... I think?

(This is all basic Ep 1 detail of both SAO and AW.)

SAO is the first real NervGEAR MMO, but ep1 of SAO points out that it's not the first MMO title. Anh_Minh is correct. The previous games were probably just proof of concept titles, or something similar. As for ties between SAO and AW, who knows. Seems likely they're at least in the same universe.

[ronelm2000]

The author says they're not necessarily the same universe, but I'm not put my head behind the headphones and say "They are. Too much Continuity Nod."

[Ray]

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

The author says they're not necessarily the same universe, but I'm not put my head behind the headphones and say "They are. Too much Continuity Nod."

We have an Accel World and SAO connections and comparisons thread if you want to speculate about whether the two worlds are connected/related or not. I honestly think that the author himself still hasn't decided if they are.

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by Aphrah

We have an Accel World and SAO connections and comparisons thread if you want to speculate about whether the two worlds are connected/related or not. I honestly think that the author himself still hasn't decided if they are.

...okay... I haven't noticed it in either the Accel World subforum and SAO subforum because....?

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I have no idea what to talk about this thread anymore, mostly because this is a damn no-spoiler thr- *shot*

Wait... does anyone have a clear explanation on <<Griselda's Ghost>>?

I mean... not even the server could emulate....a real person's thoughts.....right? *shot by self*

[Ray]

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

...okay... I haven't noticed it in either the Accel World subforum and SAO subforum because....?

Hm. Because I guess you haven't checked the second page of the SAO sub-forum? ;p

Wait... does anyone have a clear explanation on <<Griselda's Ghost>>?

There's somewhat of explanation, but it's a little spoilerish.. so..

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

Wait... does anyone have a clear explanation on <<Griselda's Ghost>>?

On the non-spoiler side of things (thread constraints and all) I'd say it's more a 'sense of wonder' moment, more than anything else. It gives Kirito x Asuna a nice moment, and that's probably all it really needs to be.

I would have preferred they didn't include it, and padded other areas better, but it's not my adaption.

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by Aphrah

Hm. Because I guess you haven't checked the second page of the SAO sub-forum? ;p

I guess it's one of the Abandoned Threads!

Time for Revival! *prepares a long post*

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Well, a good theory could be that SAO actually records the thoughts of the 10,000 people somewhere and tries to emulate it? Is that even possible? I mean... does the NervGear have the capacity to capture "emotions"?

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by Adigard

SAO is the first real NervGEAR MMO, but ep1 of SAO points out that it's not the first MMO title. Anh_Minh is correct. The previous games were probably just proof of concept titles, or something similar. As for ties between SAO and AW, who knows. Seems likely they're at least in the same universe.

Wii Sports and the like, is how I imagined the older games.

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by Clarste

Wii Sports and the like, is how I imagined the older games.

The LN's touch upon a year+ of prior NervGEAR MMO-styled games, but suffice to say they aren't terribly exciting. Hard to say whether or not single player non-sub based games would be worth the massive chunk of cash you'd have to sink for 30-50 hours of content in a VR type setting.

[jcdietz03]

Not emotions, but it's shown within the game that the system can create a 3D model of the user (primarily for display to other users). This data could be recorded by the SAO system and used for any purpose, if it's programmed to do so. It isn't known whether the online component of the NervGear platform is required to create the 3D models, but it's still impressive.

[n120cky]

This could be one of nerveGear roadmap.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...our-brain.html

and maybe this

http://emotiv.com/

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by n120cky

This could be one of nerveGear roadmap.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...our-brain.html

and maybe this

http://emotiv.com/

The article is 2009. This is 2012. Am I missing something here? or has everyone already moved on to become mind-readers in the RL?

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

The article is 2009. This is 2012. Am I missing something here? or has everyone already moved on to become mind-readers in the RL?

Do you think we'd tell you if we were, and you weren't, silly silly person~

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by Adigard

Do you think we'd tell you if we were, and you weren't, silly silly person~

*gah!*

anyway, how does Emotiv actually work? Detect waves through the use of sonar or something...? Or through direct contact? Or through ... microwaves?

I actually don't get how they translate those brainwaves to input....

[n120cky]

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

The article is 2009. This is 2012. Am I missing something here? or has everyone already moved on to become mind-readers in the RL?

Maybe it was prototype at 2009, it's become commercially available at 2012, it's still have some kind (a boring one) of calibration before we use it, but 10 years again I think we'll see the possibility of it become nerveGear .
But we must definitely check Kayaba is not one of the creator.

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by n120cky

Maybe it was prototype at 2009, it's become commercially available at 2012, it's still have some kind (a boring one) of calibration before we use it, but 10 years again I think we'll see the possibility of it become nerveGear .
But we must definitely check Kayaba is not one of the creator.

I'd be safer knowing the exact specifications used in that thing: ie, solid state devices used, laser level, microwave level warnings... etc.

[richardtengcy]

I wonder how long will it takes to make VR gameplay a reality....I bet about 10 years times.