(L) Elfen Lied

[radiotom99]

Spoiler for :

the twins are not like lucy was there actually nicer they will make the evolution of man diclonius the right way no genocide intended

The possiblity is still there. It all depends on choices, not actuall impediment. Considering how it ended, its most likely that it is how you say, but it doesnt make it an impossible thing to achieve

[ACSephiroth]

Ok sort of off topic, but a friend keeps telling me about Higurashi since I am a big fan of Elfen Lied. In terms of violence how does it compare to this series and is it more disturbing than Elfen Lied was? I am trying to get info for another friend.

[roriconfan]

^ Higurashi is not THAT violent and sexual and packs a non-linear story / mystery.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Jujubee

Is it explained in the manga why other Diclonius lose control over their vectors when Nana sticks her's in their heads?

It is never explained. It is something she discovered accidentally when she was fighting Lucy. If you remember, Lucy stuck her vector in Nana's head and told her that just by moving the blood vessel slightly she could cause a hemorrhage and kill her. That is what Nana tried to do to Lucy at the end of the fight, but she cause Lucy to lose her vectors instead, and Nana remembered how to do it and used it in other fights. It is likely that Lucy was trying to figure out what Nana did when, at the university after killing Kakuzawa's son, she puts her vector in that girls head and, after apparently killing her, says "That's not it."

[radiotom99]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

It is never explained. It is something she discovered accidentally when she was fighting Lucy. If you remember, Lucy stuck her vector in Nana's head and told her that just by moving the blood vessel slightly she could cause a hemorrhage and kill her. That is what Nana tried to do to Lucy at the end of the fight, but she cause Lucy to lose her vectors instead, and Nana remembered how to do it and used it in other fights. It is likely that Lucy was trying to figure out what Nana did when, at the university after killing Kakuzawa's son, she puts her vector in that girls head and, after apparently killing her, says "That's not it."

Right, I had the feeling it wasnt exactlly explained. what I mentioned a few posts ago was just my interpretation of it at the time. Since its explained in the beggining of the series that its the overgrowth of a specific frontal area of the brain that is responsible for the diclonius abilities (cant remember the name they gave it exactlly), I figured it was that, by tempering with that area, caused the inability to use vectors.

Spoiler for anime/manga:

Nana probably had the intention to kill with that move, but since she actually stumbled on that frontal area, instead it just screwed up the vector function. thats my interpretation.

[Deadwings]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

A diclonious race could not exist in the first place. They would kill each other over a simple arguement.

Not really. No human wishes to die (most of us at least), and it's not different for diclonious. So you just need to put someone strong in the middle to act as a leader (Lucy maybe) and you keep everyone under control. Pretty much what current society is

Originally Posted by Jujubee

I have a question for those who watched the anime. What scenes in it angered you the most?

Not angered, but I found Mariko's death quite disturbing. I really wanted something better for her...

[Gono]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

Spoiler for manga:

It doesn't say for sure, but his daughter, Nyu, in the ten year after scene looks the same as child Yuka looked in Lucy's flashback memories of the festival.

Maybe the daughter is some kind of hornless tri-brid O.o

[PastPrime]

On the diclonius not being able live together and create a civilization, I would say that, for the most part, people are comparing apples and oranges. The vector virus diclonius are not relevant to that discussion because they were created through the personality that was the voice that always told Lucy to kill, and they carried that personality with them. Also, while they might have had teenager or adult bodies, they still had children's minds. The oldest would have only been 8 years old at the end of the manga and Mariko was 5. And using Mariko as proof doesn't make any sense at all since she was raised in that big tank with basically no human interaction. Only that one female technician talking to her over an intercom system and telling her that her father tried to kill her. It is a credit to Kurama that 6 year old Nana was as normal as she was.

The only real reference is Lucy, prior to the bully's beating her dog to death and pushing her past the breaking point. Up until then she seemed very stable. It appeared to me that, had that not happened, she would have continued to put up with their abuse, especially after she met Kouta. If that had not happened she would have had nothing to hide from Kouta and, after hearing how she was treated, he would have tried to get his father or Yuka's family to adopt her, and if that failed he would have helped her to run away and return to his home with him. And, in the manga, there is some indication that Lucy might have had older diclonius siblings. If that is true then they obviously got along with normal humans since all the vector virus diclonius were born around where Lucy was living.

In fact, I suspect that Lucy's father and siblings lived in the same part of Japan as Kouta and, had Lucy gone with Kouta she would have eventually found her family which had probably been told that she and her mother had been killed in some kind of accident.

[XionComrade]

They deleted the music box thread, I think this is what I was supposed to do...

http://www.liliumproject.com/

Did you guys know that these guys are putting together the Elfen Lied Music box? So far they have the motors, the little thing that makes the song go, its 23 note and here is a sound clip...http://www.liliumproject.com/mediabox.htm

Just click on Audio Clips...The one called Lilium Music Box is the original from the show, the Sankyo Audio Sample is the thing that Sankyo has made for the project, the music motor thingy! Pretty neat eh!!! After they get through with the motor I think they want to have a box put into motion.

[slayer]

Originally Posted by XionComrade

They deleted the music box thread, I think this is what I was supposed to do...

http://www.liliumproject.com/

Did you guys know that these guys are putting together the Elfen Lied Music box? So far they have the motors, the little thing that makes the song go, its 23 note and here is a sound clip...http://www.liliumproject.com/mediabox.htm

Just click on Audio Clips...The one called Lilium Music Box is the original from the show, the Sankyo Audio Sample is the thing that Sankyo has made for the project, the music motor thingy! Pretty neat eh!!! After they get through with the motor I think they want to have a box put into motion.

very good find!

man, I almost forgot about this series.. it's been too long since.. like 3 years ago...

[felix]

Originally Posted by slayer

man, I almost forgot about this series.. it's been too long since.. like 3 years ago...

More like 5 years ago...

[straferd]

Elfen Lied is one of few series that will always have a place in my heart.

[Mazryonh]

If you can get past the odd art style (I don't think the character designs are that good-looking, actually), the flagrant nudity, and the casual brutality in this show, then you're in for a beautiful story of unrequited love, the torment of living with something you can't take back, and haunting questions of what makes men (or their mutant offspring) into monsters.

The OP themesong is hauntingly beautiful, and the moment when Lucy and Kouta embrace after her confession of pain, thereby fulfilling the position she takes in the OP when hugging a faceless statue (only now she's embracing Kouta), is one of my favourite anime moments of all time.

A wrenchingly beautiful show about how one lost soul clings to, and rediscovers, her humanity.

[Zwei]

Originally Posted by Mazryonh

If you can get past the odd art style (I don't think the character designs are that good-looking, actually), the flagrant nudity, and the casual brutality in this show

HUH?!

Isn't that what made the show for what it is?

Besides, the art is fantastic, especially if you compare it to the shitty animation we keep getting nowadays.

Lucy. <3

Originally Posted by Cats

More like 5 years ago...

I think he was mentioning the fact that he watched it 3 years ago.

[roriconfan]

Originally Posted by Zwei

HUH?! Isn't that what made the show for what it is?

Yup, no matter how good the story would be, nobody would care if it weren't for the soft porn and the hard gore.
...That's casual anime fans for you...

[Zwei]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

Yup, no matter how good the story would be, nobody would care if it weren't for the soft porn and the hard gore.
...That's casual anime fans for you...

Responding to this casual troll post, I was merely speaking in general and I was talking about the fact what made it so popular.

[roriconfan]

And what did I say?

[XionComrade]

Lol I think he took the "That's casual anime fans for you!" as a troll lol

I think this is a good time to bring up one of my old topics back when I didn't know what I was doing...

Spoiler:

Did anyone else notice that the overall story of Elfen Lied carried a similar moral purpose to Blue Submarine number 6?

In Blue submarine the whole reason the two sides are at war is because humans(IE us) refused to live with Zorndyke's hybrids, all in all just because they looked so different, and the humans were willing to destroy the world to rid if of them, even though the hybrids were just humans too. IOW Racism is bad Mmmkay, you should never judge someone by how they look, but that is the story of why we look like we do today, and a big part of mankind's entire story...

In Elfen Lied throughout the entire series you hear the scientists talking about the diclonius being "Born To kill", Merciless killers that will even kill their own parents without second thought, incapable of emotion or compassion. All of which, it turns out by the end, was lies, propaganda started by Kakuzawa to help his workers justify killing the infants.
It seems to me that he did it so that he would be able to keep track of all the diclonius births in the world, down to one real diclonius so he could have her start up the entire race and take over, thinking that since all the diclonius were his children he would rule the world...lol

At the start of Lucy's story, she has nothing, her parents I hear were kidnapped by Kakuzawa or just right out abandoned her, all of her friends betray her, and everyone else hates her for having horns, be sort of like hating someone for having a certain eyecolor their...ridiculous! She is abused throughout her life, like the rest of the diclonius severely tortured throughout their entire lives even before entering the lab. That is why they feel the need to kill, Nurture, not nature. They feel they have no place on earth because everyone they encounter tortures, kills, and torments them for such minor things. In the end the remainders find a home with Kouta, everyone lives happily ever after In the anime anyway...

[roriconfan]

Originally Posted by XionComrade

Lol I think he took the "That's casual anime fans for you!" as a troll lol

Meh, same story all the time. You say newbie or casual and most think you are making fun of their mothers. Like saying to a boy he is a kid. These terms have no negative aspect besides the one given by those who take it as a personal attack by projeting or identifing with a given issue.
...or something like that; I'm not that good at this.

Originally Posted by XionComrade

I think this is a good time to bring up one of my old topics back when I didn't know what I was doing...

Spoiler:

Did anyone else notice that the overall story of Elfen Lied carried a similar moral purpose to Blue Submarine number 6?

In Blue submarine the whole reason the two sides are at war is because humans(IE us) refused to live with Zorndyke's hybrids, all in all just because they looked so different, and the humans were willing to destroy the world to rid if of them, even though the hybrids were just humans too. IOW Racism is bad Mmmkay, you should never judge someone by how they look, but that is the story of why we look like we do today, and a big part of mankind's entire story...

In Elfen Lied throughout the entire series you hear the scientists talking about the diclonius being "Born To kill", Merciless killers that will even kill their own parents without second thought, incapable of emotion or compassion. All of which, it turns out by the end, was lies, propaganda started by Kakuzawa to help his workers justify killing the infants.
It seems to me that he did it so that he would be able to keep track of all the diclonius births in the world, down to one real diclonius so he could have her start up the entire race and take over, thinking that since all the diclonius were his children he would rule the world...lol

At the start of Lucy's story, she has nothing, her parents I hear were kidnapped by Kakuzawa or just right out abandoned her, all of her friends betray her, and everyone else hates her for having horns, be sort of like hating someone for having a certain eyecolor their...ridiculous! She is abused throughout her life, like the rest of the diclonius severely tortured throughout their entire lives even before entering the lab. That is why they feel the need to kill, Nurture, not nature. They feel they have no place on earth because everyone they encounter tortures, kills, and torments them for such minor things. In the end the remainders find a home with Kouta, everyone lives happily ever after In the anime anyway...

Has anyone noticed how similar Elfen Lied and Chi's Sweet Home are? Both have characters with two eyes and one mouth...
Although I love comparing anime elements, this is an overkill. You should never try to see it deeper than even the makers themselves did. Both series were pseudo-serious; leave it there. The opposite is also wrong of course; I just lol when someone didn't like series like NGE because he didn't get it or because the lead was spineless and misses all the rest.

[XionComrade]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

Meh, same story all the time. You say newbie or casual and most think you are making fun of their mothers. Like saying to a boy he is a kid. These terms have no negative aspect besides the one given by those who take it as a personal attack by projeting or identifing with a given issue.
...or something like that; I'm not that good at this.



Has anyone noticed how similar Elfen Lied and Chi's Sweet Home are? Both have characters with two eyes and one mouth...
Although I love comparing anime elements, this is an overkill. You should never try to see it deeper than even the makers themselves did. Both series were pseudo-serious; leave it there. The opposite is also wrong of course; I just lol when someone didn't like series like NGE because he didn't get it or because the lead was spineless and misses all the rest.

Yeah one time someone said to me "Hey, ya know what's the matter with the world today? Noone has a sense of humor anymore...." So true!

Im just having fun