2008-12-23, 07:05 | Link #1381 |
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I was atheist until I discovered my new religion... now I addore the flying spaghetti monster
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2008-12-23, 13:19 | Link #1383 | |
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Just think, in a few years, Pastafarianism will be as popular and widespread as Scientology. And that will take the place of mormanism..... |
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2008-12-23, 20:12 | Link #1384 | |
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2008-12-23, 20:31 | Link #1385 | |
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Creation, Morals, and afterlife...... That's how I look at religions, at least. |
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2008-12-23, 21:10 | Link #1386 |
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Well you don't need an afterlife for something to be a religion as there are plenty that have no beliefs in afterlife. Religion is basically just a set of beliefs concerning the purpose and workings of the universe.
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2008-12-23, 21:38 | Link #1388 |
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While I myself don't have a firm belief in religion I can't argue the fact that it teaches people good morals(in most cases), but there have been plenty of negativity that has come from religion. More so due to the way certain people have used it.
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2008-12-24, 02:37 | Link #1391 |
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I think this is quite interesting, fortunately I don't really believe in pastafarism but what happened if I really had believed on it? "My religion" has been attacked 2 times it's pretty funny to see all those so-called morale defenders and as much tolerant, sincerely, how do you think first christians where seen by the ancient Romans? Just as a group of freaks that joined in catacombs for drinkins Christ blood and eating his flesh (And where I say christians put any other of the actual great religions).
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2008-12-24, 10:56 | Link #1392 | |
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I'm not a fan of the religious preachers, myself, but I can understand them. Imagine if you knew that the world was going to end and/or that judgement would come, but that there was a way for people to be saved. What do you do? Let everyone else flounder? Despite the fact that the religious doctrines more or less dictate that the faithful should disseminate the teachings and save everyone if they are to be considered faithful, I think most of us would simply want to help/save everyone out of instinct ("the goodness of your heart"). How do you do it? How do you tell people that they're doomed or that the world is going to end in such a manner that they'll believe it, and then inform them that there's a certain way that they can be saved? I don't think you can. Take a look at the debate over global climate change, which is backed by science. Better yet, take a look at research behind cigarettes and lung cancer. Despite factual evidence, some people still deny the data. Those who do accept it still accept their lot and do not make any effort to change things. It should technically be even more difficult for the religious groups to convert people over... although they don't seem to have any problem with recruiting members. Either way, I respect their desire to better others (assuming that's their real goal). It doesn't stop me from being at least slightly irked every time I have to push away pamphlets, though.
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2008-12-25, 03:08 | Link #1393 |
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I'm a Peter Singer-style Utilitarian.
Or you could say I'm a hella moralistic atheist. I don't believe in god, but I still believe smoking and drinking are a sin (yet fapping to lolicon is perfectly moral). |
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2008-12-25, 13:39 | Link #1395 | |
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Religion is simply there because man is mortal and fears death. So we create mystical beings to replace the fear of oblivion. Religion is actually liberating to the millions of followers, and as you get older, you see more people believing in it. It doesn't get any better. Why, as people get older, should they be more inclined to lean towards religion? The reason is simple: when you're young, it's easy to be atheist. But as you get older, the fear of oblivion far outweights anything so people tend to incorporate 'some' of the belief systems that they choose into their own psyche to deal with the fear of death. Is there anything wrong with this? Of course not. The problem is when you have kids who are brainwashed into thinking all they need to read is one book at so-called universities to receive an education. That's my problem with it. Any college that teaches dinosaurs are from 4000 years ago should be extinct themselves. |
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And they still exist today. If I travel to the inner provinces in my country, I can see hundreds of people gathering around local "healers" and "holy men", who take them in for their money, and with the power of autosuggestion they manipulate their followers in believing they actually hold some sort of mystical key missing in the common people. Which is nothing but bullshit, of course. And don't even get me started on the Catholic church and the temple to hypocrisy that is the Vatican. Quote:
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And there's nothing wrong with people who believe in nothing or other things, but yet a lot of people and insitutions take advantage of those people too. No need for a religion to take advantage of people. There are a lot of people/institutions who take advantage of the stupid people among the atheists' and from time to time use the concept of religion as if it was the root of evil by generalizing. As I read you, I feel you see the persons who believe in a religion as crazy, not free and close minded. You know my grandmother is catholic and never did something wrong to anyone. She was a good mother, and a good grandmother with us even if we don't share the same fervour to the religion. And don't tell me she is a rarity, many atheists are close minded and can't even see that a lot of religious person are nice and not some sort of dangerous missionaries |
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2008-12-25, 19:58 | Link #1398 | |
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1 /sɪn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sin] Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, sinned, sin⋅ning. –noun 1. transgression of divine law: the sin of Adam. 2. any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious ormoral principle. 3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It's a sin to waste time. (But that's just arguing semantics) Also, we already punish drinkers of absinthe and smokers of marijuna by means of the law, so I don't see what's so odd about that. Though just becase you believe something is morally wrong doesn't mean you automatically mean you believe it should be legally wrong. (for example, the many American Christians who consider it a sin to blaspheme the name of the lord, but obviously wouldn't suggest that become actual law.) Of course, my own moral beliefs shouldn't be the single determinant of the law. |
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2008-12-25, 20:35 | Link #1399 | |
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I'm Tenrikyo Buddhist, in case anyone cares.
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I said those who are given power within the religious circle (for instance, the whole clerical organization when talking about Christianity) are the ones taking advantage of the rest. Quote:
However, we cannot exclude the fact that thinking for yourself in many cases leads to atheism (yeah, the illusion of thinking for oneself, yada yada yada--I'm not saying we actually think by ourselves, I'm just saying we have a wider array of tools with which to interpret the world around us). And I believe thinking for oneself is, in general terms, a good thing. Quote:
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