>I like how Madoka kind of tossed away Sayaka’s and Hitomi’s friendship for Homura.
>Kyubey also states that Madoka may want to protect others, but her true emotion and reason was because she’s able to protect and watch over helpless Homura and spend her daily life with her.
I won't argue. QB bein QB you can take his POV the way you want. I will take it as face value myself, thank you very much.
I agree. The game is his POV, so I would have zero doubts if they decided to play that angle up a bit. From his perspective, yeah, she would have appeared to have tossed those friendships away. But then again his concept of friendship means a contract for your soul.....
I agree. The game is his POV, so I would have zero doubts if they decided to play that angle up a bit. From his perspective, yeah, she would have appeared to have tossed those friendships away. But then again his concept of friendship means a contract for your soul.....
Oh, that's all that was meant by the fan comments that Kazu-kun listed? Geez, and here I thought the game had Madoka explicitly cutting ties with Sayaka and Hitomi as part of eloping with Homura, or something like that.
Well, that's a bit of a relief to me.
I'm still not sure how I feel about some of the other stuff - Homura being very nice to Sayaka or Hitomi, depending on who loses a fight over Kyousuke (the fight itself sounds interesting!) is a bit hard for me to swallow, given Homura's anime characterization (never seemed to care much either way about Hitomi, while Homura and Sayaka unfortunately were always at odds with one another). But I suppose it's no big deal.
>I was able to step into Homura’s shoes and read every thoughts she had. The best and most appealing thing about this game in my opinion is… you literally feel like you’re Homura. Her thoughts, her moves, her mind, her emotions, her conscious, her figure, down to the very last drop.
>In all ends, I can’t… well… I can’t believe she even though of other characters almost as equally as she though of Madoka….
>In a good way though.
>and everyone thinks Madoka is such a sweetheart saint
>Play Homura’s route
>not that I was implying that Madoka isn’t such a precious baby ok.
>I’m just saying I can’t believe Homura thought this way
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>homura is so optimistic for someone whose been through so much hell
>“Kyuubey now contacted Madoka… It’s okay. There’s still chances. Even if it’s close to zero, that small possibility is as good as 100 to me.”
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>Homura defeats Getrud before Mami does with Madoka and Sayaka
>When Mami arrives at the scene, instead of giving a cold impression…
>Mami: Just what are you, and what are you doing here?
>Madoka: Homura-chan… that outfit… does that mean…?!
>Homura: I didn’t introduce myself did I? I’m Akemi Homura.
>Mami: And what intention do you have other than competition in this town?
>Homura: To save someone… As long as you don’t get in my way, then I’m not your enemy.
>Kyuubey: She’s being vague, she might be planning something dangerous!
>Mami: I’m sorry, but I have a hard time believing you…
>Homura: That’s fine, I didn’t ask you to believe me. If I was your enemy, then you should be grateful that your head is still where it belongs. You should stop taking Miki Sayaka and Madoka with you on your witch hunting, they’re not a Puella Magi yet, and that’s dangerous.
>Mami: They’ve been chosen by Kyuubey, they have the right! Just what are you? Are you trying to take the competition away from me?
>Homura: If I was your enemy, then I wouldn’t be worrying about Miki Sayaka and Madoka, and…this *Hands her Geturd’s grief seed* Maybe that would change your mind. *walks away*
>Mami: ….
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>Homura: Tomoe Mami, do you have a moment?
>Mami: I’m about to go eat lunch with Kaname-san and Miki-san. And besides, I have no time for the likes of you.
>Homura: It will only take a second
>Mami: Very well… I have a good guess what you’re going to ask anyways.
>Homura: I want you to stop taking Miki Sayaka and Madoka on witch hunting with you.
>Mami: Oh? Are you feeling uncomfortable because I’m getting along with them? I find that kind of pathetic for your kind.
>Homura: I don’t care who you get along with. After all, you need friends to help away your lonliness.
>Mami: …!! Why…you…
>Homura: Making friends and hunting witches with helpless people are two different things
>Mami: They’ve been chosen by Kyuubey, they have the right to see and witness the world of how magical girls work.
>Homura: Then what will happen if you die in the barrier?
>Mami: …!!!
>Homura: If you died then the two will make a contract without even thinking twice of their wish and regret it like you. Weren’t you telling them day by day to not make a half-minded wish? What will happen if you died? Where will they go? Who will they believe? Who will they walk to school with every day? The ally of justice, Tomoe Mami disappears headlessly inside the barrier and never to be seen again. Is that what you want? I understand you’re lonely (I’ve witnessed your sorrow so many times…) But I cant come to an agreement to what you’re doing to the two.
>Mami: I…
>Homura: If you really want someone to stick by you in your hunting then I’ll accompany you. We’re both Puella Magi, isn’t it normal for us to fight side by side? Maybe then, we could share lunch together, all four of us one day. the more the merrier I suppose.
>Mami: Akemi…san…!
>Homura: You should think this through. Like I said, at the very least, I’m not your enemy. I don’t want to involve innocent people in dangerous situations like these.
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>Once Mami is saved, Mami tells Homura she’s sorry she doubted her all this time, and tells her inner feelings towards Madoka and Sayaka about being lonely. Mami and Homura form a friendship. Along the days you can watch scenes where Mami invites Homura over and gives her cake and talks about her family’s death
> H.N. Elly - Homura finds Madoka and saves her from the witch, instead of Sayaka, since she hasn’t contracted. • Next, is now Sayaka. Homura wants to prevent Sayaka from contracting, watching Sayaka in the shadows and grieving over Kyousuke on how he cant play the violin. Homura greets Sayaka at the hospital who’s taking to Kamijou.
>Believe in Sayaka, and explain everything that’s going on about Sayaka to Madoka. — Sayaka doesn’t contract. She gets mad at kyuubey and rejects his contract. Next day, Hitomi says her father’s close friend is an American surgeon who figured out a way to heal Kamijou’s hands. Sayaka confesses to Kyousuke before Kyousuke goes to America for his surgery. Kyousuke accepts her feelings, and thanks her. Sayaka doesn’t become a Puella Magi, never meets Kyouko, and lives on a happy life.
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>Homura now meets Kyouko. She invites Kyouko over to her house and forms a partnership to fight against Walpurgisnacht. Kyouko meets Mami, her old friend, but the two hate each over due to past disputes.
>Homura calms the two and persuades them to make up and become friends again. The two talk about right strategies against Walpurgis.
>Over the course of days, since Sayaka grows insanely distant from Madoka, since she spends almost all of her time with Kamijou, Madoka begins to feel extremely lonely.
>She invites Homura over, or goes out with Homura with all the chances she gets. Homura tries to decline because she beleives that if she becomes too close to Madoka, Madoka would want to protect her and contract with Kyuubey. But her emotions get in the way, and she can’t bear to see Madoka sad, and ultimately cannot reject.
>Later that night, Kyuubey, who had almost no role, sneaks into Madoka’s house, and explains everything about the Puella Magi cycle. Madoka, shocked, leaves her house in the middle of the night and goes to see Homura. Madoka and Homura have a talk, and repeat episode 11 where Homura hugs Madoka, etc.
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>Ending 1a - If Homura fights alone, or with Kyouko, or with Kyouko and Mami and not the full party, the game will take it as if she fought in the anime timeline-ish kind of. Madoka will contract with Kyuubey, become Ultimate Madoka, and rewrite the world with her powers and delete Witches from Existence.
>Ending 1b - Everyone participates in Walpurgis, except Madoka. Just the beginning event scene is different than 1a, still the outcome is the same
Bonus route:
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Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka calling herself clumsy and has no trait or whatsoever beside being a magical girl. Homura slaps Madoka and try to comfort her for saying that by saying "even though you're clumsy and stupid, being a cute magical girl is enough", etc. etc"
EDIT: I think I'll put all this in spoiler tags. EDIT2: I should probably clarify that nothing of this is confirmed yet. As always when it comes to Internet, we need to wait for other sources so we can crosscheck this spoilers. EDIT3: I will be updating this post as the spoilers get confirmed or debunked.
Next day, Hitomi says her father’s close friend is an American surgeon who figured out a way to heal Kamijou’s hands.
Holy shit, deus ex machina, much?
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Madoka is able to hold only a tiny fragment of existence, and materializes by using the negative energy and Homura’s memories of her, and stays by Homura’s side forever, like a ghost-ish thing. She is only visible to Homura.
This sounds more or less legit, since the Homura level advancement graph shows an ultimate attack which features her "corrosive witch wings" from the end of the anime. So Madoka lives on eternally as Homura's lesbian ghost girlfriend....
Hold on, so the corrosive witch wings represent Madoka's ghost presence, or...what? Also several doujins just got canon basis, lulz.
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>Secret - If everyone else dies first and Homura last, on the top floor. Homura turns into a witch, the universe ends, since all possibility and hope becomes absolutely and completely lost.
Can you elaborate? How does this manifest? Like...a permanent timefreeze or what?
It's just Karma IMO. I mean, if Sayaka manages not to be tempted to fix her problems with magic, I'd say karma would reward her by giving her a different solution. Although, I think it's made this way to drive home that these girls fucked up their lives on their own by contracting.
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Hold on, so the corrosive witch wings represent Madoka's ghost presence, or...what?
The lastest reports seem to indicate this spoiler wasn't true.
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Can you elaborate? How does this manifest? Like...a permanent timefreeze or what?
It's just Karma IMO. I mean, if Sayaka manages not to be tempted to fix her problems with magic, I'd say karma would reward her by giving her a different solution. Although, I think it's made this way to drive home that these girls fucked up their lives on their own by contracting.
Eh. I'm not sure I like that. 'Rewarding her for not contracting'? That's pretty obtuse.
But then you and I already had an argument about the moral fabric of the Puella Magi universe, let's not go there.
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The lastest reports seem to indicate this spoiler wasn't true.
After clearing Homura's route (but getting normal ending, not happy ending) there is indeed a bonus scene when you fight demons in the new world, but in that scene the demons can't hurt you so you can't die. This scene last till the ending theme kicks in.
So, basically, that bit about Homu's wings and such was just trolling. Nothing new is revealed about this in the game, unfortunately.
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So then how does Homu-Witch end the universe?
The universe doesn't end. That was trolling. if you are "Defeated" in the lowest level, Homura will become a witch. However only one illustration will be shown right before Game Over. So you really don't know if something happened to the universe or whatnot.
On another note: Homura's route happy ending (confirmed)
Spoiler for homu happy endo:
If you defeat Walpurgis with Homura, Mami, Kyouko and Sayaka alive without anybody becoming a witch and without Madoka contracting, you will get the tea party ending instead of anime's ending one. There have been many reports in 2ch that this is true.
You could say this is Homura's true harem ending lol.
Dialog from the "Homura slapping Madoka" scene in Bonus Route:
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Madoka: Mami-san's going to release a CD... Everything's going great for Sayaka-chan with Kyousuke-kun, too, and Kyouko-chan is getting along with Sayaka-chan.
Madoka: Everyone is changing in lots of ways... but what's changed for me?
Homura: Do you want to change something?
Madoka: Homura-chan... When did you...?
Homura: Never mind that. So, do you want to change, Madoka?
Madoka: I think maybe it's less like I want to change than like I feel like I have to change.
Madoka: See, there's nothing that I really want to be. Not like Mami-san, Sayaka-chan, or Kyouko-chan.
Madoka: But it's kind of hard just watching that.
Madoka: Because I... became a magical girl with nothing but "I want to be a magical girl"...
Madoka: I guess a girl who can't do anything except being a magical girl is no good.
Madoka: I guess I'm jealous of everyone seeming like they're having so much fun right now.
Madoka: I can't do anything at all besides being a magical girl. I'm a clumsy, slow... useless girl.
Homura: That's not true!
(slap)
Madoka: Kya!
Homura: Madoka, you're a clumsy and slow... and absolutely adorable magical girl! What else do you want?!
Madoka: That... isn't a compliment...
Homura: I... I... you.... over and over... That's why you have to stay you...
Homura: Never change, the way you are now... Have confidence in yourself!!
Homura: You... You're... someone very important and precious to me. Even though you may not remember.
Madoka: Um, Homura-chan. I don't really understand, but I think I kind of get it anyway.
Homura: Thank you... I'm sorry for hitting you even though you don't really understand.
Madoka: No, it's okay. You're just trying to get things across to me.
Madoka: I think it's probably my fault... But can I say just one thing?
Homura: What?
Madoka: ... I did want you to deny that I'm clumsy and slow, a little.
Homura: (automatically) I'm sorry...
Madoka: I knew it, you really do think that about me.
Kyouko and Sayaka are fighting. Mami breaks it up. Charlotte's barrier forms. Mami fights it with K&S as back-up. Mami gets killed right in front of them. Sayaka loses her gem (turns out it's in Charlotte's stomach). You pick "?" choices from different city locations, where eye-glasses Homua and Madoka go to find familiars . If you pick up and they never enter Charlotte's by Day 13, then Kyouko finds it the day after. The problem is Kyouko doesn't have enough magic to preserve Sayaka's body and hunt and fight witches, so Sayaka's body rots. When Kyouko gets the gem, she passes out from exhaustion. While Kyouko's asleep, Sayaka wanders off, not realizing her condition. Then Kyousuke visits her at home and sees the way she looks...and calls her monster. Homura, Madoka and Kyouko, realizing she's gone and went to her house, find Sayaka losing it. Sayaka then goes witch. Pic is what she looks like rotted in the game.
If you find her SG early:
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Sayaka wakes up, her body is fine but she's depressed. She sees Kyousuke and Hitomi together and is upset. She runs into Kyouko (in case you're wonder why she doesn't go to Madoka is she's always with Homura now) and cries in her arms. Kyouko talks to her, opens up about her past etc. and unlike in the anime, Sayaka really listens to Kyouko. You should hear how she says "Kyouko..." Kyouko saves Sayaka, a 300 pt emotion value drop and Sayaka is almost her old cheerful self...even says they should be a magical girl combi (duo). Then they go fight a witch together. Sayaka is alive for Walpurgis, but they end up defeated. Homura thinks in part maybe because Kyouko wasn't there, that was a difference... I won't say more since I want to play the Kyouko route now and see what happens.
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Oh forgot to mention the witch Kyouko and Sayaka defeat is Izabel, who by the way is really tough to beat. There's this howling ghoul thing that dazes so you get beat up for like seven turns. Took some experimenting, but the best way is to have Kyouko get 精神系状態異常無効 which makes her immune and have her fight those. Then I had Sayaka gets some of the big attacks to go after Izabel.
Anyways, they found Izabel has Kyousuke and Hitomi. Sayaka is at first reluctant to fight because of what they would think of her but Kyouko persuades her. When they save them though, I didn't see a confrontation scene between Kyousuke and Sayaka. Maybe you have to pick slightly different options (I had them find her body on day 12 and not day 13), a QB button prompt or possibly in happens in Kyouko's route where Kyousuke calls her a monster. Or possibly it's b.s. Don't know yet.
Another ending from the Homura Route. It's happy enough since Madoka doesn't contract, but Mami dies.
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I finished the route where Sayaka doesn't contract and only Kyouko and Homura fight Walpurgis. Requires Mami to die though and to pick the right triggers. Not an easy fight but doable. The ending was pretty good, aside from Mami dying. Kyouko goes back home, Madoka doesn't contract, and she and Homura are at least friends. The ED credits ends with pictures of Kyouko's church before it was destroyed and the last shot is this one, of Kyouko walking away. Not the best end but I was OK with this one.
And this is the most depressing ending from the Homura route:
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Mami gets mogu mogu'd same as the anime. Sorry, there wasn't much for KyouHomu shippers. They're basically bros at most. In the Homura route, Kyouko doesn't make much of an appearance. In Kyouko's route, you don't see much of Homura etc. Kyouko's closest relationships are with Sayaka and Mami. Kyouko also gets upset with Homura if Sayaka becomes Oktavia. Especially if Homura kills Oktavia before Kyouko and Madoka have a chance to try and turn her back into Sayaka...and see for themselves how hopeless it is first-hand.
Homura is closest to Madoka and then Mami gets along with her pretty well if Homura saves her except for one end where Sayaka becomes Oktavia, Mami finds out the truth about witches, then Homura makes thing worse by upsetting Kyouko with killing Oktavia before Kyouko and Madoka try to turn her back. That one, Mami commits suicide. It is a seriously depressing clusterfuck. It ends up with Homura fighting alone, since Kyouko shows up to help the other times, even when she's upset about Oktavia. I guess having Mami suicide was one thing too much for her to tolerate.
A little KyouSaya yuri moment from the true end (tea party end from Homura's route):
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While Madoka and Homura are helping Mami in the kitchen, Sayaka is rambling about how Mami's apartment is always so nice and clean. And how awesome it is that she's handling this and school just fine besides being a magical girl.
Then this exchange happens.
S: Marrying someone like Mami would be nice.
K: Anyway, I'm sloppy.
S: Huh, what are you so mad about?
K: I'm not mad at all.
There is also the part with Sayaka forcefully undressing Kyouko to get her into the uniform.
And Madoka seems strangely concerned about Homura's flat chest.