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virox · 2011-06-29, 05:14

Hey your discussion is rather heated up, but please let me ask something, I am not sure if this was explained in the latest novel, but I hope it was:

In volume 4, Yuki took Haruhi's power and changed the world completely.
But now in volume 10/11, they have to come up with a ridiculous plan to ki-- Har--- in order to get her power, why couldn't Suoh Kuyoh just do what Yuki did?

Also, was the Sky Canopy Dominion really unaffected by the changes Yuki made? Because Taniguchi was dating Suoh, but after the change happened, he wasn't dating her anymore.

Sorry if this was already answered in chapter 5, haven't read it yet.

Ithekro · 2011-06-29, 06:58

That is a rather interesting question. (the part about it affectiong Suoh or not)

I would assume Yuki could use Haruhi's powers due to several hundred years of observaton and the onset of real emotions.

Roger Rambo · 2011-06-29, 07:07

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Because Taniguchi was dating Suoh, but after the change happened, he wasn't dating her anymore.

wait. what? Taniguchi was dating the homicidal alien robot girl?

...no. Wait. This makes PERFECT sense.

Ithekro · 2011-06-29, 07:32

Only an alien would date him.

(He gave Ryoko an A++ so he has good taste in aliens)

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2011-06-29, 07:37

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Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

wait. what? Taniguchi was dating the homicidal alien robot girl?

...no. Wait. This makes PERFECT sense.

She probably doesn't understand what dating meant, or just don't care enough to say no. It's good to have friendly contacts with locals after all.

narukamikun · 2011-06-29, 10:19

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

She probably doesn't understand what dating meant, or just don't care enough to say no. It's good to have friendly contacts with locals after all.

She asked him, actually.

Jonbob0008 · 2011-06-29, 10:52

From what I've read, all they did was eat out at some fast food places over and over again. Man, Taniguchi is lame as hell. Couldn't he at least TRIED something other than just eating out? I've lost all respect for him (what little I still had

).

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2011-06-29, 11:50

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She asked him, actually.

In that case, it was probably in her mission parameters to locate a spineless male to date in order to blend in.

Ithekro · 2011-06-29, 11:54

Or she though he was Kyon.

AbZeroNow · 2011-06-29, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Only an alien would date him.

(He gave Ryoko an A++ so he has good taste in aliens)

Not to mention that he gave Yuki an A- while she was still wearing those glasses.
(I disagree with Kyon regarding Yuki's cuteness with glasses. Her human self's moe factor was over 9000.)

Roger Rambo · 2011-06-29, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Only an alien would date him.

(He gave Ryoko an A++ so he has good taste in aliens)

Didn't Yuki only get an A-? Or a B+? His tastes seem to be particularly oriented towards Yandere's.

X-com will find use for him. At ferrying out alien infiltrators.

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From what I've read, all they did was eat out at some fast food places over and over again. Man, Taniguchi is lame as hell. Couldn't he at least TRIED something other than just eating out? I've lost all respect for him (what little I still had

).

...did he at least ASK HER to come with him to this fast food place over and over again? Or did he just happen to sit next to her time and time again without her complaining and assume that they were dating?

Man Taniguchi. You really ARE lame.

Gamer_2k4 · 2011-06-29, 14:12

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(I disagree with Kyon regarding Yuki's cuteness with glasses. Her human self's moe factor was over 9000.)

Well, to be fair, that "I'd say you look cuter without them" happened about the time that Yuki stopped looking super angry all the time. In other words, maybe Kyon unconsciously associated that look with the glasses (I know I did), not having a counter-example until Disappearance.

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...did he at least ASK HER to come with him to this fast food place over and over again? Or did he just happen to sit next to her time and time again without her complaining and assume that they were dating?

Man Taniguchi. You really ARE lame.

Yeah. At least when Kyon does that, he doesn't openly call it a date.

RandySyler · 2011-06-29, 14:32

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Originally Posted by AbZeroNow

(I disagree with Kyon regarding Yuki's cuteness with glasses. Her human self's moe factor was over 9000.)

Hmm unless if you mean Dissappearance-era Yuki, I have to disagree. I found her not to be much of a meganekko at all since she really had no personality whatsoever before she lost her glasses, after she lost them she began to develop a personality and thus, moe by actually being more involved in the series. I think Kyon mentions at one point early on that Yuki "was like a decoration" for the room, and this is really true for the old Yuki.

AbZeroNow · 2011-06-29, 14:38

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Hmm unless if you mean Dissappearance-era Yuki, I have to disagree. I found her not to be much of a meganekko at all since she really had no personality whatsoever before she lost her glasses. After that she began to develop a personality and thus, moe. As Gamer2x4 said the glasses carried the negative connections with her blandness.

Yes, I was referring to Yuki in Disappearance who manages IMO to be even more moe than Mikuru has ever been. But of coure Yuki is also moe without them. This is one reason why I want to see Charmed At First Sight LOVER animated really soon.

Gamer_2k4 · 2011-06-29, 14:58

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Yes, I was referring to Yuki in Disappearance who manages IMO to be even more moe than Mikuru has ever been. But of coure Yuki is also moe without them. This is one reason why I want to see Charmed At First Sight LOVER animated really soon.

I'm no expert on moe, but I imagine the thing that puts alt!Yuki above Mikuru (in my mind, anyway) is that Mikuru is so darn INCOMPETENT. You can be the cutest person in the world, but if you're hopelessly useless, that appeal goes right out the window.

DurararaFTW · 2011-06-29, 15:52

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I'm no expert on moe, but I imagine the thing that puts alt!Yuki above Mikuru (in my mind, anyway) is that Mikuru is so darn INCOMPETENT. You can be the cutest person in the world, but if you're hopelessly useless, that appeal goes right out the window.

alt!Yuki wasn't hopelessly useless? She could barely pass on a piece of paper to the person next to her. She couldn't recruit members for her club, she could barely get through the day without Asakura coming to over to cook. Mikuru was at least self-sufficient.

Gamer_2k4 · 2011-06-29, 16:17

That's...actually a good point. Huh.

AbZeroNow · 2011-06-29, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Or she though he was Kyon.

That was basically what Kuyoh said.

I'll post the excerpt of that for those who haven't read Chapter 5 yet.

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“Did you take a fancy to Taniguchi in order to come in contact with Haruhi or me?”
“It was a misunderstanding——”
She replied with a voice like a talking deck brush.
“What did you misunderstand?”
“——mistook him for you.”

Roger Rambo · 2011-06-29, 20:07

Wow. Kuyoh kinda fails as much as Taniguchi.

I guess it's pretty clear that the domain has ALLOT more problems understanding/identifying people than the IDE. Though it shouldn't be to surprising, considering how out of context human existence is to beings like Data entities. Humans are specifically designed in our thought process to identify others. Aliens completely lack those kind of tools to make that kind of identification.

ijuinkun · 2011-06-29, 22:50

Probably to the Sky Canopy Domain (which after all has spent a lot less time and resources so far in studying humans), "all you humans look the same to us". It's kind of like how most people can't easily distinguish individuals of an unfamiliar animal species, even if they could tell their own dog/cat/whatever from others. Probably she wasn't paying attention to his face and actions so much as his easiest-to-read data--"Male, same age and classroom as Haruhi, no special powers, has/has had a romantic connection to Haruhi". Remembering that the Sky Canopy Domain is even less familiar with linear time than the IDSE, Kuyoh might have confused Taniguchi's previous attraction for Haruhi with Kyon's present attraction.

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	That is a rather interesting question. (the part about it affectiong Suoh or not) I would assume Yuki could use Haruhi's powers due to several hundred years of observaton and the onset of real emotions. __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Only an alien would date him. (He gave Ryoko an A++ so he has good taste in aliens) __________________

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virox Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	Hey your discussion is rather heated up, but please let me ask something, I am not sure if this was explained in the latest novel, but I hope it was: In volume 4, Yuki took Haruhi's power and changed the world completely. But now in volume 10/11, they have to come up with a ridiculous plan to ki-- Har--- in order to get her power, why couldn't Suoh Kuyoh just do what Yuki did? Also, was the Sky Canopy Dominion really unaffected by the changes Yuki made? Because Taniguchi was dating Suoh, but after the change happened, he wasn't dating her anymore. Sorry if this was already answered in chapter 5, haven't read it yet.

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Jonbob0008 The Last Loner Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Minnesota Age: 40	From what I've read, all they did was eat out at some fast food places over and over again. Man, Taniguchi is lame as hell. Couldn't he at least TRIED something other than just eating out? I've lost all respect for him (what little I still had ).

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Roger Rambo Sensei, aishite imasu Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hong Kong Shatterdome	Wow. Kuyoh kinda fails as much as Taniguchi. I guess it's pretty clear that the domain has ALLOT more problems understanding/identifying people than the IDE. Though it shouldn't be to surprising, considering how out of context human existence is to beings like Data entities. Humans are specifically designed in our thought process to identify others. Aliens completely lack those kind of tools to make that kind of identification.

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ijuinkun Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007	Probably to the Sky Canopy Domain (which after all has spent a lot less time and resources so far in studying humans), "all you humans look the same to us". It's kind of like how most people can't easily distinguish individuals of an unfamiliar animal species, even if they could tell their own dog/cat/whatever from others. Probably she wasn't paying attention to his face and actions so much as his easiest-to-read data--"Male, same age and classroom as Haruhi, no special powers, has/has had a romantic connection to Haruhi". Remembering that the Sky Canopy Domain is even less familiar with linear time than the IDSE, Kuyoh might have confused Taniguchi's previous attraction for Haruhi with Kyon's present attraction.