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Perfect 10 | 44 | 51.16% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 25.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 12.79% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 6.98% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.16% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-02-20, 15:51 | Link #241 | |
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2013-02-20, 16:15 | Link #242 | ||
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.... That came out wrong. .... Politicians are usually not that corrupt. .... That came out wrong as well. .... Well they're not like politicians in any way! |
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It's like some guy got tortured to death by a nutso (which happens IRL), and you go "it's too bad, but, you know, he was just a sheeple. I mean, he had potential like everyone, but he decided to follow the rails laid for him when he took over the family business, abided by the law, and paid his taxes. Not only that, but he never fought in his life, so of course he wasn't able to overpower his better armed and better trained attacker. So, really, nothing of value was lost". Quote:
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2013-02-20, 18:12 | Link #244 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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See, that's the thing most other people have problems with. The selection process doesn't just pick sociopaths with lack of empathy...it selects for sociopaths who lack empathy who are actively engaging in criminal activity.
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2013-02-20, 18:27 | Link #245 | |
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But see, I'm just not convinced that this is truly the case. Nowhere has it been stated explicitly that this was the case. So far, we've had Makishima and Touma, but is such an incidental relation really representative of the members of the collective? Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree on this, but I really am not seeing it.
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2013-02-20, 19:44 | Link #246 | |
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Sybil is HUMAN. The committee decide what they think is the best minds. But that has nothing to do with whether it is any good. Politicians appoint ministers who are suppose to be the best and brightest, but it's hit or miss. There is no reason to believe Sybil is any better at picking new members than any other government. The people who make choices are still human. Sybil does NOT make perfect decisions. That's just propaganda.
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2013-02-20, 19:44 | Link #247 | |
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regarding how the sibyl actually works, during the touma talk it was mentioned that at least 200 of the 247 brains have to be "in session" to keep the system running, has anyone expanded yet on what "in session" may mean? that brings other questions, like: how much are the brains conscious while being in session? how much of their brain is busy with machinelike calculations? are they using more of the famous 10% of brain potential? given they're only 200 and they've to analize datas about likely some millions of people (according to the nation's population), it seems unlikely for them to treat it like a common paperwork (using the comparison in case they weren't brains but people with bodies), using the brains as calculation resources was highlighted as one of the reasons allowing a system like that to exist, which with computers alone wouldn't be able to manage the size of data to analyze what do the brains not "in session" do in the while? sleep? talk between each other? one we know has to take care to impersonate the chief, but the others?(46 left) do they have spare chief bodies, or just faceless bodies to get in to have a walk? or bodies shaped like common citizens to have a trip in the city? (doubt it, probably they just stay in their flask, as simple as they make it sound moving brains in and out of bodies shouldn't be an easy thing) and other minor questions not really important how much does a session last? how often do they switch with someone not in service? currently i'm imagining the system working somehow like this: where the brains have 2 roles: (only in the calculation of the psycho-pass) -being sample/reference material to use during the psycho-pass calculation -being calculation resources to do the actual calculations |
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2013-02-20, 19:53 | Link #249 |
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You say they recruit the best minds. That's wishful thinking. Every government everywhere tries to recruit the best minds. There is a difference between wanting the best minds and actually getting them.
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2013-02-20, 20:01 | Link #250 | |
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Obviously, I'm not saying that their selection procedure is perfect, but it's not entirely farfetched to narrow down the experts in nearly every given field and create a committee out of them, especially in a setting where mind reading is possible. What I find amusing about about Sybil isn't necessarily it's accuracy or perfection, but rather the sheer scope of its perspective. That goes even more if long-winded discussions and arguments that usually take hours to resolve, can be done in the span of mere moments.
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2013-02-20, 20:33 | Link #251 | |
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2013-02-20, 20:37 | Link #252 | |
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2013-02-20, 20:43 | Link #253 | |
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Seriously though, what do you think the governments in real life do all day? You think they don't hire experts from a diverse background? And had wannabe visionaries? The people in Sybil are PEOPLE. They are not superhuman. There is no reason to claim the people selected by Sybil are superior to what would normally be hired in government positions. Because the selectors are human, it means it is no different from real life job interviews and vetting processes. Quite aside from the fact that they hire literal psychos, there is no evidence it is even that efficient. The only thing they had to speed things up is absolute power, which any run of the mill despot had too.
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2013-02-20, 20:48 | Link #254 | |
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2013-02-20, 20:57 | Link #255 | |
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And Experts who make decisions become Bureaucrats. My point stands. I don't understand your faith in the Sybil system when it is nothing new. If anything it is like the Wizard of Oz, an old man hiding behind a curtain while the gizmos and contraptions hides what is really going on. Instead of the old cyberpunk of finding out the leader is a computer, we have the computer ended up being humans in disguise.
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2013-02-20, 21:06 | Link #256 | |||
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Really Qilin. I think you're rather dramatically overstating the intellectual importance in somebody not having empathy. Quote:
You won't catch Asymptomatic latent criminals for their taste of music. They'll just get scanned as healthy and ignored. An Asymptomatic individual basically needs to do something to REALLY rock the boat in order for his status as an Asymptomatic criminal to get noticed. Quote:
Really. How much more blatant did that scene with Touma and Makishima have to be convey the idea that "Sybil system is run by serial killers"? Where Touma, the representative of the collective, is made to come off as creepy and psycho as hell what with her crazy eyes? Did touma need to start talking like this?
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2013-02-20, 21:19 | Link #257 | ||
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Remember how Makishima brought up Gulliver's Travels and Balnibarbi's doctor? The doctor came up with a way for politicians with conflicting opinions to reconcile with one another, which is to cut people's brains in half and stick them together. "Once that is done successfully they could 'produce that moderation as well as regularity of thinking.'" Though there is a bit of mocking derision in what Makishima is getting at (It's not an attractive fate for the people involved), the point is that this is like a collective conscience of individuals. All their expertise, knowledge, and wisdom is melded together to create a single entity which possesses greater thought capacity than any lone individual. Every additional person who is added into the system only makes Sibyl more perfect, moreso if that given person is unique enough such that Sibyl cannot already think like that individual. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 05:54 | Link #259 | |||
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Just to note, I was simply indicating how the selection process of Sybil was more efficient than that of an ordinary government. As for Sybil itself, it's pretty much an aristocracy, only with faster decision-making capabilities. The idea of aristocracy dates back to the time of the Greeks, so it's definitely nothing new, nor did I imply such. All I'm saying is that particular governments are better for different contexts. There is no absolute "best" method of governance out there. Quote:
All I said was that lack of empathy can either be a result of biological or cognitive factors, though there's no way of telling which it is for Makishima just yet. Quote:
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